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Latest comment: 16 years ago12 comments3 people in discussion
As an aircraft article, this page falls under the Wikipedia Aircraft Project. The project has guidlines for aircraft article at WP:AIR Page content Guidelines, which give a suggested format for aircraft articles. While these are just suggestions, following the guidleines does have an affect on whether or not the article can achieve a higher status. This is especially important as this page is currently rated as "Start Class", the second lowest class, just above a "Stub". In addition, these guidelines are an attempt to standardize presentation in the vairous aircraft ariticle, for the ease of both readers and editors.
While Wikipedia in general has guidelines for articles, projects are allowed to have their own guidelines which suit their particular needs. It is very disruptive to attempt to change an article solely because it does not follow the general guidelines, but while it is following those of the project. Please refrain from such disruptions in the future. If there is a particular reason that this page should depart from WP:AIR's guidelines, in whole or in part, please discuss them here, and build a consensus to have the article's format changed before attempting further changes. Thanks. - BillCJ 03:51, 17 June 2007 (UTC)Reply
Note: I took great care not to revert the productive chages made atthe same time as the reformatting. ANy change beyond the re-ordering was inadvertant. - BillCJ 03:54, 17 June 2007 (UTC)Reply
I'm so sorry about all of the work you had to do to "fix" that. That must be very stressful for you. I must admit, though, that I found the addition of the heading 'See also' for the footer amusing, as it is already has bold, centered headings and is enclosed by boxes. "Related content" violates our own style manual, and "Operators" and "Operational service" are the same subject and clutter the table of contents.--Gnfgb2 05:18, 17 June 2007 (UTC)Reply
The MOS is a guideline, and it's not mandatory for all projects. Have you even bothered to check the WP:AIR/PC guidelines? Whlie I don't necessarily like the layout of the "Operational service" section, there seem to be no other way to do it at this time. Oh, the usual title is "Operational history"; thanks for pointing ou the erro to me. Also, "taking great care" and "hard work" are not synonomous, nor was the process stressful. I was just trying to be courteous, as the other option was to revert your disruptive edits wholesale. Given your apparent sarcasm, it was obviously a waste of effort on you.
If you disagree with the layout I am using, please take it up at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Aircraft. Please do not continue to disrupt this page until you have gained a consensus from the project to do so. Thanks. - BillCJ 06:08, 17 June 2007 (UTC)Reply
No, I haven't, because the consensus of the project can be found at the "Manual of Style" page, and publications cannot have radically different styles for each of their entries. (See Merriam-Webster's Manual for Writer's and Editors for more information.) Canvassing is also against Wikipedia policy, by the way. Your initial edit summary is what really set the sarcastic tone for our discussion. Nevertheless, Rlandmann's version seems like an acceptable compromise.--Gnfgb2 07:07, 17 June 2007 (UTC)Reply
Asking a project to enforce its own guidelines is not canvassing, which is itself a guidline btw, not policy. We have had to deal with overzealous editors try to disrupt articles before, and I'm sure we will again. If you feel that WP:AIR's guidelines are against Wiki's MOS, then take up the issue with the project and Wikipedia, and stop trying to fight the battle here. And I stand by my initaial assertion that the article layout was not broke, and therefore does not need fixing, and that I was stating fact, not being sarcastic. Also, every project has different styles for many things such as infoboxes and templates. Are you going to try to get WP:AIR's templates changed too? - BillCJ 07:37, 17 June 2007 (UTC)Reply
I've separated out the "Operators" section again, and limited the prose section to combat (only 2 items removed) as the "Combat history" section, as is sometimes done in combat aircraft articles. Again, I still don't like separate sub-headings for each country, but this seems the best way to do it for now. I do hope this compromise will work for you. - BillCJ 07:54, 17 June 2007 (UTC)Reply
Actually, an alternative would be to remove the national sub-headings,a nd try to place them in chronological order. Much of that section is unsourced anyway, and it may be hard to determine the dates from what is in the text. It's definitely something that needs work. - BillCJ 08:06, 17 June 2007 (UTC)Reply
