Talk:Architecture in Helsinki

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Nothing links here. Anonymous editors with no other edits. Is this orphan any more than a self-promotion? --Wetman 06:22, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Architecture In Helsinki are quite a well-known indie band here in Australia. Cnwb 08:48, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

Actually, they're reasonably well-known worldwide - I'm from Bulgaria, I was kind of surprised to find such a small entry.

And they're linked to on the Twee page. -- JoJo McLeod 12:31, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Architecture in Helsinki is gaining popularity throughout the world. This page should reflect it. Someone needs to edit and add more information -Fran

bueno, AiH no es conocida en la Argentina, pero para que haya llegado a conocerla es que deben ser bastantes conocidos en Europa y en EEuu y sobre todo en Australia. Aparte, sus videos (como Do the whirlwind!) se pasan muy de vez en cuando en un canal de musica argentino (rock and pop tv), pero no los pasan por mtv o much music

Name?

As a Finn I was wondering...why do they call themselves Architecture in Helsinki? --TonyM ^{ｷﾀ━( °∀° )━ｯ!!} 18:53, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

I'm from melbourne, I heard they created their name by cutting up a newspaper and pulling words out of a hat. It is a quirky, weird name, and they play quirky weird music.--211.28.173.53 15:42, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

It'5!

I changed Line 13's reference to their song "It'5!". Someone mistakingly put "It's 5!", a reasonable error, but an error nonetheless. The song is indeed called "It'5!". Thanks! JustinFRANCIS 07:50, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Mbrs.

At no point in this article does it clearly state what instruments each member plays. Chubbles (talk) 00:49, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Images

I think the reason the old image was rooted was because it existed on Wikipedia Image:Architectureinhelsinki.jpg and at on Commons under the same name. There is room for both old and new images in the article, but we can't readd the old one until it is deleted leaving the Commons one behind. (I have listed it for deletion already). Wongm (talk) 07:59, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

The commons image appears to almost certainly be a copyvio... dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 08:01, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Special:Contributions/Helsinkids appears to be someone associated with the band by their editing history. The commons image is uploaded by someone using the same name, Special:Contributions/Helsinkids, and if my recollection is correct it was a direct copy of the Wikipedia image. Uploading duplicates between both locations appears to be a newbie mistake. Also, the images contain EXIF data for a fancy medium format camera, most images floating about on the net have the EXIF stripped out, so it makes the 'copy and paste from the net' explanation less likely. Wongm (talk) 08:52, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, valid point, and if it is someone associated with the band that'd be pretty cool. However, Commons would require that they are actually are someone associated (OTRS proof works well)...I'll raise the issue there and see what happens. dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 09:05, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

See commons:Commons:Administrators' noticeboard#OTRS help/question. dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 09:08, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Name of band

I think the Name of Band section is misleading. It's an funny anecdote, but I read it thinking I would actually learn something about where the name of the band came from. Does it really belong on this page?

If someone can fill in the details about where the name actually came from, I think it's fine to keep the anecdote, but otherwise I think it should be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.7.235.119 (talk) 17:08, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

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The result of the move request was: Move. We have a fairly solid consensus that the band is the primary topic of the phrase "Architecture in Helsinki", written as such. A hat note to Architecture of Finland will be placed at the band's article. Cúchullain ^t/c 15:04, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

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Architecture in Helsinki (band) → Architecture in Helsinki – Per WP:DAB, we don't need a dab page for two items (only one of which actually has this name): a hatnote will do. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 06:04, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

• Oppose - a band not well known outside Australia requires (band). Otherwise we are just pointlessly irritating anyone using the RH autocomplete box. In Google Books the name always occurs with "Aussie indie pop act" etc. to disambiguate, or some context to disambiguate. Our titles don't have surrounding sentence, so the argue for removal of (band) flies in the face of WP:CRITERIA - Recognisability. In ictu oculi (talk) 09:04, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
• For - "architecture in Helsinki" is a description of a generic thing, but as a noun it's only the band - David Gerard (talk) 13:04, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

David, can I ask, had you already heard of this band?

The problem is we cannot move the article to "architecture" with a small a. Architecture in Helsinki meaning architecture in Helsinki also has to have a capital A. If it was Red meat vs Red Meat there'd be a difference, but all articles begin with Caps. In ictu oculi (talk) 13:12, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I had. I see that the original move to this name was done messily; the move back should be far cleaner - David Gerard (talk) 15:24, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

• Support The present hatnote is sufficient, especially since this is the only article on a topic called "Architecture in Helsinki." Unfortunately, IIO errs in suggesting a topic needs parenthetical disambiguation in the absence of titling conflicts merely because it's obscure, which is neither to the letter nor spirit of WP:D. --BDD (talk) 16:12, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

BDD had you heard of this band before this RM?

