Talk:Buffy Sainte-Marie/Archive 1

Date of birth?

The first section says February 20, but the next section says August 2. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.116.59.222 (talk) 07:51, 1 January 2009 (UTC) Colin marks (talk) 12:35, 10 January 2009 (UTC)Can't someone clear this up?Colin marks (talk) 12:39, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

What is Oriental Philosophy?

As long as I do not know the answer, I cannot find a suitable expression for the German version of the article. "Orientalische Philosophie" is just a verbatim translation, which I cannot find anywhere else. PSE take into account, that "oriental" refers to things of more or less Arabian origin, most of the time, in our language...

A discussion in the English/German language forum at LEO's would not provide me with a satisfactory translation.

PSE help, if you can. Have a laugh, if you cannot.., the sun is shining.
--Psycho Chicken 11:21, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Request cancelled,
the solution was found in the discussion at

LEOs.--Psycho Chicken 21:26, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Verification is needed for the claim that Ms. Sainte-Marie holds a Ph.D in Fine Arts from the University of Massachusetts. The terminal degree for a professional artist is usually an MFA. I know several people who have associations with UMass and who hold PhD's in Art History/Fine Arts (the latter sometimes meaning studio art and sometimes Art History, depending on the institution) who have never heard that Sainte-Marie shares their degree. Can anyone come up with documentation?68.72.110.24 02:21, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm ... Not sure why "Verification is needed for the claim ...", but I see that Marcellette G. Williams, Chancellor and Professor of English and Comparative Literature there stated in her 'Remarks from the New Student Convocation, September 2, 2001': "Then there is Buffy Sainte-Marie, born on a Cree reservation in Saskatchewan, Canada. We know her songs – "Up Where We Belong," "Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee" – these and others have been recorded by Barbara Streisand, Neil Diamond, Tracy Chapman, Elvis Presley. Buffy has a Ph.D. in Fine Arts from UMass." http://www.umass.edu/pastchancellors/williams/announcements/convocation2001.html Bhasi23 (talk) 11:18, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Gemini Award

I have added info about her Gemini Award and linked the page to the Gemini Award winners category.

Covered songs

Does anyone know which songs of hers were covered by any of the artists mentioned on her page (Chet Atkins, Cher, Neil Diamond, Donovan, Janis Joplin, Taj Mahal, Elvis Presley and Barbra Streisand) I am interested Rachel Ayres 02:50, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

I've updated the article to show who did some of what, but I can't track them all down. Rodparkes 02:45, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

I note that someone has changed "Sonny and Cher" to "Cher" in the list of those who have covered "Until It's Time For You To Go". Buffy's own website says Sonny and Cher - can someone verify the accuracy of this change?

Just noticed I forgot to sign the previous comment. Anyway, I have now confirmed that Cher recorded the song - it's included on her "Greatest Hits" album on Fuel 2000, released in 2005 (see http://www.answers.com/topic/greatest-hits-vol-1-rock-album-24?cat=entertainment). I have therefore removed the "citation needed" from Cher's name in the article. However, I don't believe it actually was a hit for her - maybe a B-side.

There's a list of other artists who have recorded the song at - not all are listed in the article, but I think it would be too much to try to be comprehensive. Rodparkes 05:01, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

"Now That The Buffalo's Gone"

page info indicates this song was initially released in 1967 - it was the first track on BSM's first album, "It's My Way", released 1964 - weed@wussu.com 82.34.22.145 08:18, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Possble discrepancies in article / more info possibly needed

I have read many articles on Ms. Sainte-Marie that say she was married to a gentleman named Dewaine Bugbee and that she has one son. Neither is mentioned in the article. Also, though all sources mention her personal and professional association with Mr. Nitsche, I never read in any other source that they were married. This apparent discrepancy puzzles me.

I think there ought to be some mention in this page about Ms. Sainte-Marie's life as an activist for various causes including Native American rights.

Tom

The Wikipedia article on Jack Nitzsche gives the date of Buffy's marriage to him as 1983, which makes more sense. According to Jimmy McDonough's Neil Young bio "Shakey," Nitzsche was involved with Young's ex, Carrie Snodgress, at least up until 1979 - when he was arrested for a violent assault on her. Which is all to say, I think that wedding date needs to be fact-checked.

Randy

The site http://nativeamericanrhymes.com/women/sainte-marie.htm says, "Although performers are public people, some are able to maintain their privacy, and Sainte-Marie has succeeded in keeping her offstage life to herself. It is known that in 1967 she married Dewaine Kamaikalani Bugbee, a man of Hawaiian, American Indian, and European ancestry. It is believed that she has an adult son, Cody Starblanket. She has also been linked with the composer-musician Jack Nitzche and the actor Sheldon Peters Wolfchild."

So successful has Buffy been at keeping her private life private that even the numerous online biographies of her frequently differ on the essential facts -even her birthdate is variously given as 1941 or 1942. However, the following timeline seems plausible:

• 1967 - married Hawaiian surfing instructor Dewaine (or Dewain) Kamaikalani Bugbee. The marriage apparently ended in 1972, though she continued to live in Hawaii.
• 1975 - was involved with, and possibly married, actor Sheldon Peters Wolfchild. He has an IMDB entry (with little personal information), but no Wiklipedia entry as yet, although he's mentioned in several other entries. From the name, I assume he's also a native American.
• 1976 - gave birth to her son Dakota Starblanket Wolfchild (presumably Sheldon's son), who appeared with her on Sesame Street.
• early 1980s - as one source says, "Some obituaries of (Jack) Nitzsche reported that he and Sainte-Marie were briefly married in the early 1980s". IMDB gives the marriage dates as 19 March 1982 until his death in 2000; however another source (http://www.hollywood.com/celebrity/Jack_Nitzsche/191007) gives the date as March 1981 and says they were later divorced, while Nitzsche's Wikipedia entry says 1983.

So, confusion all round. I have amended the entry for the date of her marriage to Nitzsche, but nothing else seems sure enough to add without additional confirmation.

Biographical sources (some of these list other sources):

• http://arts.enotes.com/contemporary-musicians/sainte-marie-buffy-biography
• http://www.answers.com/topic/buffy-sainte-marie?cat=entertainment
• http://www.musicianguide.com/biographies/1608000246/Buffy-Sainte-Marie.html
• http://www.cradleboard.org/press/bio.html
• http://www.firstnationsdrum.com/biography/fall98_buffy.htm
• http://nativeamericanrhymes.com/women/sainte-marie.htm

Rodparkes 06:07, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

I have citations for three "marriages" (but no mention of Nitzche) though I think she gave up using the term in a legal sense except where children are concerned. For interested folk I *highly* recommend the DVD - Buffy Sainte-Marie: A Multimedia Life - see refs. in article. --Smkolins 22:17, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

1993 Year of Indigenous Peoples

It is interesting that the 'Peoples' is sometimes indeed spelled People! Google hits are about 50 : 50. Hence, I've looked for resources on the net from 1992/1993, and voilà, I did find one good document: http://www.iadb.org/cultural/documents/encuentros/17383_93.3.pdf -andy 80.129.103.62 18:27, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Now That the Buffalo's Gone

It says that the song "Now That the Buffalo's Gone" is from the Fire & Fleet & Candlelight album, however it was on her first album. She has recorded it several times since but now for the album stated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.231.124.80 (talk) 03:02, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Age would be 66 if born in 1941, Feb

Why does the page list age as 65? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Radio Guy (talk • contribs) 02:13, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Censorship

It'd be really great if we could get some sources for the censorship section. Even links to other movements which were suppressed in similar ways would help, I think. Also, shouldn't records from that time be de-classified now/soon? Khono (talk) 20:10, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

I also don't know, when her birthday is...August 2 or February 20? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.185.56.115 (talk) 19:29, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Honours and Awards

the paragraph on the oscar and that on honourary degrees should be moved to honours and awardsToyokuni3 (talk) 04:07, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Child abuse

She has spoken somewhat about her being abused as a child. I tried finding more information about it but came up with nothing. Perhaps someone else could look around for a source on this and add it. NorthernThunder (talk) 03:47, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

I believe her DVD biography refers to indents of hate for Native Americans in her young days, and the situation of the orphanage vaguely along those lines. I'm not aware of any comments suggesting parental abuse of either biological or adopted parents, nor would I have called it child abuse, but rather the sad but too often effect of racism. There is a hint or two of a kind of inward racism as well in that her knowledge of Native culture was .. perhaps curtailed is the word... until later in her youth or early adulthood. At least this is what I know of so far.Smkolins (talk) 05:04, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

A CBC news broadcast on right now says (actually Ms Sainte Marie says herself) that there were what she calls "predators", then later she calls them "pedophiles" "in my community, in the schools, and at home." She says she never felt safe anywhere. The interviewer then said that she declined to name the people who were predators in her life as a child. I know it isn't good enough for the article, but it pretty much lays to rest the question.

Best New Artist Grammy?

Buffy has never been nominated for a Grammy if you look at the wikipedia Grammy page. Why does her first album's description refer to her winning Best New Artist?

Ph.D in Fine Arts?

