Talk:Christmas dinner

Dinner in Mexico

I guess dinner indeed varies with region but I frankly think the article is wrong. Tamales is a popular christmas dinner in the north of Mexico only. I can go to various corners on the streets to find menudo and pozole any day of the year, as well as tamales. But Bacalao and Romeritos I can only find in Christmas times. Romeritos and Bacalao have been eaten by both sides of family in every Christmas celebration always. At least since my 80 year old grandfather has memory. I don't know why Romeritos and Bacalao were omitted from this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.56.110.24 (talk) 21:07, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

First paragrpah

I have deleted the reference to turkey and Christmas crackers in the first paragraph because it duplicated the various descriptions that follow. I also am not sure what Christmas crackers are. If they are a British dish they should probably go under the appropriate subheading.

JPSheridan (talk) 16:34, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

It is a bit of a shame to delete Christmas crackers. They are not a dish. They are paper tubes that two people tug the ends of until they break. Inside is a paper hat, a joke and a small gift. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.155.194.106 (talk) 21:53, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

"peacock?"

Peacock in Medieval England for Christmas? A peahen is an Asiatic bird. If this is supposed to mean a pheasant, specify it as such. "Peacock" generally refers to the Indian variety with the nice feathers. -Jackmont, Dec 24 2006.

Europe has had trade and imported fauna for millennia. See also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peafowl#Gastronomy. 94.30.84.71 (talk) 18:29, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

The court were indeed eating peacock at medieval banquets - they would be cooked and dressed up again to make them look like they were fire breathing as they were brought to the table91.125.149.237 (talk) 10:36, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

Christmas Foods around the World

Needs more information on Christmas foods around the world. Bastie 05:12, 16 May 2006 (UTC) Doesnt say how this tradition has come about

I expanded it with info about 5 nations. I wanted to detail France's traditions as well, but found no real good sources for it. France, Italy, and Russian Christmas dinners are missing. Those three nations are very important. Aaрон Кинни (t) 17:58, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

chistmas

christmas in england —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.190.227.254 (talk) 07:44, 14 December 2006 (UTC).

Added information regarding Christmas food in France and traditions. Simply, this section contained one topic with general information and I felt it could use more information about Christmas dinner/food traditions in France. With the addition of information regarding France Christmas traditions with food and dinner in particular, it adds some variety. Seandemps (talk) 17:56, 8 November 2019 (UTC)

why is more than half of the French part about Christkindelsmarik rather than Christmas Dinner? Clausagerskov (talk) 11:04, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Wha?

Many Christmas customs that take place in the United States have been adopted from those in the United Kingdom.[4] As such, the mainstays of the English table are much the same in the United States; cranberry sauce, turkey, stuffing, pumpkin pie, and green beans are all very common. This conflicts a little/lot with this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christmas_dishes#United_Kingdom.2F_Ireland I'm especially suspicious of the cranberry and pumpkin allegations. ;) Can someone English weigh in? Thanks. jengod 21:24, 15 December 2006 (UTC) The pumpkin pie and green beans part is not true for England. --APW 11:16, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Irish, not English, but drug-up proper-like in Englandshire. The author of that part of the article had been smoking the good stuff. Cranberry sauce is barely available even now (and I'm not sure that anyone would know what to do with it if it did turn up) ; turkey I can't recall having seen before about 1990 (by when I'd stopped participating in the mock-religious event), though I'm sure it was available if you had some reason to look ; having a lot of Americans in this area, turkey is a common but by no means unavoidable part of the oil-industry's food out on the rigs. A beef roast is a common alternative. Pumpkin? That's almost impossible to get outside the couple of weeks run up to the [Halloween|Salem-trials celebrations] at the end of October, and I can't recall anyone outside my family who has ever eaten one (though other exotic squashes are getting more common). Aidan Karley (talk) 07:17, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