Re obscure, yes, that is my point, architecture in Helsinki isn't particularly obscure, there are whole books on the subject, Jussi Tiainen Helsinki: contemporary urban architecture 2004 etc. And architecture of Helsinski is covered in en.wp articles Helsinki#Cityscape, Architecture of Finland, Museum of Finnish Architecture, what is obscure about architecture in Helsinki? Not really more obscure than Architecture of Rome.

As for WP:DAB I'm sorry BDD but in my view at least, and that of BarrelProof and some others, you appear to not agree with WP:DAB first paragraph about article content not titles being the basis of disambiguation, we've been through this on many RMs and WT:DAB. If we're going to remove (band) from anything that doesn't have a standalone article title why not ambiguate British India (band) - we have no "British India" article, Air Cuba (band), "Air Cuba" redirects there, and 100s of others.

In ictu oculi (talk) 02:03, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

• Air Cuba to RM. It originally had an article, but this is so obscure no one noticed it for years until now. Tbhotch.^™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 06:24, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

"I haven't heard of it" - argument from personal ignorance - isn't actually a criterion. They're noteworthy enough to have an article, and they are the noun "Architecture in Helsinki"; the other topic (of two) is a description of the thing it's talking about, not a noun phrase - David Gerard (talk) 07:21, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

David re "I haven't heard of it" - argument from personal ignorance" I don't see anyone making that argument. The point of asking yourself and BDD "had you already heard of this band? is whether you had already heard about the band. In ictu oculi (talk) 15:02, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

By asking anyone who disagrees with you "had you heard of this band before this RM?" you are making precisely that argument. It's an invalid one in Wikipedia discussion and should be ignored by the closer - David Gerard (talk) 11:53, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

Anyone who has already heard of Architecture in Helsinki (band) is therefore were pre-equipped with an unwritten "(band)" in assessing this move proposal.In ictu oculi (talk) 15:02, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

User:David Gerard (helps if we all keep comments in timeline order, thanks). As I said the point of asking yourself and BDD "had you already heard of this band? is whether you had already heard about the band. That means that the point of asking yourself and BDD "had you already heard of this band? is whether you had already heard about the band. Anyone who has already heard of Architecture in Helsinki (band) is therefore were pre-equipped with an unwritten "(band)" in assessing this move proposal. I don't see how I can say it more clearly. Anyone who is pre-informed about this band's existence is already familiar with the name before expressing a view in the RM. That is a different issue to how other encyclopedia users will react to the title. This is a common structural problem with RMs, RMs always pull in via watchlists and other routes RM comments which are pre-exposed to the page topic in question. In ictu oculi (talk) 01:08, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

• Comment. I created special redirects on the dab page to see how many people who go there are looking for the Finnish architecture page vs. the Australian band page. The results could certainly help inform the debate here. Dohn joe (talk) 17:08, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
• Oppose No question to me that this level or precision or disambiguation is necessary. We have a whole host of articles about architecture in certain locations that really discuss, surprise surprise, architecture in those locations. No matter how many people are looking for the band's article vs the architectural merits of Helsinki, I find it impossible to accept how the band, "in" in place of "of" in the name notwithstanding, can occupy the primary namespace without confusion. -- Ohc ^¡digame!_{¿que pasa?} 03:19, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
• Support - the band is actually known outside of Australia, having undertaken several overseas tours and appearing at numerous international festivals. Given that there is not a specific article on architecture in Helsinki but a referral to an article on Architecture of Finland - it doesn't seem that the move is going to cause any undue impact. Dan arndt (talk) 04:58, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
• Support. The readers have spoken, and they are not confused. Over the past four days, 312 people went to the "Architecture in Helsinki" dab page. Exactly 4 of them then went on to the "Architecture of Finland" page. (I dropped the first two days of results as likely artificially inflated.) That's 1.2%. Of course, these are extremely preliminary numbers, but I think it safely shows that the band is WP:PRIMARYTOPIC and that a hatnote can direct Finnish architecture fans where they want to go. Dohn joe (talk) 17:45, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
• Support. Per Dohn. A normal person searches for the architecure of a country or a city with historical relevance (in architecture), like Rome, but Helsinki is not one of those. © Tbhotch^™ (en-2.5). 18:42, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

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