I don't think there is such a thing. So says also Wikipedia articles Master of Fine Arts and Terminal degree. They may have sources.Calamitybrook (talk) 18:27, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Hmm. I searched the Union Catalogue using Ste. Marie, Sainte Marie and Saint Marie. No luck. I also searched the UMass holdings (all 5 campuses). They have lots of recordings from her, and some visual materials and a link to her Cradleboard project. But I don't see a publication, and I rather thought that a doctorate needed to have a publication, although I am a computer scientist and not a Fine Arts person. I will remove this sentence, as I see no verification of the Ph.D. --WiseWoman (talk) 19:51, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Genetic attribution in the lede

By entering "Buffy Sainte-Marie" +Cree into Google scholar or Google books, a great many reliable sources may be found. As for appropriateness in the lede, MOS:BIO says: "Ethnicity or sexuality should not generally be emphasized in the opening unless it is relevant to the subject's notability." I'd say in this case it is relevant. Featured articles, which represent the best of Wikipedia, mention ethnicity in the lede if relevant; see Jackie Robinson for an example. Ewulp (talk) 20:05, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

• There is also a discussion regarding this at the BLPN here Off2riorob (talk) 20:16, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
• The source supports the content, as do many others:
  • ISBN 9780825128530 "She is a Cree indian."
  • ISBN 9780415930208 "a Cree orphaned as an infant"
  • ISBN 9781858286365 "Born in Saskatchewan, Canada of Cree descent"
  • Black World/Negro Digest Jul 1967 "Buffy Sainte-Marie is a beautiful Cree girl"
  • ISBN 9781863954648 "Buffy Sainte-Marie, a Cree Indian"
  • ISBN 9781573561495 "Buffy Sainte-Marie (Cree)"
  • ISBN 9780803247871 "Buffy Sainte-Marie is a Cree singer-songwriter"
• Notice that several of those are encyclopaedias. Only one of the above puts this information beyond the first sentence. One, indeed, provides this information before even stating Sainte-Marie's name. Uncle G (talk) 14:27, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Her identification as Cree should certainly be in the lede. Aboriginal is too general, like calling someone from France European rather than French. Yworo (talk) 22:46, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

just FYI she is a "Mi'kmaq" - She was adopted by the Cree at a powwow when she was eighteen. Moxy (talk) 22:51, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

That's not what the sources say. They say here parents were Cree, she was temporarily cared for by a Mi'kmaq family, then adopted by Cree relatives of her parents. Yworo (talk) 23:31, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Well i guess your right ref1
....Her foster mother was part Mi'kmaq, but Sainte-Marie recalls all her childhood environments as being 'very white'. She was adopted by the Cree at a powwow when she was eighteen.Quote: An Anthology of Canadian Native Literature in English -Oxford University Press, 2005...Moxy (talk) 02:25, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

This reference, Encyclopedia of the Great Plains, is completely explicit on the matter. Believe me, if she were Mi'kmaq, I'd be the first to insist, as have I Mi'kmaq blood myself. Yworo (talk) 15:11, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

status

Afterwriting, you said "And she says she has never been a Baha" - can you be specific for this claim? The closest I can come to is an interview where she was asked if she was and the show clip cut before she answered (she spent the time explaining the Bahá'í view of progressive revelation.) If you have a cite for this statement I'd like to see it. --Smkolins (talk) 20:51, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

Buffy was recently in Australia and she mentioned in a radio interview that she was incorrectly described in her Wikipedia article as being Bahai just because she had been involved with some of their events. I will try to find the podcast link so you can listen to it. Afterwriting (talk) 02:42, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

Smkolins : Here is the link to the interview podcast: http://www.abc.net.au/local/audio/2015/03/03/4190526.htm?&date=201503 Afterwriting (talk) 03:13, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

Thanks!--Smkolins (talk) 00:05, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

Is "pacifist" a profession?

One doesn't usually see a person described as "physicist, author, and empiricist", or as "architect, sculptor, and rationalist" -- why then, describe this person as "... visual artist, educator, pacifist, and social activist"?

"Social activist," is at least an activity, but pacifism is not; it's just a philosophical position. Its use in this context isn't appropriate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.95.43.249 (talk) 22:27, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

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Adoption

What does "(in a Cree Nation context) adopted" mean? Isn't it better to write "adopted according to Cree Nation custom"?Royalcourtier (talk) 22:00, 25 December 2015 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 27 October 2023

According to the Oct. 27, 2023 article researched by CBC and written by The Canadian Press "Family, birth certificate raise questions about Buffy Sainte-Marie's Indigenous claim" her birthplace is in the USA, she was not adopted and her parents are white.

CBC says legendary musician Buffy Sainte-Marie’s birth certificate, other documents and details from family members contradict the singer's claim that she is Indigenous.

Sainte-Marie said Thursday ahead of the report that she doesn’t know who her birth parents are or where she’s from.

She called herself “a proud member of the Native community with deep roots in Canada.”

CBC located her birth certificate, which says Sainte-Marie was born in 1941 in Stoneham, Mass., and the document lists the baby and parents as white.

CBC says Sainte-Marie’s marriage certificate, a life insurance policy and a United States census corroborate the information on the birth certificate.

Family members in the U.S. told the public broadcaster that Sainte-Marie was not adopted and does not have Indigenous ancestry. Sainte-Marie’s younger sister has stated she is related to Saint-Marie's son by a DNA test disputing the adoption story. However, in a facebook post dated February 20, 2018 from Saint-Maries younger sister, which may have been referenced when Saint-Marie's child stated she joined via naturalization, the same DNA test shows Native American markers in the DNA (at a count of 30).

This report by The Canadian Press was first published Oct. 27, 2023.

The Canadian Press. All rights reserved. 142.177.237.0 (talk) 15:14, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. gobonobo ^{+ c} 15:45, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

Friendship with Alaina Reed

Her closest friend from the Sesame Street cast was Alaina Reed, who played Olivia Robinson on the show.

Entirely possible, but Googling "Buffy Sainte Marie" "Alaina Reed" finds nothing, and Newspapers.com for the same term only finds references to the Hawaiian episodes. -- Zanimum (talk) 01:00, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 October 2023

The article should say: Sainte-Marie falsely traces her ancestry to Indigenous Canadian (Piapot Cree Nation) roots. 2607:FEA8:1200:2800:B54D:2538:5913:731D (talk) 16:51, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Lead of the article currently reads "A 2023 investigation by CBC News found that Sainte-Marie, who previously claimed to have Indigenous Canadian (Piapot Cree Nation) ancestry, was born in the United States and has European ancestry" Cannolis (talk) 21:19, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

Buffy St. Marie Youtube Story & 1 suggestion

In case no one on wikipedia has seen this, this is the CBC Fifth Estate Youtube video on the Buffy St. Marie video. Its about 40+ minutes long. Best, --Leoboudv (talk) 10:35, 29 October 2023 (UTC)

• Just as an aside. This is a can of worms but perhaps wikipedia should have a category for Pretendian since Sacheen Littlefeather and Buffy now have apparently no native ancestry sadly. This is just a suggestion. Best, --Leoboudv (talk) 03:48, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

  You can bring it up at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Indigenous peoples of North America since there's been a lot of discussion already of categories and experienced editors can give their feedback and guidance.  oncamera  _{(talk page)} 03:54, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

• • Thanks for the suggestion Oncamera Personally since the CBC story came out last Friday, most of the Canadian native indigenous community has not had the time to respond over the weekend. Perhaps someone else may make a suggestion on creating a category for Pretendian which is a serious problem. However, on the Aboriginal Peoples Television Network (APTN) youtube video here and over here most people's reaction are negative towards Buffy's actions. APTN also has a cable TV channel throughout Canada and I am in Metro Vancouver, Canada. Best, --Leoboudv (talk) 10:54, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

MOS:FIRSTBIO

Can someone who knows more about this person edit down the opening sentence of the lead? I'm not sure I've ever seen seven reasons for notability listed. Nemov (talk) 15:55, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

Agree, it looks pretty bad/awkward. I'll trying taking out some that she is less known for. North8000 (talk) 16:38, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

I took a few out. Left the three that she is most known for. North8000 (talk) 17:21, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

Opening paragraph lead

I edited it to say concluded instead of asserted per MOS:SAID. CBC News investigation did not simply assert that Sainte-Marie was not Indigenous; they reached a conclusion based on the evidence they found. However, if other editors think there's a better way to write it, we can discuss that here since it's been changed a few times over the past few days.  oncamera  _{(talk page)} 17:55, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

I generally avoid BLPs, but the lead seems to have old citations attached to new information. I did create an archive for all the talk prior to last year. WriterArtistDC (talk) 01:34, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

FIRST INDIGENOUS OSCAR WINNER?

Ben Johnson was born on the Osage reservation and was Native. He won an Oscar in 1971. 47.212.204.95 (talk) 11:37, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Flash forward a year since she's confirmed to not be Native American descent but rather European ancestry, any attempt to call her the "First Native American Oscar Winner" would not be accurate... Clear Looking Glass (talk) 12:01, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Buffy's supporting documentation for her application for Canadian Citizenship

There's much discussion on whether she has Canadian Citizenship. Here is the application put forward by her past employee (Buffy's personal assistant starting in 1972) and future lawyer. https://www.scribd.com/document/680295799/Buffy3 2001:569:7133:1600:ACFF:7D8A:F2D4:8E61 (talk) 07:02, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

this isn't an application. it's an affidavit. huge difference. anyone got data that shows that application actually went through and was processed? because even this lawyer is struggling to find any information about her and put it down to lack of records kept on indigenous citizens. on the last page, after finding no information about her, this lawyer states that it's "in everyone's best interest" if citizenship was granted based on no evidence whatsoever. quite a strange and manipulative affidavit. 193.115.67.106 (talk) 17:29, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

It sort of works in reverse on a few points. It confirms that she didn't have Canadian citizenship that that time and that she knew that she did not have it at that time. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 01:30, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Good point. If she was born in Canada, why would she need to apply for Citizenship? Maybe to go with her claim of being a 60s scoop survivor/missing documents. It would be interesting to have some information on this. I understand she claimed at some point all her records were either lost in a fire or none existent or hidden or something. 2001:569:7133:1600:5CD6:CAF:BA6A:F391 (talk) 23:35, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

The first representation of breastfeeding ever aired on television

This event (Sesame Street, 1970s) was definitely not "the first representation of breastfeeding ever aired on television". I appeared on a news feature, breastfeeding from my mother, on television in 1964. 80.44.131.12 (talk) 16:15, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

Without evidence, we can't prove this clip exists. But it's highly probable that it does, and probably other clips. As such, the claim would need qualifiers of "scripted television." But then also, there's no qualifier about it being first on American television, first internationally, what?