I can think of a few customs that are observed in Britain and some mroe recent former colonies but not in the United States: Christmas mince pies and plum pudding are not normally eaten in America except by cultural Anglophiles, and turkey is not as essential to American Christmas tables as during the Thanksgiving. The Christmas dinner habits in the US has diverged from Britain far more than, say, New Zealand because of it being independently developed for 230 years vis-a-vis 60 years, a majority of Caucasian/white populations not being British or Irish in descents, and these British customs developed after the US already became independent. Still, the American customs probably remain relatively close to British than, for example, French customs.--JNZ (talk) 19:49, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Turkey, pumpkins and cranberries are all AMERICAN in origin. Therefore, Americans do not emulate the English by using these as part of their Christmas meal. Is there no end to English claims of inventing EVERYTHING? --216.39.232.190 (talk) 14:38, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

I am old enough to remember when we always had chicken for Christmas dinnner, and turkey was quite unheard of. Chicken was expensive in those days, we did not eat it for the rest of the year. I do not think that the writer of the oringial article was British given the msitakes about cranberry sauce etc so it is not fair to accuse the Brits of pretendng to have invented everything. (Brent Pigeon February 2010) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.155.194.106 (talk) 22:02, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

"Northern Englanders" ?

The article claims that these strangely named people (no one from England is called an Englander except by Nazis in old war comics!) commonly eat a standing rib roast, with Yorkshire Pudding. As a northerner myself, I have never even heard the term standing rib roast and I've also never heard of anyone having it for Christmas dinner. Northerners have the same Christmas dinner as Southerners. I have removed this bit from the article. --APW 11:16, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Australia

Firstly, I edited the page to change 'boar' to 'ham'. The edit has been changed back to 'boar' for some reason. I live in Australia and I have never referred to it as boar. What I am presuming what was meant was either ham or roast pork, more than likely ham as roast pork is not normally eaten cold. Both words (pork and ham) are used in the article so I am curious why the edit was changed back. As previously mentioned, the word boar is NOT used in Australia to refer to either meat and leaving it as boar is not descriptive enough - is it roast pork or ham?

Secondly, pavlova. Yes, berries are widely used as an ingredient. However, other usual ingredients are other fruits such as banana, kiwifruit etc. In fact, instead of berries, it would be more correct to say 'fruit atop'.

Please note (from the wikipedia article on Pavlova) Pavlova is traditionally decorated with a topping of whipped cream and fresh fruit of sweet/tart flavours, such as strawberries and kiwifruit, or passionfruit and banana or berries and peach slices Kimberlina wiki (talk) 11:28, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Christmas dinner in india

There is a christmas dinner in my country india they are Roast duck,roast chicken,fruit cake and plum cake. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Belrien12 (talk • contribs) 13:05, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Slovakia

The article states that the Slovakian Christmas Dinner was voted the best ever and that Slovakia is famous for its cuisine. Maybe so. But I'm going to have to request references for this. Who voted it best ever? Where was this published? Were we told that it's famous in case we had never heard of it before? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.19.63.164 (talk) 01:16, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

I took out the Slovak Christmas is the best bit, which was opinionated and not backed up. I also couldn't find any online mention of worldwide admiration of Slovak Christmases, no offense to our friends in Slovakia. I did find a very good recipe for mushroom soup and potato salad through! Pumpkin888 (talk) 20:06, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Christmas dinner in Germany

I have changed "macaroni salad" to the mode general "pasta salad". While pasta salads are common as a sidedish on christmas, all kinds of pasta are used and some (fusilli, penne) are much more popular in Germany. Sorry, I cannot give a good source for this, other that I come from Germany and know the traditions from three different regions from my own experiences. Seeing that the original source for the macaroni salad is a trivia section from a rather fishy looking website, I suppose the original source is not much better. Ask any German if "Nudelsalat und Heißwürstchen" is a typical Christmas dinner and they will answer "yes", ask about "Makkaronisalat" and they will be confused that you would make salad from macaroni. 130.180.3.243 (talk) 20:14, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

