Talk:Chokmah
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editChokmah is the highest of the sephirot attainable by mortals, King Solomon is the most obvious example in the Hebrew Bible of a man whose wisdom brought him closer to God.
Balderdash [1]. "Chokmah" (why is that word spelled like that, by the way?) is not the highest s'firah attainable by mortals. Let's take a look at Exodus (35:30-31), shall we?
- "And Moses said to the Children of Israel: See, God has called by name B'tzalel son of Uri son of Chur from the tribe of Judah. And He (God) has filled him (B'tzalel) with Godly spirit in Chochmah, in T'vunah (Binah), and in Da'at, and in all work.
This is one of the myriad examples of people in the Bible with more than "Chokma".
P.S. Even King Solomon had "Chokmah" and Binah. Let's look at Kings I (3:12):
- "... [B]ehold, I have given you a wise (Chochom, indicating "Chokmah) and understanding (Navon, indicating Binah) heart."
Where's the scholarship??? HKT 21:42, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
Proper letters
editThe official, proffesional transliteration rules state the word should b written "Chochma". Also note thta inner.org, the linked website below use that form also. I therefor think it would be proper to change this article's name to Chochma - and autoreffaring all links to this name to the proper name. XonoX 01:31, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
The variant spellings above indicates the problems of not simply using English. "Wisdom" is still wisdom when its written in a another language.
As per note on Talk:Chokhmah this should be en.wikipedia not he.wiktionary. Why isn't this article entitled Wisdom in Kabbalah or some other title in accordance with Wikipedia guidelines? cf.
Chokamah
editIs this the holy spirits name? Clareatha (talk) 15:54, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
Copyright violations
editI had to remove around 5 or 6 paragraphs of text that had been copied mostly verbatim from two different websites: chabad.org and inner.org, which are listed in External links. Skyerise (talk) 09:43, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
Requested move 26 July 2024
edit- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: not moved. (non-admin closure) RodRabelo7 (talk) 02:17, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
Chokmah → hokhma – A quick google search after I saw it had been moved to a misspelled page showed that overwhelmingly, hokhma is the spelling. Chokmah has 700 results, https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=40000007&q=judaism+AND+chokmah&btnG= while Hokhma has 3600+ https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=40000007&q=judaism+AND+hokhma&btnG= Ogress 19:23, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. Google search Chokmah -wikipedia (273,000 Ghits) vs hokhma -wikipedia (116,000 Ghits). It doesn't seem proper to add Judaism to the search string, as the article also covers Christian and Hermetic Qabalah. Skyerise (talk) 19:51, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. In addition to the points noted above, 'chokmah' is vastly more attested than 'hokma' per Ngram. Sinclairian (talk) 19:52, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- You spelled it wrong: it's got a kh, which is why I am looking for a correction to the title. It's not spelled with a quf. Ogress 16:54, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- The article is currently titled "Chokmah", so no, I didn't. Either way, 'chokmah' still beats 'hokhma' and 'chokhmah' by a wide margin. Sinclairian (talk) 17:16, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Quf is generally transliterated into English as 'q', (e.g. Qabalah, Qlippoth) so there is no reason for confusion. The page title is not misspelled, it is simply the most common transliteration of perhaps half-a-dozen variant transliterations. In such a case, we should follow WP:COMMONNAME. Skyerise (talk) 11:15, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- You spelled it wrong: it's got a kh, which is why I am looking for a correction to the title. It's not spelled with a quf. Ogress 16:54, 27 July 2024 (UTC)