The source provided cites a publication, one that isn't found in Wikipedia Library. So I can't tell (easily, at least) if there are qualifiers there.

I searched Newspapers.com for "Buffy Sainte Marie" "breastfeed" "Sesame Street", "Buffy Sainte Marie" "breast feed" "Sesame Street", and "Buffy Sainte Marie" "breastfed" "Sesame Street". The first two references (1992, 1996) are interviews with Sainte-Marie herself, third is a person talking about her, and four (2009) is a first person column. There's no period press coverage.

It may be a landmark in scripted television, and it was certainly exceedingly uncommon. But it may also be a Kirk and Uhura's kiss situation. As such, I'm qualifying it as something she has said of the scene. -- Zanimum (talk) 00:49, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

It doesn't appear that references that solely rely on what Buffy said can be taken as fact. 2001:569:7133:1600:D459:2FC9:EDA4:7494 (talk) 01:23, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

what they said. 'buffy facts' can be classified as 'alternative facts' and should be treated as such. way too many references to what buffy said. 2001:569:7134:1600:78DB:63FD:7C37:69C2 (talk) 08:56, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

2023 International Emmy, Buffy Wins!

Slap in the face says Indigenous Women's Group. https://www.cp24.com/slap-in-the-face-indigenous-women-s-group-reacts-to-emmy-win-for-sainte-marie-film-1.6654746 2001:569:7134:1600:C52D:E1C8:49D6:695A (talk) 04:51, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

Canadian citizenship

It says she's applied for Canadian citizenship, but any verification she actually acquired it? The source: "However, as part of the affidavit, which is dated Oct. 25, 2023, Opekokew also provided a 1980 letter she wrote that advocated for Sainte-Marie to be given Canadian citizenship." Appointment to the Order of Canada says foreigners can be given this award so that's not enough secondary evidence, imo. Should the template:dubious be added to this claim of being Canadian?  oncamera  _{(talk page)} 19:19, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

I haven't yet seen any recent RS that indicate whether the 1980s filing for Canadian citizenship was successful. The way her biography was reported for the 40 years prior to last week, however, implies that it was. On the other hand, in the other sense of nationality used in Wikipedia biography, she was probably never a resident of Canada. Newimpartial (talk) 20:27, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

But how did she won her Polaris Music Prize in 2020？https://polarismusicprize.ca/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/2023-Polaris-Music-Prize-Rules-Regulations-final-English.pdf 69.14.28.144 (talk) 21:32, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Update to include the 2020 rule, which rule 1g say she must be a citizen or land immigrant to receive the reward. https://polarismusicprize.ca/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/2020-Rules-and-Regulations-ENG.pdf

So either she is so famous that nobody bothered to check, or she actually has some documentation to say she has Canadian citizenship. 69.14.28.144 (talk) 21:45, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Was a public ceremony endorsed by her First nation family https://www.etalk.ca/celebrity/everything-we-know-so-far-about-the-buffy-sainte-marie-scandal-over-her-indigenous-heritage.html Moxy- 22:21, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

I don't see what you're referencing, Moxy. A ceremonial adoption into an Indigenous family doesn't confer citizenship to Canada. Any reference to citizenship in that article is linked to the one in my OP, which actually says they "advocated" for citizenship. I think the source is being misinterpreted to convey "facts" that aren't actually started in the source by using it to confirm Canadian citizenship.  oncamera  _{(talk page)} 22:59, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Not sure your reading the source correctly.... the application was endorsed by her so called First Nations tribe. without a birth certificate this was the minimum criteria. Moxy- 23:03, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

I must not be. Please copy-paste where it says she has Canadian citizenship in that source.  oncamera  _{(talk page)} 23:05, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Let me quote "APTN since published its own investigative report on how Buffy was able to acquire Canadian citizenship in the '80s. Apparently she relied on oral histories and disputed her birth certificate’s veracity. And she had and has the support of her adoptive family’s nation." In Canada these are public open ceremonies. Moxy- 23:11, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

To be honest I was surprised to see this being debated considering no sources debate this. Moxy- 23:31, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

The "APTN report" mentioned there is the one linked in my first post and it doesn't confirm citizenship. Only the quote I provided, which states her lawyer advocated for Canadian citizenship. I've had discussions in the past with you, Moxy, about including Indigenous names for locations and you demanded "official" documentation from government bodies that those are the correct names, but now you're saying something like this isn't worth sourcing? Interesting.  oncamera  _{(talk page)} 23:59, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Not sure what the concern is here..... there are literally thousands of publications stating this fact. The onus is on you to find anything contradictory. Moxy- 00:23, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Provide one that says she has Canadian citizenship if there's 1000s out there. Obviously, with recent events, there's plenty of doubts now when it comes to claims about her background.  oncamera  _{(talk page)} 01:21, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Just did ...it's crystal clear...as does the source you have provided..... that discusses how she was able to obtain it ( as described in the source I provided). Not sure your reading the sources properly. What you seem to be alluding to is that the new information precludes her from being a Canadian..... this is something for the courts to decide. If you find any source that talk about her Canadian citizenship we can talk. But the current controversy is related to indigenous ancestry. It's possible her citizenship is based on assumptions that aren't true.... but that does not automatically remove her citizenship. I Also think we should put both places of birth in the info box or just let the body deal with the discrepancy. Moxy- 02:03, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

This would be a good use of Template:Disputed inline for the infobox.--☾Loriendrew☽ ☏(ring-ring) 13:05, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

There were indeed thousands of publications before the recent CBC investigation, stating as fact that she was a Canadian citizen. Many of these also stated as fact that she was born in Saskatchewan, which appears to have been factually incorrect. It is therefore reasonable to look for a more recent or more thoroughly documented source for her Canadian citizenship. APTN does not assert that her application for citizenship in the 1980s was successful, and the source you are quoting from does not seem to be RS. Newimpartial (talk) 01:31, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Again none of these publications are discussing her citizenship. And not sure how CTV Television Network is not reliable. Moxy- 02:12, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Is etalk, CTV's celebrity beat newsblog, considered a reliable source for controversial claims about a living person? I would not have assumed it to be. Newimpartial (talk) 00:26, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

Thats how she got away with this, it was such an often repeated lie that it was accepted. If anything this is a lesson that no matter how often someting is repeated, everything warrents a question. That she is Canadian has been repeated multiple times with zero evidence except for the fact it has been repeated often. Everyone assumed someone else checked. She was even able to falsely claim awards reserved for Canadians based on this. Which is in turn used as evidence that she must be Canadian 2605:59C8:260C:9200:116:67F0:A898:DC8E (talk) 15:17, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

they would ignore the fact she had no documentation. She talks about it in this interview https://www.roguefolk.bc.ca/gallery/articles/buffysaintemarie 2605:59C8:260C:9200:89F6:3D1:50AE:3DE1 (talk) 03:46, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

No the order of Canada does not mean at all that she is Canadian non Canadians can also win this award. There is NO evidence anywhere that she ever obtained Canadian citizenship. The only one that claimed she was Canadian was her and then everyone else just repeated it. To see the eligibility for Order of Canada see : Eligibility | The Governor General of Canada (gg.ca). Unless you can find an actual source that says she obtained citizenship please stop saying she is Canadian. she is an American with no legal status in Canada outside of her own disproven claim she was born in sask. 2605:59C8:260C:9200:89F6:3D1:50AE:3DE1 (talk) 23:34, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

Canada has birthright citizenship. So any source believing the widely accepted claim that she was born in Canada could naturally refer to her as such solely on that basis, not based on any actual information regarding her citizenship. North8000 (talk) 17:49, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Correct ....our problem here is we need sources that discuss her "no longer" being called Canadian. Not our job to infer what the outcome will be. Thus far we have 2 disputed claims of birth place with all sources talking about both claims. Moxy- 16:11, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

I was really wondering about this so I inquired with journalists and they said inquiries are being made with the Canadian government since their research showed no proof of it happening. And you would think Buffy would have provided her proof of citizenship in defense of her claims rather than her lawyer showing only a letter where she "advocated" for it. So I suppose in due time, this information will end up in the news and can be used here. However, I still think a lack of a RS on her citizenship is a misuse of the "advocated letter" source per template:dubious.  oncamera  _{(talk page)} 17:22, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Regarding the Wikipedia article content, it is not a matter of debating or deciding whether or not she is a Canadian citizen. It is a matter of straightforward application of a core policy WP:Verifiability. Once challenged (which it has been) the statement needs suitable sourcing to stay in. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 01:18, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

Where has it been challenged? What sources talk about citizenship? Not our job to take a side in the debate anyways. Lets see what sources say. in the further.Moxy- 02:43, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

Fine with me to wait. I just wanted to point that out. North8000 (talk) 02:49, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

Literally been challenged on Wikipedia to find a RS for a statement used here.  oncamera  _{(talk page)} 03:10, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

OnCamera is correct. I didn't respond on that question because I was more interested in informing on my initial point. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 15:09, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

what source do you have that says she is Canadian. You should leave it as American until proven otherwise. Buffy herself said in her recent statement she has no idea where she was born. There is NOTHING that says she is Canadian outside of her previous lies. 2605:59C8:260C:9200:89F6:3D1:50AE:3DE1 (talk) 23:35, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

My recent comments have been on a matter of policy; I have no personal preference on where the inclusion/exclusion of "Canadian citizen" ends up. But @Moxy: by restoring the challenged (and disputed) material without a source you have clearly violated a core policy. Despite having no preference on the end result, as a matter of implementing clear cut policy and so save you from yourself, I'm going to revert your restoration of that claim. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 23:43, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

2605.... beat me to it. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 23:50, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

Every source in the article says Canadian.....we need to waiit for sources to change. Not our job to make conclusions when sources are not specifically saying anything different yet WP:SYNTH WP:CRYSTAL. We have no sources saying she is not Canadian as of yet. Moxy- 23:54, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

We have no sources saying she is not Albanian.