Changing the heading to 'Combat history' makes the article less informative. I don't see any reason to do it.--Gnfgb2 08:12, 17 June 2007 (UTC)Reply
I didn't expect you would, but I had to try a compromise anyway. I'm going to leave this be for now, as no one in WP:AIR seems inclined to back me up on this. I guess it's not that big a deal to them. If you're satisfied with this being a start-class article, so be it. This format will confuse some of our regular aircraft page readers, but the general article readers should do just fine, maybe. - BillCJ 18:05, 17 June 2007 (UTC)Reply
We can't say for sure who reads these types of articles. I've read other Wikipedia articles on MiGs, Sukhois, the F-14, etc., and was confused by the layout of this article. The table of contents was almost useless due to the three nearly identical sections: 'Operational history,' 'Variants,' and 'Operators.' For now, I've made some into subsections in order to unclutter the table of contents. The key factors for making this into a good article (according to Wikipedia‘s standards) will probably be polishing the prose and adding citations. This isn't personal. It's a matter of readability for me.--Gnfgb2 21:06, 17 June 2007 (UTC)Reply
Latest comment: 15 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion
It doesn't match up to the user's list. Most notably Sudan is not colored in. I am new, so I don't know how to change an image like that, but if somebody could that'd be great.
North_Korean_Air_Force#Aircraft_Inventory mentions 40 F-7 and 150 Mig-21. This page mentions 180 F-7 there. At least one of them is wrong - I suspect that page confuses J-7 and Mig-21, since the 180 number is suspiciously close to the total of the two.
Latest comment: 14 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion
This used to be a very good and interesting article written by someone who had taken his time to do some researchon the subject and who damn well allmost succeeded in clearing up the incredible amount of Chinese variants and sub-variants. Now it looks as though somebody with far less knowledge and a lot more fantasy has had it's way with the article. Especially everything that follows the subtitle 'F-7M Airguard' is an embarrasing heep of nonsense - reading something like '1980's Airguards with double-delta wings that are 40% more effective 'according to customer claims' is just plain painfull. Since the PAF and its obviously truly heroic pilots time and again come out as the inventors of efficiency I already have a feeling where all these needless 'contributions' came from. To the wonderfull little PAF-fan who blessed wikipedia with his tireless efforts I would like to say stop writing what you think/feel/would like to be real and try to look up some credible sources, or even better, leave this kind of articles to engineers or historians who do know what the words objective,scientific and unbiased mean. And stop embarassing yourself and the PAF while at it.
That's the sad thing about wikipedia - good articles destroy themselves. I consider these latest 'contributions' to be vandalism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.29.253.57 (talk) 00:10, 6 June 2009 (UTC)Reply
The history of the plane needs to be cleaned upedit
Latest comment: 14 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion
It looks like it is straight from a cultural revolution propaganda page, the information is probably correct but the style needs to be corrected. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.136.179.182 (talk) 08:15, 14 December 2009 (UTC)Reply
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Per WP:AIRMOS Lead Image of an aircraft article should contain the best possible view of the aircraft in flight. There are currently better images of the J7/F7 available on Commons which provide a better 3/4 view of the aircraft in flight which is better than a top-down view with a laughable caption.
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There is absolutely nothing wrong with the photo which you are edit warring to remove (i.e. , which clearly shows the aircraft's layout and nothing wrong with the caption.Nigel Ish (talk) 10:05, 1 December 2023 (UTC)Reply
The caption mentioned "PAF F-7 Jet" which is incorrect. Furthermore, it shows the jet from the top, an ideal image would be to show the jet from the 3/4 of the view as per the guidelines. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2404:3100:1443:5FB5:BC84:12FF:FED3:49E8 (talk) 04:08, 2 December 2023 (UTC)Reply
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