Talk:Antoine Risso

Nationality

The current article mentions Risso as a French naturalist. But here, Giovanni Antonio Risso (born 1777 in Nizza) is described as an Italian scientist, chemist in Nizza until 1826 and from 1832 professor there of chemistry and botany. Was Nice/Nizza French in 1777? Did Italy exist? Apparently he wrote in French. Should we perhaps leave the nationality out and only mention the city? --LA2 23:01, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Not French

He was not Feench. He shouldn't be in French categories.John Pack Lambert (talk) 22:09, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

More on being French

Nice emwas cknquered and annexed to Francd duting the French revolutionary wars. We generally do not call people French who were only French by assiciation of the annexed time. I do not think he goes in French categories.John Pack Lambert (talk) 22:13, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

He's defined as being French/Italian. I've rolled back your 9 edits. I've asked you several times to stop removing defining categories. Removing him from 19th century FOOian zoologists entirely is not productive. Mason (talk) 13:16, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Per the other conversation, I'll move them to Italian FOOian. Regardless of whether he is italian or french, he is still a 19th century zoologist. I am tired of asking you the same thing over and over again. STOP REMOVING PEOPLE FROM THE INTERSECTION OF OCCUPATION AND CENTURY. Mason (talk) 13:20, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Sorry about that. I had not thought of the century aspect there. I was thinking because he was in another Zoologist Category it would be OK. I will try not to remove people from century categories.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:38, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Please take more care with categories. I've made the same requests repeatedly. You could have also moved the French FOO categories to Italian foo categories instead of just placing them in Foo. Please stop undoing others hard work with centuries. You might not like them, but that's how the categorization scheme works at the moment. Mason (talk) 20:56, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

• On what ground do we calm him Italian really though? There is no Kingdom of Italy until 1861. Not only is that 15 years after he dies, it is the year after France annexes Nice. So as far as I can tell where he lived was never part of Italy. I really think trying to shoehorn all people into modern national identity schemes is not wise. I think in ambiguous or unclear cases we should categorize people by the most applicable categories for the polities that the actually were a subject of, in this case the Kingdom of Sardinia, and then also for more specific categories put them in the more general category.John Pack Lambert (talk) 21:10, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

  The other editor said that he was defined as Italian. We have Italian centuries before 1861; Kingdom of Italy isn't the only reason folks can be called Italian. I'm trying to be compromising here, which is why I didn't push for France. He's in the Italian encyclopedia, which I think is enough to put him in Italy until the there's a correpsonding ccategory for 19th-century italian biologists. [1] Mason (talk) 23:32, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Nice was not in France in 1845

Nice was not in France in 1845. It is not annexed to France until 1860. He did not die in France. He died in the Kingdom of Sardinia.John Pack Lambert (talk) 21:06, 4 July 2024 (UTC)