You think therefore she is also Albanian?

Or might logic have a place in deciding this? Htrowsle (talk) 01:15, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

LoL...The sources still say Canadian. Moxy- 01:47, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

Newspapers such as the StarPhoenix are starting to question if she's Canadian: "Some musicians say they were disappointed to learn they may have lost career-shaping industry awards to someone who may be neither Indigenous nor Canadian. They say it amounted to lost opportunities at critical times in their careers." Thus, it's not just Wikipedia editors who are calling it into question. Edit to add it was The Canadian Press writing that article for print syndication in many news outlets.  oncamera  _{(talk page)} 01:53, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

Here is an interview where Buffy herself address the issue, that she is does not have a Canadian passport nor documentation and she is in quotes considered a "citizen" in this article she explains that when she got awards they let it go that she had no documentation. Buffy Sainte Marie - The Rogue Folk Club 2605:59C8:260C:9200:89F6:3D1:50AE:3DE1 (talk) 03:28, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

Sorry that did not copy correctly, you will have to scroll down a bit in the article but it clearly explains she is not actually Canadian. She never had documentation, and has to enter Canada with an American passport

https://www.roguefolk.bc.ca/gallery/articles/buffysaintemarie 2605:59C8:260C:9200:89F6:3D1:50AE:3DE1 (talk) 03:31, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

there is no source that actually says she is Canadian. The news articles are merely repeating what she has said herself which has no been proven to be false. there is no credible evidence that she is, nor ever was Canadian. 2605:59C8:260C:9200:89F6:3D1:50AE:3DE1 (talk) 03:22, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

Would "American-born Canadian" or "American-Canadian", be acceptable? GoodDay (talk) 03:45, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

no as she is absolutely not canadian that is another of her lies. Read what she says about it herself

https://www.roguefolk.bc.ca/gallery/articles/buffysaintemarie 2605:59C8:260C:9200:89F6:3D1:50AE:3DE1 (talk) 03:48, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for that interview, in her own words, she doesn't have Canadian citizenship. Canada considers me a “citizen” in quotes. Like many many people who were adopted away from their reservations they don’t have their documentation. I’ve even tried to find my documentation. I have a friend who’s a Cree lawyer and she did a lot of research – in Cree – to try to find out who I may be or may not be. I was adopted into Piapot Cree by people who may or may not be related to me. We all know that and it’s not a problem.

So Canada…[she laughs] Every time I’ve had something like the Governor-General’s Award or Pierre Trudeau invited me to do that command-performance for the Queen, or when I was named an Officer in the Order of Canada, I explained every time that I don’t even have a Canadian passport. And everybody said ‘That’s OK. You’re one of us’. So that’s the way I’ve always felt. But I have a US passport and I was raised in the US.

I’m a US citizen so when I enter Canada I do so with a US passport.  oncamera  _{(talk page)} 04:28, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

I think that that makes the answer very clear. North8000 (talk) 16:24, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

It looks like Buffy has started to write the final chapter in her birth story and claim to being Indigenous. She has removed her claim from her official website biography.

2023 Still Indigenous Bio Page

https://web.archive.org/web/20231030023925/https://buffysainte-marie.com/?page_id=10867

2023 Post Indigenous Bio Page

https://buffysainte-marie.com/?page_id=10867

It has been a long road but Buffy has finally found her truth. 2001:569:7134:1600:C52D:E1C8:49D6:695A (talk) 11:40, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, correction. Following day Buffy is back to being an Indian.

"Being an 'Indian' has little to do with sperm tracking and colonial record keeping: it has to do with community, culture, knowledge, teachings, who claims you, who you love, who loves you and who's your family," said Sainte-Marie, 82, in a written statement to The Canadian Press.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/entertainment/buffy-sainte-marie-pushes-back-investigation-1.7037406 2001:569:7134:1600:D40A:3A61:E325:F6E6 (talk) 04:27, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

Alleged Blacklist Section under Controversies

There is no evidence that Buffy Sainte-Marie Was blacklisted by the US government or that any US President sent letters to radio stations to get her blacklisted. This is pure fiction created by Buffy herself. Links to articles in which she makes these claims are not reliable. She provides no evidence in the articles in which she is quoted. This section needs to be removed until it can be supported by facts. 2001:569:7133:1600:ACFF:7D8A:F2D4:8E61 (talk) 06:20, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

I renamed the section since there remained only one after your edit. Per WP:CRITS, there generally shouldn't be a section heading called "Controversies" anyway. The new heading title for her Indigenous identity dispute can be edited to something more fitting, since I suppose it's not really disputed anymore? I wasn't sure of a better title.  oncamera  _{(talk page)} 06:41, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

Looks good. 2001:569:7133:1600:ACFF:7D8A:F2D4:8E61 (talk) 07:54, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

This one is going to be a problem for years, I predict. There are all sorts of sources that have been repeating this claim, from other encyclopaedias to political analyses. I even found a couple of university press books with it, although they weren't of the standard of scholarship that always cites its sources. People are going to come back with "Here's a reliable source!" when challenged, and they are going to show things that are on their faces seemingly reliable. I haven't found anything yet that has independently checked this, though. They're all repeating or basing what they say on the subject's own statements, in the end.

The answer to the challenge at Special:Diff/181435623#Censorship on this very talk page 15 years ago seems to be that there will turn out to be no de-classified records to be had (one of the several variations of the tale having it that the article subject looked at xyr own FBI file), and it's all a house of cards based upon autobiographical statements from someone whose autobiographical statements have proven to be extremely unreliable.

This has been spun out into Lyndon B. Johnson having an entire "performers to suppress" list in some books. I cannot find evidence apart from this one claim, that such a thing existed, or that anyone else has found the existence of any such thing. And the books always give this person as their example of a person on the claimed list.

Of course, the mixed-up chronology of the article subject's claims, being censored in the 1970s by someone who was president in the 1960s, was pointed out and challenged in Special:Diff/89677417 in 2006. We're all a bit late to the party, here. ☺

Uncle G (talk) 16:06, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

Good find. Interesting edit history there. 2001:569:7134:1600:D41F:F7DB:2A09:5F87 (talk) 00:42, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

References

Can someone fix reference #16 - it's a malformed bare URL that redirects to "Bahá'í Reference Library". The Bahá’í World Volumes.

Also, maybe add an author-link to Jacqueline Keeler in reference #7

Thanks 76.14.122.5 (talk) 19:19, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

I fixed the references and added the author link.  oncamera  _{(talk page)} 19:49, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Biased wiki

This is a highly one-sided description of the controversy about her indigenous origin. Allegations made in the CBC documentary are presented as fact. The evidence that she is not indigenous is less than convincing. This wiki is not up to Wikipedia's standard for even-handedness. It should analyze the controversy in more detail, with confirming and exculpatory facts included. Someone here has an agenda. 69.62.170.77 (talk) 22:44, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia uses reliable sources and BSM has been proven to be unreliable versus the facts such as a birth certificate. Wikipedia doesn't have to present her "claims" or "her truth" as fact when reliable investigative sources state otherwise.  oncamera  _{(talk page)} 23:16, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Plus, it appears nobody is disputing what's in documentary, not even her. North8000 (talk) 00:19, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

I understand your concerns and I do think there is a way to address then.

Some of this is IMO but much of it is a reflection on this users comment about the appearance of bias (which I don't agree with)

One by including facts. This is difficult due to the fact that many, what would in most cases be considered, reliable source have republished Buffy's accounts without any facts to confirm them. So, we have to taken the time to review each reference to see if there are any facts to support the information contained in the wikipedia article. It is more work than typically required but necessary given Buffy's continued denial of the facts. IMO it reminds me of the Trump election denialism. Lots of facts but for a large amount of americans that doesn't matter.

Second, and probably difficult in terms of how to frame it and provide some balance, is including Buffy's claims. While a lot of what Buffy claims can't be supported by facts, including her claims may be one way to provide balance. I'm not sure if reverencing her claims would be appropriate as it leads the researcher down a rabbit hole of false claims and unreliable sources. I'm not exactly sure how to do this but including her claims may serve the purpose of acknowledging she claims one thing ut also including the factual information that disproves her claims.

I think this is also relevant to the honors and awards section. Listing all her awards acknowledged her long history of receiving honorary doctorates, national awards, music awards, etc, and I think those who fall on the side would appreciate that. But it also serves as a wall of stolen valor and shame for those who tend to believe the facts. 2001:569:7134:1600:1DBC:9C83:F843:95C7 (talk) 02:12, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Where she has said something questionable which is ostensibly a statement of fact, I think that coverage of such items should be limited and also stated as being a statement by her. This is for three reasons....the normal Wikipedia limitations of using a primary source and a non-independent source, plus her record of saying many things that weren't true further diminishes the credibility of those statements.North8000 (talk) 16:15, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Removing Claims of Abuse

I don’t feel that Buffy’s claims of abuse, specifically with husband Jack Nitzche. Nitzche had a record of being physically violent and was arrested for assaulting Neil Young’s girlfriend in 1979, and I believe was charged with rape. He had a drug and alcohol problem for many decades, and so it makes sense that Buffy’s stories about this abuse are true. 206.223.171.76 (talk) 03:08, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

That does not make her claim a fact. Wikipedia should deal with facts not unproven claims from someone with a long history of telling lies. If you have facts, post and reference them. 2001:569:7133:1600:AC3F:DE62:1EB6:E794 (talk) 05:33, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

I accept that you feel it could possibly be true. That does not rise to level of being true. If you have facts that she married a convicted rapist, added that with a reliable reference. That would be a fact.