Christmas dinner in the United Kingdom

The section is poorly written and poorly referenced. Attempts to improve and re write are being denied for whatever reason. The meal described is very basic and I could refute some of the ingredients particularly the choice of vegetables. A separate section is need for Roast Goose as this has separate accompanying food such as red cabbage and apples. I am in the minority but to my recollection I have never had roast turkey for Christmas lunch, our family rearing a goose for the table. Until recently there was no mention of what you would drink with this meal. Could the good, self appointed guardians of this entry improve the section. A suggestion would include a description of how the sauce (gravy) originates would inform the reader. The reference to Dickens is correct but selective. Kratchit had bought his family a goose but it was not big enough to provide an adequate meal. Turkey was too expensive for most Victorian families until very late in the century. Dorkinglad (talk) 19:20, 23 December 2013 (UTC)dorkinglad (talkDorkinglad (talk) 19:20, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

This is so ill informed – England didn't have a colony on mainland America until 1607, so how could Henry VIII have had Turkey for Christmas?! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.161.231.226 (talk) 12:31, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

@the above commenter - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey_%28bird%29#History_and_naming "When Europeans first encountered turkeys in America, they incorrectly identified the birds as a type of guineafowl – i.e., as members of a group of birds which were thought to typically come from the country of Turkey. The name of the North American bird thus became "turkey fowl", which was then shortened to just "turkey".[3][4][5] In 1550, the English navigator William Strickland, who had introduced the turkey into England, was granted a coat of arms including a "turkey-cock in his pride proper".[6]

The birds came to England via merchant ships from the Middle East where they were domesticated successfully. These merchants were called “Turkey merchants” as much of the area was part of the Ottoman Empire. Hence the name “Turkey birds” or, soon thereafter, “turkeys”.[7] William Shakespeare used the term in Twelfth Night,[8] believed to be written in 1601 or 1602. The lack of context around his usage suggests that the term had widespread reach." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.165.187.148 (talk) 15:10, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

Peacock etc

Hi MarnetteD, I wonder if you would reconsider reverting back to my edit. The version you've restored implies use of peacock or boar throughout the middle ages was common, plus I can't find mention of it in the source provided. I think my edit was an improvement. --Hillbillyholiday ^talk 20:37, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

Ah jeepers I read the edits backwards Hillbillyholiday I thought that had been added not subtracted. My apologies. MarnetteD|Talk 20:40, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

No worries! Of course, being a po' hillbilly I shant be feasting on peacock this year, probably just some rock hard spuds and a Christmas pudding covered with vodka margarine and fire-extinguisher foam. [1]--Hillbillyholiday ^talk 20:46, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

Yowza what a meal :-) Whenever I see peacock referred to as a meal my mind envisions hummmingbird tongue tarts as the dessert. I think Monty Python's Life of Brian put that thought there and I wont ever remove it. Cheers and make sure not to singe your eyebrows cause that smell takes forever to leave the room. HeeHee MarnetteD|Talk 20:53, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 10 December 2019

i would like to add and submit more stuff about individual foods as a whole Joe.Birt10 (talk) 10:35, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

Joe.Birt10, you can suggest additions here on this talk page on the form "please change X to Y". – Thjarkur (talk) 11:50, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

History of Christmas dinner

Is it from the feast day if Saint Nicholas? 2603:9000:1F13:5D77:E168:CDAA:7312:86C5 (talk) 07:57, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

removal of content

@Iceblink, these look like usable sources, what was your objection? Valereee (talk) 14:14, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

Ditto this similar removal. Valereee (talk) 14:17, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

United States

...as well as more recent influence from Latin American regions like Florida and the Caribbean.[39]'

Florida is not part of Latin America, nor is it a Latin American 'region'. I think what this is trying to say, is Florida has a large Latin American population which has influenced the meal in the United States. 57.135.233.22 (talk) 01:09, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

I've removed the entire paragraph. The single source supplied made no reference to Latin American cuisine. Barry Wom (talk) 09:37, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

Christmas Dinner in the UK deserves its own article

Christmas dinner in the UK is a REALLY big deal 2A00:23C7:5AD0:8F01:D39C:BFCD:C7F9:7A6 (talk) 21:38, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

If you think there is sufficient material, there is nothing to stop you writing one and submitting it in the usual way for new articles.Ponsonby100 (talk) 08:58, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Please include Yorkshire puddings

Yorkshire puddings are a common and unique staple of the UK Christmas dinner and should be included in the list of components. Dorgesh (talk) 03:15, 24 December 2023 (UTC)