Talk:Brooke Prentis

Rationale for 'Advert' tag

@Melcous: If you'd like to hear my rationale for why this reads like an advertisement, it's as follows:

• This is a BLP of a political activist written by essentially a brand-new editor who also bypassed – whether intentionally or not – having their draft reviewed.

• The overwhelming majority of sources for this BLP are primary. The one from Eternity is actually a combination of outright copying Prentis' self-authored biography page (compare below) and just parotting what Prentis has to say about herself. Therefore, literally the only source in this article that's independent from the subject is the Sight one.

* Self-authored bio: "Brooke is a Chartered Accountant. She has more than 15 years senior management experience in the corporate world, including top 100 ASX listed companies. Brooke serves on a number of boards."

* Eternity News: "In addition, she is a chartered accountant who has been a senior finance professional for more than 15 years, including seven years as an auditor with Ernst & Young. She has held positions in Top 100 ASX companies, government, and not-for-profits. Prentis [...] currently serves on a number of Boards"

As an aside, our article has close paraphrasing tantamount to plagiarism:

* Eternity News: "In addition, she is a chartered accountant who has been a senior finance professional for more than 15 years, including seven years as an auditor with Ernst & Young. She has held positions in Top 100 ASX companies, government, and not-for-profits. Prentis has expertise in governance, currently serves on a number of Boards, and is a member of the Australian Institute of Company Directors (AICD)."

* Our article: "Prentis is a chartered accountant who has been a Senior Finance professional, including seven years as an auditor with Ernst & Young, and has held positions in Top 100 ASX companies, government, and not-for-profits. [2] She is a governance expert and has served, and is currently serving on a number of Boards, and is a member of the Australian Institute of Company Directors (AICD)."

* Brooke's self-authored biography: "Brooke has already been given many opportunities to be a compassionate and passionate Christian voice in the public arena, appearing on national television and radio programs including ABC’s The Drum, NITV’s The Point, Hope 103.2 FM, Soul Search, God Forbid, and Eternity Magazine.  Journalist Andrew West of ABC Radio National’s Religion and Ethics Report said Brooke is “one of the most prominent and eloquent Indigenous leaders in the church today”."

* Our article: "Prentis has appeared on national television and radio programs including ABC’s The Drum, NITV’s The Point, Hope 103.2 FM, Soul Search, God Forbid, and Eternity magazine.[citation needed]  Journalist Andrew West of ABC Radio National’s Religion and Ethics Report said Prentis is “one of the most prominent and eloquent Indigenous leaders in the church today”.[5]"

• The article uses obviously non-neutral language in describing Grasstree and Common Grace. In the case of Grasstree, something that would normally be phrased something like: "Grasstree's stated goal is 'to celebrate, encourage, equip, and inspire Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Christian leaders.'", it's simply stated the event: "brings together Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Christian leaders from right across Australia to celebrate, encourage, equip and inspire Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Christian Leaders." Likewise, regarding Common Grace, the primary citation doesn't even mention these words, and yet here's Wikipedia's voice saying: "This multi-denominational service aims for recognition of the need for reconciliation, through truth telling, action and justice.". This sentence is literally using Wikipedia's voice to declare that an organization tells the truth, associates the organization with nebulous buzzword "justice", and declares that there's need for reconciliation.

It's for these reasons that I used the 'advert' tag. I will furthermore not be marking this article as 'reviewed', and I encourage other new page reviewers to refrain as well.

TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 15:13, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for your explanation TheTechnician27. I agree that there are some issues with the article, but I disagree that "advert" is the best maintenance tag, particularly for a biography created as part of a Wikiproject addressing our terrible stats on biographies of women. If the issue is that the majority of sources are primary, then a "third party" tag would seem more appropriate. And certainly some of the wording could be modified to trim the closely copied and potential POV language. Thanks Melcous (talk) 22:36, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

I've had a go myself at addressing the issues noted above, but please comment here with any further suggestions. I've added the third party tag because I agree with TheTechnician that the majority of sources currently are not independent. Melcous (talk) 22:44, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

Thanks TheTechnician27 and Melcous for the feedback. I am still learning about writing wiki pages, and appreciate the feedback. As noted, this page is part of developing biographies on women. Indigenous Christian women in Australia are often ignored by the mainstream media, and so places like Eternity News are the only places you may hear about them, even if they are relatively notable in Christian circles. I have added a couple links this morning and will keep working on adding extra external sources. DrMushEa (talk) 23:38, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

Feedback from New Page Review process

I left the following feedback for the creator/future reviewers while reviewing this article: Please see the talk page for Brooke Prentis for why I used the 'advertisement' tag..

TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 15:16, 1 March 2021 (UTC)