In regards to her career stagnation claim. She also blames the FBI and 2 presidents. 2001:569:7134:1600:318F:3D03:24BB:1C5 (talk) 06:34, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

Actually, if relevant and notable a claim can often be included, regardless of whether it is a true, even if the claim is defamatory. For example, we mention multiple defamatory false claims by Donald Trump against various people. In the case of Sainte-Marie, we can't say if the claims are true or false. But, we can definately verify that they were made and widely published [1]. We can repeat the claim, while properly attributing who is saying (e.g. Saint-Marie). Given the reliable sources mentoning the allegations, the stuff that has been proven against Jack Nitzche, and the fact he died two decades ago, I'm not worried about violating WP:BLP. --Rob (talk) 05:08, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Many have claimed that the earth is flat and it has been widely published. Because 'Buffy says so' seems a pretty low bar given that she's spent the past 60 years telling a steady stream of lies. If you'd like to add more about her false claims of abuse, racism, victimization and characterize them as defamatory false claims, have at it. 2001:569:7134:1600:B12A:725:140F:7F9C (talk) 10:51, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Yes, we can cover incorrect and false statements, most commonly by stating the fact that someone said it. E.G. "John Smith said that the earth is flat". The next question is whether or not such info about what John Smith said is useful content for the article. North8000 (talk) 12:44, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

I'd say leave it out. It's a very vague serious sounding allegation made by someone with a record of false and misleading statements. North8000 (talk) 12:49, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Exactly. 2001:569:7134:1600:9126:FD54:CFCA:609C (talk) 08:08, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Her claims of abuse have shifted over the years. (1977 Dec. 08 The Vancouver Sun) She was a battered child, frequently beaten by her adopted father. In an much more recent NPR interview she states:

"For the most part, they were wonderful. There were some terrible predators in the neighborhood, and some bully predators in the house"

(https://www.npr.org/transcripts/652791230).

Her 2nd bio lists her brother and an older male relative who lived outside the house as being sexually abusive.

Not that it means anything but she also came out in support of Bill Cosby which seems odd.

https://www.facebook.com/BuffySainteMarie/posts/just-gotta-say-it-bill-cosby-has-always-treated-me-kindly-and-respectfully-since/357358887774769/ 2001:569:7134:1600:6591:FE16:1E67:F167 (talk) 02:25, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Honorary Awards

These are awards listed on her official site. There were some errors. I've corrected them and found some reliable source references. Some had references that did not appear reliable so I left those as "(no ref)". If anyone would like to update the list of any reference for awards currently listed on her wikipage. Here they are...

Honorary Doctorates

2019 – University of Toronto – Honorary Doctor of Laws ( https://alumni.utoronto.ca/news-and-stories/news-and-articles/singer-activist-philanthropist-buffy-sainte-marie-receives-u-t#:~:text=Buffy%20Sainte%2DMarie%20(Hon%20LLD,no%20indication%20of%20slowing%20down.)

2018 – Dalhousie University – Honorary Doctor of Laws ( https://www.dal.ca/news/media/media-releases/2018/04/04/famed_indigenous_singer_songwriter_and_social_activist_buffy_sainte_marie_to_receive_honourary_degree_from_dalhousie_university.html#:~:text=(Halifax%2C%20NS)%20%2D%20Dalhousie,at%20the%20Rebecca%20Cohn%20Auditorium.)

2017 – University of Lethbridge – Honorary Doctor of Laws ( https://www.ulethbridge.ca/unews/article/singer-songwriter-and-activist-buffy-sainte-marie-be-granted-honorary-degree-fall-2017#:~:text=Student%20Success-,Singer%2Dsongwriter%20and%20activist%20Buffy%20Sainte%2DMarie%20to%20be%20granted,the%20Fall%202017%20Convocation%20ceremony.)

2016 – Vancouver Island University – Honorary Doctor of Laws ( https://news.viu.ca/deputy-minister-university-champion-announced-viu )

2012 – University of British Columbia – Honorary Doctor of Letters ( https://graduation.ubc.ca/event/honorary-degrees/2012-honorary-degree-recipients/dr-buffy-sainte-marie/#:~:text=Madam%20Chancellor%2C%20for%20her%20powerful,%2C%20upon%20Buffy%20Sainte%2DMarie.)

2010 – Wilfrid Laurier University – Honorary Doctor of Letters * https://www.wlu.ca/about/governance/senate/honorary-degrees.html )

2010 – Ontario College of Art and Design – Honorary Doctor of Fine Arts ( https://www2.ocadu.ca/news/ocad-to-confer-honorary-doctorates-on-carole-cond%C3%A9-karl-beveridge-anita-kunz-and-buffy-sainte )

2010 – Brandon University – Honorary Doctor of Music ( https://news.brandonu.ca/2011/06/02/1332/ )

2009 – University of Western Ontario – Honorary Doctor of Laws * https://news.westernu.ca/2009/06/oscar-winner-says-follow-your-passions/ )

2008 – Carleton University – Honorary Doctor of Laws ( https://carleton.ca/senate/honorary-degree-guidelines-and-nominations/honorary-degrees-awarded-since-1954/ )

2007 – Emily Carr Institute of Art and Design – Honorary Doctor of Letters ( https://www.ecuad.ca/about/leadership-and-governance/honours-awards/honorary-awards#previous-honorary-degrees )

2003 – University of Saskatchewan – Honorary Doctor of Letters ( https://students.usask.ca/documents/convocation/spring-2003.pdf )

2000 – Lakehead University – Honorary Doctor of Letters * https://www.lakeheadu.ca/studentcentral/graduating/past-distinguished-guests/past-honorary-degrees )

1996 – University of Regina – Honorary Doctor of Laws ( https://teaching.usask.ca/indigenoussk/import/sainte-marie_buffy_beverly_1941-.php#:~:text=She%20has%20been%20an%20adjunct,from%20the%20University%20of%20Saskatchewan. )

1983 – University of Massachusetts – Honorary Doctor of Fine Arts (no ref)

Creative Arts Awards and Honours

2019 – Canadian Songwriters Hall of Fame Inductee ( https://www.cshf.ca/songwriter/buffy-sainte-marie/ )

2019 – International Folk Music Awards’ People’s Voice Award ( https://member.folk.org/page/peoplesvoice )

2018 – Indigenous Music Award for Best Music Video (“The War Racket”) ( https://www.cbc.ca/music/read/indigenous-music-awards-all-the-winners-from-the-2018-ceremony-1.5065804 )

2018 – Indigenous Music Award for Best Folk Album (Medicine Songs) ( https://www.cbc.ca/music/read/indigenous-music-awards-all-the-winners-from-the-2018-ceremony-1.5065804 )

2018 – Vision Maker Media Frank Blythe Award for Media Excellence ( https://newsroom.unl.edu/announce/cehs-news/7950/45403 )

2018 – JUNO Award for Indigenous Music Album of the Year (Medicine Songs) ( https://junoawards.ca/awards/past-winners-nominees/?search_year_val1=1970&search_year_val2=2022&search_category_val=&search_wins_val=yes&tag_search_val=Buffy+Sainte-Marie&submit=submit)

2016 – JUNO Awards for Aboriginal Album of the Year (Power in the Blood) ( https://junoawards.ca/awards/past-winners-nominees/?search_year_val1=1970&search_year_val2=2022&search_category_val=&search_wins_val=yes&tag_search_val=Buffy+Sainte-Marie&submit=submit )

2016 – JUNO Awards for Contemporary Roots Album of the Year (Power in the Blood) ( https://junoawards.ca/awards/past-winners-nominees/?search_year_val1=1970&search_year_val2=2022&search_category_val=&search_wins_val=yes&tag_search_val=Buffy+Sainte-Marie&submit=submit )

2015 – Polaris Music Prize (Power in the Blood) ( https://polarismusicprize.ca/blog/buffy-sainte-marie-wins-2015-polaris-music-prize-power-in-the-blood/ )

2015 – Americana Music Association’s Spirit of Americana/Free Speech in Music Award ( https://americanamusic.org/news/americana-announces-2015-honors-and-awards-winners )

2010 – The Governor General’s Performing Arts Award * https://ggpaa.ca/award-recipients/2010/sainte-marie-buffy.aspx )

2010 – Aboriginal Peoples’ Choice Music Award for Best Music Video (“No No Keshagesh”) ( https://www.cbc.ca/news/entertainment/winnipeg-s-most-wins-at-aboriginal-music-awards-1.932544 )

2009 – JUNO Award for Aboriginal Recording of the Year (Running for the Drum) ( https://junoawards.ca/awards/past-winners-nominees/?search_year_val1=1970&search_year_val2=2022&search_category_val=&search_wins_val=yes&tag_search_val=Buffy+Sainte-Marie&submit=submit )

2009 – Canadian Country Music Hall of Fame Inductee ( https://ccma.org/hall-of-fame/ )

2009 – Canadian Aboriginal Music Award for Best Album of the Year (Running for the Drum) (2009 Dec. 26 North Bay Nugget/newspapers.com)

2009 – Canadian Aboriginal Music Award for Best Songwriter (2009 Dec. 26 North Bay Nugget/newspapers.com)

2009 – Canadian Aboriginal Music Award for Best Female Artist (2009 Dec. 26 North Bay Nugget/newspapers.com)

2009 – Canadian Aboriginal Music Award for Best Song Single (“No No Keshagesh”) (2009 Dec. 26 North Bay Nugget/newspapers.com)

2009 – Aboriginal Peoples’ Choice Music Award for Best Folk/Acoustic CD (Running for the Drum) ( https://www.cp24.com/buffy-sainte-marie-given-lifetime-award-at-aboriginal-peoples-choice-awards-1.451877?cache=yesclipId10406200text/html;charset=utf-80404/7.263352/7.332353 )

