Talk:Charles Rumney Samson

Trans-Africa flight

The "Postwar" section includes the paragraph, "In June 1926 he became Chief Staff Officer of the RAF's, Middle East Command, and organized and led the first flight of an RAF formation over Africa from Cairo to the Cape of Good Hope, which involved setting up and supplying bases and surveying the unknown route. The flight in 1929-30, made by four Vickers Victoria F biplanes, was a success. He remained with the Middle East command until August 1927."

The timeline here is very unclear: Samson join ME Command in 1926, he left ME Command in 1927, but the trans-Africa flight he "organized and led" occurred in 1929-30. The following paragraph states that he resigned his commission in 1929. So how did he organize and lead this RAF flight?

I don't know whether this is a "citation needed" situation, or whether the writing is just unclear.Kelseymh (talk) 22:11, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

The flight was in September/October 1926 - added a reference from Flight. MilborneOne (talk) 22:28, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Oops sorry that was Cairo-Aden-Cairo still looking. MilborneOne (talk) 22:34, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

His obituary says he organised the flight but nothing in the London Times until a flight in December 1930 after Samson has left. It mentions In Central and South Africa troop-carriers have never been seen so it appears to be the first flight (under the command of Squadron Leader W.G.J Penderel) MilborneOne (talk) 22:45, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Hum an obituary in 1960 for Group Captain R.S. Maxwell says "In the late 1920s, as second-in-command to Air Commodore C.R. Samson, he took part in a notable flight from Cairo to the Cape and back, and in 1929 he was awarded the the AFC. MilborneOne (talk) 22:50, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Four Fairey IIID biplanes flew cairo-cape-cairo in 1926 and again in 1927 but cant find any mention of Samson. MilborneOne (talk) 23:12, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

OK Samson was in charge of the second flight of Fairey IIIFs of 47 Squadron and arrived in South Africa on 21 April 1927, it wasnt the first as it had been done in 1926 (by Wing Command Pulford). MilborneOne (talk) 23:26, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

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Date of May 1912 take off from ship underway

Other sources including the book Royal Flying Corps 1914-1918 give the date as occurring May 2, being reported on May 9 Thisdaytrivia (talk)

Cite journal error

This malformed {{Cite journal}} has no |journal= :

"... Lieutenant S. D. Culley, who was awarded the [[Military Cross]].<ref name='Chilton'> {{cite journal |last1=Chilton |first1=Air Marshal Sir Edward |author-link=Edward Chilton|title=John Cyril Porte (1884–1919) Naval Officer, Pilot and aircraft designer extraordinary}}</ref>

It only appears as an error in preview mode, which I noticed while making a brief edit.

This appears to refer to this item: Private Papers of Air Marshal Sir Edward Chilton KBE CB FRIN where Ts=Typescript. It's therefore an unpublished primary source, and can't be used. Anyway, most of the information appears in the next ref about Culley. Commons has a pic of the Camel N6812 in question. <ref>[[:File:Sopwith Camel at the Imperial War Museum.jpg]]</ref>

This same cite journal is also a main source of information in the John Cyril Porte article, see Talk:John Cyril Porte. MinorProphet (talk) 12:05, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

Changed to {{cite web}}. MinorProphet (talk) 15:47, 11 January 2024 (UTC)