Talk:Carl Zimmermann (politician)

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Requested move 6 January 2019

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Moved as proposed. After extended discussion, consensus is clear. bd2412 T 05:00, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

• Carl Zimmermann → Carl Zimmermann (politician)
• Carl Zimmermann (disambiguation) → Carl Zimmermann
• Karl Zimmermann → Karl Zimmermann (theologian)
• Karl Zimmermann (shooter) → Karl Zimmermann (sport shooter)
• Carl Zimmerman → Carl Zimmerman (producer)

– No indication that the American politician Carl Zimmermann whose entire political career, which was on the state — not national — level, lasted only two years, has sufficient notability to serve as the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Likewise, no confirmation that the seven-sentence stub for the 19th-century German theologian Karl Zimmermann has primacy over the stub for the Swiss Karl Zimmermann (shooter) or that the fifteen-sentence entry for the American producer Carl Zimmerman has primacy over the stub for the New Zealand Carl Zimmerman (cricketer). Finally, since Category:Swiss male sport shooters lists Ernst Huber (sport shooter), Kurt Müller (sport shooter), Kurt Rey (sport shooter) or Andrea Rossi (sport shooter), the main title header for Karl Zimmermann (shooter) should be moved to Karl Zimmermann (sport shooter). Also, with the form Carl Zimmermann having four entries (more than any other form), Karl Zimmerman, Karl Zimmermann and Carl Zimmerman should redirect to the Carl Zimmermann disambiguation page which would list all.     Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 01:11, 6 January 2019 (UTC)--Relisting. © Tbhotch^™ (en-2.5). 21:03, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Comment. This makes some sense rather than having multiple hatnotes everywhere, and I see the proposer has added the Karls to the DAB page. But how far do we go with treating similar - even etymologically identical - names as if they were literally identical? Reg Smith and Reg Smythe are separate, for example. 92.249.211.146 (talk) 02:42, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

• Support the move of Karl Zimmermann (shooter) per WP:CONSISTENCY. 92.249.211.146 (talk) 02:42, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
• Support per nom; first two, third and fifth because no primary topics [1] [2] [3] when each non-identical spelling is considered separately. Support fourth (shooter) per WP:CONSISTENCY. Agree with above comment that we must be careful combining non-identical names, but in this case they are few enough and close enough that a combination seems reasonable, especially if sorted by spelling. Station1 (talk) 05:21, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
• Support 1-4 per Station1, oppose #5, as the producer article has a large enough pageview lead on the cricketer page (85% of views, or 6x as many views) to be the primarytopic. Dohn joe (talk) 16:44, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.