2009 – Aboriginal Peoples’ Choice Music Award Lifetime Achievement Award ( https://www.cp24.com/buffy-sainte-marie-given-lifetime-award-at-aboriginal-peoples-choice-awards-1.451877?cache=yesclipId10406200text/html;charset=utf-80404/7.263352/7.332353 )

2008 – Canadian Aboriginal Music Awards Lifetime Achievement Award (no ref)

1998 – Canada’s Walk of Fame Inductee ( https://www.canadaswalkoffame.com/inductee/buffy-sainte-marie )

1998 – Dove Award for Contemporary Gospel Recorded Song of the Year (“Up Where We Belong”) (no ref)

1997 – Gemini Award for Best Performance or Host in a Variety Program or Series (Buffy Sainte-Marie: Up Where We Belong) (no ref)

1997 – JUNO Award for Best Music of Aboriginal Canada Recording (Up Where We Belong) ( https://junoawards.ca/awards/past-winners-nominees/?search_year_val1=1970&search_year_val2=2022&search_category_val=&search_wins_val=yes&tag_search_val=Buffy+Sainte-Marie&submit=submit )

1995 – JUNO Awards’ Canadian Music Hall of Fame Inductee ( https://junoawards.ca/awards/past-winners-nominees/?search_year_val1=1970&search_year_val2=2022&search_category_val=&search_wins_val=yes&tag_search_val=Buffy+Sainte-Marie&submit=submit )

1993 – Charles de Gaulle Award (France) for Best International Artist (no ref)

1984 – BAFTA Award (UK) for Best Original Song (“Up Where We Belong”) ( https://awards.bafta.org/award/1984/film )

1983 – Academy Award Oscar for Best Original Song (“Up Where We Belong”) ( https://www.oscars.org/oscars/ceremonies/1983 )

1983 – Golden Globe Award for Best Song Motion Picture (“Up Where We Belong”) ( https://goldenglobes.com/awards-database/?search=buffy&type=&y=1983&award-category= )

1978 – National Cowboy Hall of Fame – Western Heritage Wrangler Award for Outstanding Western Factual Television Program (Narrator of The American Idea: The Glory Road West on ABC-TV) (no ref)

1975 – National Association of FM Broadcasters Award for Outstanding Artist of the Year (no ref)

1966 – Teatro Sistina Award (Italy) (no ref)

1964 – Billboard Magazine’s Best New Artist (no ref)

Humanitarian Honours

2021 – Canadian Music Week’s Allan Slaight Humanitarian Spirit Award ( https://cmw.net/cmw-content/awards-news/iconic-indigenous-musician-and-activist-buffy-sainte-marie-to-receive-allan-slaight-humanitarian-spirit-award/199030/ )

2019 – Companion of the Order of Canada ( https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/governor-general-announces-83-new-appointments-to-the-order-of-canada-864148895.html )

2019 – PARO Centre for Women’s Enterprise’s Inaugural Women’s Voice Award ( https://www.tbnewswatch.com/community-submissions/paro-announces-northern-ontarios-business-women-of-2019-and-celebrates-25-years-1857552 )

2017 – JUNO Awards’ Allan Waters Humanitarian Award ( https://junoawards.ca/awards/past-winners-nominees/?search_year_val1=1970&search_year_val2=2022&search_category_val=&search_wins_val=yes&tag_search_val=Buffy+Sainte-Marie&submit=submit )

2012 – Queen Elizabeth II’s Diamond Jubilee Medal (no ref)

2002 – Queen Elizabeth II’s Golden Jubilee Medal (no ref)

2000 – Commissioner on (former astronaut) Senator John Glenn’s National Commission on Service-Learning (no ref)

1998 – American Indian College Fund’s Lifetime Achievement Award (no ref)

1998 – Native Americans in Philanthropy’s Louis T. Delgado Award for Native American Philanthropist of the Year (no ref)

1998 – National Aboriginal Achievement Foundation’s (Indspire) Lifetime Achievement Award ( https://indspire.ca/laureate/buffy-sainte-marie-2/#:~:text=Lifetime%20(1998),chord%20with%20the%20peace%20movement.)

1997 – Officer of the Order of Canada ( https://ggpaa.ca/award-recipients/2010/sainte-marie-buffy.aspx#:~:text=Awards%20and%20honours%20include%20Officer,Music%20Awards%20(2009)%20and%20Canadian )

1997 – Member of Hillary Clinton’s Committee to Save America’s Treasures (no ref)

1994 – YWCA Prince Albert’s Women of Distinction Award *no ref) 2001:569:7134:1600:1DBC:9C83:F843:95C7 (talk) 18:38, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Can anyone confirm that Buffy win Billboard Magazine Best New Artist for 1964 as listed on her official site?

The only reliable references I could find she claims to have won in 1965 and the claims weren’t made until 1967.

(1967 Jan 21) The Gazette, Montreal

Number One new female folk vocalist

and

(1967 Mar 09) Latrobe Bulletin

Number One new female folk vocalist 2001:569:7134:1600:ADE2:208A:D59F:A0A8 (talk) 03:56, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Buffy's Birth Stories.

(Note. This list was compiled in 4 hours of research using readily available tools such as Google Books and Newspapers.com. Two biographies, one written by Indigenous historian Blair Stonechild [2013] and a recent bio [2018] written by Andrea Warner, CBC Music writer/researcher did not provide any of these contradictory accounts.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:569:7134:1600:E8F1:4A67:369A:E2A (talk) 00:58, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

There are too many to note in her biography. If anyone would like to update them here are some Buffy provided from reasonable sources:

(1963 Oct 01) Detroit Free Press

Born a Micmac Indian in Maine. Her Micmac name was dark fawn. 

Newspapers.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:569:7134:1600:912F:D48:A8B0:CB54 (talk) 03:45, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

(1963 Feb 07) The Toronto Star

an attractive young Mic Mac Indian who calls Maine home.

Newspapers.com (subscription)

(1963 Jul. 30) The Sault Star, Sault St. Marie, Ontario

Indian folk singer Buffy Ste. Marie (a Micmac from the Maritimes)

Newspapers.com (subscription)

(1963 Dec 03) The Vancouver Sun

Cree Indian

Newspapers.com (subscription)

(1963 Dec 04) The Province

Cree Indian

Newspapers.com (subscription)

(1963 Dec 20) The Vancouver Sun Cree singer — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:569:7134:1600:ADE2:208A:D59F:A0A8 (talk) 00:56, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Newspapers.com (subscription)

(1963/1964) she is an Algonquin from Maine

https://www.google.ca/books/edition/The_Conscience_of_the_Folk_Revival/1Nn3QEQ_RqgC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=buffy+sainte+marie+algonquin&pg=PA88&printsec=frontcover

(1964) born in Craven Sask., near Regina, and while still a baby was adopted by a part-white, part MicMac Indian family

https://books.google.ca/books?id=czJgAAAAIBAJ&pg=PA16&dq=Beverly+Sainte+Marie&article_id=7249,1142800&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwim5a6Wq6qCAxVCIn0KHVsIDqIQ6AF6BAgKEAI#v=onepage&q=Beverly%20Sainte%20Marie&f=false

(1964 Jan 25) Valley Times

Alqonquin Indian girl

Newspapers.com (subscription)

(1964) the full-blooded Cree Indian girl

https://books.google.ca/books?id=czJgAAAAIBAJ&pg=PA16&dq=buffy+sainte+marie&article_id=7249,1142800&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjMzvPv5KmCAxXiADQIHRKOD4cQ6AF6BAgKEAI#v=onepage&q=buffy%20sainte%20marie&f=false

(1964 Feb 01) Valley Times

raised as an adopted member of the Micmac tribe

Newspapers.com (subscription) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:569:7134:1600:ADE2:208A:D59F:A0A8 (talk) 01:53, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

(1964 Apr 11)

The Buffalo News

Is of American Indian decent and is an adopted member of the Cree tribe.

Newspapers.com (subscription) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:569:7134:1600:ADE2:208A:D59F:A0A8 (talk) 01:37, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

(1964) Although born on the Pia Pot Indian reservation on the flanks of the Qu'Appelle Valley, Buffy grew up in New England. She was adopted at an early age by a MicMac couple who took her to live with them in Maine.

https://books.google.ca/books?id=t0M_AAAAIBAJ&pg=PA66&dq=buffy+indian+reserve&article_id=4273,1164495&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiN7eXssqqCAxXCKH0KHV85BbIQ6AF6BAgGEAI#v=onepage&q=buffy%20indian%20reserve&f=false

(1964 Aug 04) The Memphis Press-Scimitar

Algonquin Indian

Newspapers.com (subscription)

(1965) born somewhere in Canada-to Cree parents she never knew...adopted by a couple who were both part Micmac Indian

https://books.google.ca/books?id=HkwEAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA3&dq=buffy+indian+reserve&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjRk8zhv6qCAxWbMDQIHYiuDPMQ6AF6BAgHEAI#v=onepage&q=buffy%20indian%20reserve&f=false

(1965) She remembers living on frozen potatoes one winter on that reserve, which is near Regina.

https://books.google.ca/books?id=UEQ_AAAAIBAJ&pg=PA28&dq=buffy+indian&article_id=2244,4947358&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj_tNThsKqCAxWCOTQIHYFfDKYQ6AF6BAgFEAI#v=onepage&q=buffy%20indian&f=false

(1965 April 27) The Ludington Daily News

She was born in Maine and these days home is wherever she happens to be. Although she’s been adopted by some people in Saskatchewan, People adopt her wherever she goes.

Newspapers.com (subscription)

(1966 May 21) The Ottawa Citizen

Buffy got her chance to return home 6 years earlier when she was 18.

Newspapers.com (subscription)

(1966) she has been reluctant to say anything about her early upbringing. Even the name and the location of the distant Indian reservation where she had been born had hitherto been kept secret.

https://books.google.ca/books?id=t0M_AAAAIBAJ&pg=PA62&dq=buffy+sainte+marie&article_id=2471,1128842&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiG8tyw16mCAxVkFjQIHXrWCSg4RhDoAXoECAkQAg#v=onepage&q=buffy%20sainte%20marie&f=false

(1966) Miss Buffy Sainte Marie is a full-blooded Cree Indian

https://books.google.ca/books?id=wCxgAAAAIBAJ&pg=PA18&dq=buffy+sainte+marie&article_id=7178,3957445&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi6mJLm0KmCAxXCIjQIHZQkCd04KBDoAXoECAYQAg#v=onepage&q=buffy%20sainte%20marie&f=false

(1967) a member of the Algonquin Indian tribe

https://www.google.ca/books/edition/Hi_Fi_stereo_Review/MDFLAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=buffy+sainte+marie+algonquin&dq=buffy+sainte+marie+algonquin&printsec=frontcover

(1967 Jul 06) The Honolulu Star-Bulletin

Buffy, a native of Harrison, Maine, grew up on on Indian reservation.

Newspapers.com(subscription) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:569:7134:1600:E8F1:4A67:369A:E2A (talk) 00:25, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

(1967 Jul 07) Honolulu Star-Bulletin

Buffy, a Cree Indian taught on her reservation near her birthplace, Harrison Maine, after receiving a college degree in Oriental philosophy.

Newspapers.com(subscription)

(1967) A full-blooded Cree Indian

https://books.google.ca/books?id=ntRNAAAAIBAJ&pg=PA11&dq=buffy+sainte+marie&article_id=6468,1759297&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj76Kup1qmCAxWKGTQIHfLIDe84PBDoAXoECAUQAg#v=onepage&q=buffy%20sainte%20marie&f=false

(1968) born on an Indian Reserve near Fort Qu'Apelle but was adopted by Albert Sainte-Marie, a part Indian. Her foster parents moved to Main, USA when she was still a baby

https://books.google.ca/books?id=aTFgAAAAIBAJ&pg=PA20&dq=buffy+sainte+marie+born&article_id=5814,3881982&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiG9OzG56mCAxVnHTQIHeHyDU4Q6AF6BAgLEAI#v=onepage&q=buffy%20sainte%20marie%20born&f=false

(1968 Nov 23) The Journal News

never knew her Cree parents. Her French-Canadian adoptive parents raised her in New England.

Newspapers.com(subscription) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:569:7134:1600:E8F1:4A67:369A:E2A (talk) 00:13, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

(1969 Oct. 9) Wausau Daily Herald

a Cree Indian born and reared in Maine.

Newspapers.com (subscription)

(1970) Buffy, who's a full-blooded Cree Indian

https://books.google.ca/books?id=-pxeAAAAIBAJ&pg=PA71&dq=buffy+sainte+marie&article_id=4007,3479924&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi6mJLm0KmCAxXCIjQIHZQkCd04KBDoAXoECAwQAg#v=onepage&q=buffy%20sainte%20marie&f=false

(1970) She is a full-blooded Cree Indian

https://books.google.ca/books?id=f2xkAAAAIBAJ&pg=PA63&dq=buffy+sainte+marie&article_id=2848,4372124&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiG8tyw16mCAxVkFjQIHXrWCSg4RhDoAXoECAYQAg#v=onepage&q=buffy%20sainte%20marie&f=false

(1970) Buffy, who was born in Canada, a member of the Cree tribe, was orphaned as a baby and raised by an Indian couple of another tribe, the MicMacs.

https://books.google.ca/books?id=f4tJAAAAIBAJ&pg=PA104&dq=buffy+sainte+marie+born&article_id=4074,5892372&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi96fGx7amCAxXzGTQIHeX7Atw4ChDoAXoECAcQAg#v=onepage&q=buffy%20sainte%20marie%20born&f=false

(1972) Born on the Piapot Cree reserve north of Regina, was adopted at an early age by a Micmac couple

https://books.google.ca/books?id=DOxUAAAAIBAJ&pg=PA4&dq=buffy+sainte+marie&article_id=3770,3735845&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiJ6Ia54qmCAxUYMTQIHREcBtA4bhDoAXoECAcQAg#v=onepage&q=buffy%20sainte%20marie&f=false

(1972 Dec 20) Hartford Courant

Home for her is Hawaii, where she lives with her husband and about 20 adopted pets - horses, dogs, chickens - and where she was raised by her adoptive parents.

Newspapersdotcom — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:569:7134:1600:E8F1:4A67:369A:E2A (talk) 01:29, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

(1972) Buffy, born Feb. 20, 1942 on a Cree Indian reservation in Saskatchewan, Canada, was adopted by a part-Indian middle-class couple after her parents died.

https://books.google.ca/books?id=W8dOAAAAIBAJ&pg=PA61&dq=buffy+sainte+marie+adopted&article_id=7172,2118022&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjDpfGV4bCCAxWhETQIHf1lCjQ4HhDoAXoECAcQAg#v=onepage&q=buffy%20sainte%20marie%20adopted&f=false

(1974) Buffy, a full Cree Indian was orphaned as a baby and raised in Wakefield, Mass.

https://www.google.ca/books/edition/Army_Reserve_Magazine/n77l_0d0rEoC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22buffy+sainte+marie%22&pg=RA6-PA3&printsec=frontcover

(1975) Buffy Sainte Marie, song-smith, singer, half Cree Indian

https://books.google.ca/books?id=bcdYAAAAIBAJ&pg=PA2&dq=buffy+sainte+marie&article_id=5351,1785667&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi6mJLm0KmCAxXCIjQIHZQkCd04KBDoAXoECAkQAg#v=onepage&q=buffy%20sainte%20marie&f=false

(1975) "I'm not half-breed, I'm a double breed"

https://books.google.ca/books?id=MDk0AAAAIBAJ&pg=PA74&dq=buffy+sainte+marie&article_id=1394,2144251&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi5mdKY1amCAxV9GTQIHYz9DI04MhDoAXoECAoQAg#v=onepage&q=buffy%20sainte%20marie&f=false

(1977) Buffy Sainte-Marie was born on the Piapot reserve in Saskatewan, near Craven. Orphaned in early childhood, she was adopted by a part Micmac Indian couple of Wakefield, Mass.

https://books.google.ca/books?id=0LRVAAAAIBAJ&pg=PA67&dq=buffy+sainte+marie+craven&article_id=3444,2879695&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjOtLKJ3bCCAxVZCTQIHeMjBdwQ6AF6BAgMEAI#v=onepage&q=buffy%20sainte%20marie%20craven&f=false

(1978 Aug 07) The Leader Post Instead of abandoning her Indian roots she returned to spend summers on the Piapot reserve and was formally adopted into the band when she was a teenager…..I grew up with both cultures.

Newspapers.com (subscription)

(1980) Her former employee/future lawyer's Delia Opekokew claimed in 1980 (after 2 years of research. I'm guessing she didn't speak to her US parents?)

" Her mother, an unmarried woman, was from the Piapot Ind'ian Reserve and had Buffy at Craven, Saskatchewan in a private home and eventually gave her up for adoption to a couple who were in the area at the time."

https://www.scribd.com/document/680295799/Buffy3

(1992) Orphaned when a few months old, she was raised by a part Micmac family in Massachusetts and later adopted by a Cree family related to her biological parents.

http://plainshumanities.unl.edu/encyclopedia/doc/egp.mus.041

(1997) Born of Cree parents on the Piapot Reserve in Saskatchewan

https://www.gg.ca/en/honours/recipients/146-4913

(1998) Buffy Sainte Marie is a Metis/Nehiyaw born on a reserve outside Regina, Saskatchewan and adopted and raised in Maine.

https://www.google.ca/books/edition/Legends_of_Our_Times/NfmwccU1EFIC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22buffy+sainte+marie%22&pg=PA217&printsec=frontcover

(1999) When did you go home to Canada? "I visited when I was a child, and in my teens I use to go back and forth." - Buffy

https://www.google.ca/books/edition/Dreaming_the_Dawn/toFPtlHWfzkC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22buffy+sainte+marie%22&pg=PA136&printsec=frontcover

(2008) “My mother who raised me was part Mi’kmaq so I had a small connection to my Native roots. But it was kind of a cocktail-party Indian situation, where you say you are part Indian and that’s the end of it. In other words, ‘My grandmother was one quarter something or other,’” Sainte-Marie says affecting a deep masculine voice. “It was very much a point of pride, but it was not a point of communication, information or connection to Aboriginal people.

http://www.nationnewsarchives.ca/article/standing-firm-for-the-past-five-decades-singer-songwriter-buffy-sainte-marie-has-never-wavered-in-speaking-out-on-native-issues-2/

(2009) Buffy Sainte-Marie is a Cree from Canada that was adopted by a white family from Massachusetts

https://books.google.ca/books?id=gpAHFY3_P2cC&pg=PA167&lpg=PA167&dq=buffy+sainte+marie+racism&source=bl&ots=f9N4RCazIA&sig=ACfU3U149J0SZA1mOj-bFVnZI_m1oc0Z0w&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwii4N3_57CCAxXoMDQIHdfwAjQ4KBDoAXoECAQQAw#v=onepage&q=buffy%20sainte%20marie%20racism&f=false

(2011) orphaned at 5 months old

https://www.google.ca/books/edition/Hidden_in_Plain_Sight/IoaH9Q50x3wC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22buffy+sainte+marie%22+piapot&pg=PT343&printsec=frontcover

(2012) Born in Saskatchewan and of Cree heritage, Dr. Sainte-Marie

https://graduation.ubc.ca/event/honorary-degrees/2012-honorary-degree-recipients/dr-buffy-sainte-marie/

(2014) born on February 20 in 1941 or 1942 on the Piapot reserve...In her mid-teens Sainte-Marie escaped into a new hobby-researching her Indian heritage. Although her adoptive mother was half Micmac Indian, she had grown up knowing little about Indian history or about her own people. After reading every book about Indian culture she could find, she took a trip to the Piapot reserve to learn more about the Cree firsthand. The warm welcome she received from her Cree relatives left a deep impression on the awkward adolescent, and she began to visit the reserve regularly.

https://www.google.ca/books/edition/A_to_Z_of_American_Indian_Women/N7eiezmLjfEC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22buffy+sainte+marie%22+mother&pg=PA215&printsec=frontcover

(2015) Sainte-Marie had actually grown up in Massachusetts, having been adopted by relatives.

https://www.google.ca/books/edition/The_History_of_Canadian_Rock_n_Roll/QtCGDwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22buffy+sainte+marie%22+piapot&pg=PT70&printsec=frontcover

(2015) 74-years-old Cree singer-songwriter and political activist is a far ways from Saskatchewan’s Qu'Appelle Valley where she was raised.

https://www.huffpost.com/archive/ca/entry/buffy-sainte-marie-on-idle-no-more-stephen-harper-and-residenti_n_7424654

(2015) Buffy Sainte Marie's beginnings are shrouded in mystery. She was told her birthplace was Craven, a village near the PiaPot Reserve on the plains of Saskatchewan, Canada, but she never saw a birth certificate documenting her birth. She was told her mother and father were Cree, but she never knew their names or why they gave her up for adoption.

https://www.google.ca/books/edition/She_Takes_a_Stand/OElNCgAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=buffy+birth+records&pg=PT131&printsec=frontcover

(2016) born on the PiaPot Reserve in Canada. Her parents were Cree

https://www.google.ca/books/edition/Rad_Women_Worldwide/vU3qDAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22buffy+sainte+marie%22+piapot&pg=PA61&printsec=frontcover

(2017) Born Beverly Sainte-Marie to Cree parents on the Piapot Plains Cree First Nation Reserve in the Qu’Appelle Valley of Saskatchewan, Canada, she was orphaned within the first year of her life and adopted by a couple who were part Micmac.

https://acousticguitar.com/the-unbreakable-buffy-sainte-marie-a-candid-conversation-with-the-resilient-songwriter-and-activist/

(2018) Sainte-Marie, who was born on the Piapot Plains Cree First Nation reserve in Saskatchewan

https://atlantic.ctvnews.ca/buffy-sainte-marie-receives-honorary-doctorate-from-dalhousie-university-1.3889872

(2018) Sainte-Marie was born on a reserve in the Qu'Appelle Valley of Saskatchewan, Canada, but later taken from her indigenous family to be adopted by a family in Massachusetts.

https://www.npr.org/2018/09/29/652791230/buffy-sainte-maries-authorized-biography-serves-as-a-map-of-hope

(2018) Buffy Sainte-Marie was born on a Cree Indian reservation in western Canada. She was orphaned when she was only months old

https://www.encyclopedia.com/people/literature-and-arts/music-popular-and-jazz-biographies/buffy-sainte-marie

(2019) She was born on the Piapot Reserve in Saskatchewan, Canada, but her mother died in an automobile accident when she was an infant. She was adopted by an American couple of Mi'kMaq ancestry and raised in Maine and Massachusetts.

https://www.google.ca/books/edition/A_New_History_of_American_and_Canadian_F/Ts2rDwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=buffy+sainte+marie+birth+records&pg=PA94&printsec=frontcover

(2020) Beverly Sainte-Marie-who acquired the nickname Buffy as a child-was born on February 20, 1941 to Cree parents on the Piapot Reserve in Saskatchewan, Canada. Orphaned when she was a few months old, she was adopted by Albert C. Sainte-Marie, a mechanic, and Wilfred (Kendrick) Sainte-Marie, both part Micmac Indian. Her adoptive parents, who had lost a child of their own, brought her up in Wakefield, Massachusetts, where they made their home, and it was through them that she obtained United States citizenship.

https://www.google.ca/books/edition/Contemporary_World_Musicians/qVYAEAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1

(2021) Buffy Sainte-Marie was born in 1941 on the Piapot First Nation reserve in Saskatchewan, and taken from her biological parents when she was two or three.

https://chatelaine.com/living/buffy-sainte-marie-at-80/

(2021) the future star was taken from her home as a precursor to the “Sixties Scoop,”

https://canadianstampnews.com/new-stamp-honours-buffy-sainte-marie/

(2021) Although my family have lots of their own tragedies from residential school which almost everybody attended, none of us know what to say about this even to each other. It's just heartbreaking and so personal to us!

https://www.pentictonnow.com/watercooler/news/news/Penticton/Candid_interview_with_star_of_Penticton_Art_Gallery_s_summer_show_Buffy_Sainte_Marie/?fbclid=IwAR1qhlkffFvOrgaVQnZNbPHwtbU_EW-zj9Fve9Fryo1cHono-qrlnySR7Lw

(2022) Buffy was born in 1941 on the Piapot 75 Reserve in Qu’Appelle Valley, Saskatchewan, Canada, to Cree parents. At the age of 2 or 3, Buffy was removed from her family as part of the Sixties Scoop

https://350colorado.org/art-and-activism-buffy-sainte-marie/

(2022) Born in the 1940s on the Piapot Reserve in Canada, she was orphaned as an infant and like thousands of other aboriginal children during that period was adopted out. She was sent 3,500 miles away to Wakefield, Massachusetts, with no accompanying birth certificate or official paperwork.

https://www.google.ca/books/edition/Medicine_Education_and_the_Arts_in_Conte/UIBdEAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=buffy+birth+records&pg=PA77&printsec=frontcover

(2022) Even though Buffy Sainte-Marie was born in a traditionally Indigenous community in Saskatchewan, Canada around 1940, she grew up far away with an adoptive family in a small American town in Javex, USA. Between 1883 and 1997, “Children were kidnapped from their own families and put into jail,” Buffy said. Most of her family were in a residential school, a place where slavery, genocide and racism was imposed.

https://www.artshelp.com/buffy-sainte-marie/

(2022) Born in 1941 on the Piapot Cree First Nation reserve in the Qu’Appelle Valley, Saskatchewan, Sainte-Marie was orphaned as an infant after the sudden death of both of her parents.

https://junoawards.ca/blog/happy-80th-birthday-buffy-sainte-marie/

(2023) Buffy was taken from her parents at age two or three as part of the Sixties Scoop

https://diversity.rbc.com/buffy-sainte-marie-offers-insights-and-wisdom-to-rbc-employees-during-national-indigenous-history-month-event/

(2023) Sainte-Marie was born on Piapot First Nation in Saskatchewan but was raised in Massachusetts and Maine after she was adopted. - A. BLAIR STONECHILD

https://www.everythingzoomer.com/arts-entertainment/2023/09/25/buffy-sainte-marie-tracing-the-indigenous-icons-impact-as-an-artist-and-activist/

(2023) Born in Stoneham, Massachusetts,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffy_Sainte-Marie

Undated

Orphaned as an infant in Canada when her mother, a Plains Cree, died in an automobile accident.

https://www.britannica.com/biography/Buffy-Sainte-Marie

born in 1941 on the Piapot First Nation reserve in Saskatchewan

https://buffysainte-marie.com/?page_id=10867

born on February 20, 1941, of Cree parents on the Piapot Reserve near Craven, Saskatchewan. She was orphaned as a baby

https://teaching.usask.ca/indigenoussk/import/sainte-marie_buffy_beverly_1941-.php

Born on a Plains Cree First Nation reserve in Saskatchewan

https://canadianmusichalloffame.ca/inductee/buffy-sainte-marie/

There is no official record of Buffy’s birth. It is believed she was born in 1941 on the Piapot First Nation reserve

https://nac-cna.ca/en/bio/buffy-sainte-marie

Born February 20, 1942 (some sources say 1941) ... Buffy Sainte-Marie was born on a Cree Indian reservation in western Canada. She was orphaned when she was only months old

https://musicianguide.com/biographies/1608000246/Buffy-Sainte-Marie.html

Believed to have been born on the Piapot Reserve

https://www.canadaswalkoffame.com/inductee/buffy-sainte-marie

Buffy Sainte-Marie is not exactly sure where or when she was born, but it was likely the Piapot Reserve in the Qu’Appelle Valley, Saskatchewan

https://www.amazon.ca/Buffy-Sainte-Marie-Scholastic-Canada-Biography/dp/1443196126

she was orphaned as a very young child and adopted by family members in Massachusetts

https://women-gender-equality.canada.ca/en/commemorations-celebrations/women-impact/arts/buffy-sainte-marie.html

Born in the early '40s on the Piapot Cree Nation, Buffy Sainte Marie was a toddler when the Canadian government removed her from her family and placed her in foster care.

https://music.apple.com/ca/playlist/buffy-sainte-marie-essentials/pl.09f194a6d94d455187d4535baba9718e

———————————— This is exactly like stolen valor, but for race. She appears to like cloaking herself in victimhood. Using sexual assault - truly committed against her or not - as threat to control another’s actions and stop them exposing her lies is beyond horrible. And the unethical natives supporting her lifelong co-opting of their trauma and pain is a betrayal of every native person that suffered for being who they are. Thank god they only speak for themselves and not all natives. F bsm and F every single person that supports this fraud. 2001:569:6FE4:EDEF:1548:2821:B59D:FC70 (talk) 04:41, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

Instead of ranting. Post some facts. There is so much misinformation out there that having something factual people can use to form their own opinions included on her wikipedia page is important. Opinions are interesting but facts are more important if her page is to be useful as a research point. 2001:569:7134:1600:D40A:3A61:E325:F6E6 (talk) 05:05, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

Perhaps it is true she doesn’t know where she was born. All these different stories would be hard to keep track of. 50.98.179.194 (talk) 08:41, 4 December 2023 (UTC)