Talk:Amputechture

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Straight from the official press release:

"The resultant Amputechture, the third album by The Mars Volta, marks the first time Omar and Cedric have created a work without a single unifying narrative. The essential creative process remained the same: Omar creating the music (including the horn sections) for Cedric to lyricize—but this time with the freedom to document unrelated stories, vignettes, inside jokes, various people, events memories… All in all, Cedric likens the experience alternately to the compartmentalized episodes of Rod Serling’s NIGHT GALLERY or the disparate plotlines of David Lynch’s TWIN PEAKS: Storylines not necessarily linear or in any way connected, but all told in the same voice.

The Mars Volta cast that performed Amputechture will be modified for live dates that begin imminently, with drummer Jon Theodore replaced by Blake Fleming, formerly of Laddio Bolocko and Dazzling Killmen and actually the drummer who played on the very first Mars Volta demos. Pablo Hinojos-Gonzalez will expand his role, contributing both guitar and sound manipulation skills. Finally, while not a member of the touring Mars Volta band per se, Amputechture contributor John Frusciante, on the other hand, will be in close proximity, as his Red Hot Chili Peppers and The Mars Volta are scheduled to tour together through November 2006"

Jon Theodore

I can find no source that says this is his last alblum with the mars volta. It only states he isnt touring with them. Can someone provide a source please, or remove that statement.

He has left permanantly: http://www.thecomatorium.com/board/index.php?showtopic=63851 Zopwx2 21:19, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Origin of the Album Title

In the sleeve notes of 'Frances The Mute' it names all the companies involved with the making of the album. Under 'presented by' one of the companies is called 'Amputechture' but spelt 'Amputekthure'.

The term 'Amputechture' was coined by Jeremy Michael Ward, and used in the DitC booklet (I believe). UserGameless 19:20, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Orginal Research

What part of "could come from the idea that the album is an "archetecture" of "phantom limbs", meaning a shedding all of the religious ideas that have been instilled, and creating a work out of it? Also, the whole album contains pieces from other TMV songs; either played backwards or just shoved in the middle (listen closely). This too, could be considered a construction of "phantom limbs". " doesn't sound like orginal research to you? -169.199.67.9 19:21, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

John Frusciante

Why is the fact that John Frusciante tracked every guitar part omitted from the article? It was stated in a few interviews, Frusciante recorded all guitar parts, allowing Rodriguez-Lopez to act as a virtual producer. It seems to be removed from Frusciante's page as well. Both pages were correct, but now seem to have biased editing against Frusciante..

Becuase its wrong? Both Omar and Frusc are on the album. Omar plays all the solos, and anywhere the guitar needed to be doubled. (which is in most songs considering you see paul hinojos playing guitar live on all the amp songs). "The album features almost a dozen artists, including Red Hot Chili Peppers guitarist John Frusciante who is featured as guest guitarist on every track except Asilos Magdelena." is right there in the article, and frusc is in the personnel section, no one is biased against him. In addition omar plays all of asilos by himself. See below. Zopwx2 18:55, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, labeling him a 'guest guitarist' leads one to believe his role is much more minor than it actually was. Both the Amputechture and John Frusciante articles previously stated his involvement as being major, taking the place of primary guitarist for the band after Omar already wrote the music. Pictures of Omar showing Frusciante what to play have surfaced on the internet. I'm not sure what information is correct as I only believe his involvement is more major than is led on because of previous versions of these Wikipedia pages. Apparently however, Wikipedia is either unreliable, inconsistent, or just plain wrong as you stated.

I got rid of the phrase "guest guitarist". But I think whoever wrote it orignally meant to say that he does indeed play a significant part on the album, but he is not a member of the touring band. Not that his role was minor or anything. Not to mention I believe it was taken from the GSL press release anyway. Although the idea that omar just sat back and taught frusciante to play the entire album and recorded it is incorrect. They both played together.Zopwx2 15:16, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

I believe he played on every track, including Asilos. Any reference to say that this isn't true?

He didn't play on Asilos. It was just Cedric and Omar, and Omar did the acoustic. CanbekEsen 21:18, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

there is an interview where omar says it was only him and cedric on that song. Zopwx2 04:32, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Asilsos merger

Asilos is not a single, and the article only seems to exist to showcase one person's interpretation of its meaning.

- Agreed, the asilos article could be deleted really, its personal interpretation and unsourced info. As the rest of each track on the album doesn't have an article either, I think that this one could be deleted. At least, the asilos article should not be merged with this. If we vote on this I vote to delete the asilos article and not merge it with this.

I only put a merger up becuase the author kept removing the delete notice. Almost all the info is redundant and/or unsourced info so it won't make it here anyway.

Paul Hinojos

Does he participate on the record? Miscellanea seems to claim so, but he is not listed under personnel or mentioned in the album sleeves.

No he's there, look harder. Pablo = Paul Zopwx2 05:41, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Has The Album Gone Platinum

This article says Amputechture has gone platinum. Is there a source?

-Seemingly not. I noticed this was sourceless but didn't do anything about it, because I had the feeling it was one of those things that some guy would keep on readding. I have my doubts its gone platinum... I think it would have gone gold at the very most. This should be removed until someone finds a source. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Olliemilne (talk • contribs) 00:35, 24 February 2007 (UTC).

Top Selling Album status

The source for this information is RIAA Radar. RIAA Radar gets it data from Amazon.com, meaning this album is only the top selling album on amazon, and not in general. It may be their top selling album overall, but I don't think RIAA Radar can count as a source for this, as they themselves state that all their data comes from amazon. Therefore this piece of info is unsourced. Eventually I think this information should be removed, but I'd like to know what everyone else thinks before I do that. Thanks. Olliemilne 19:51, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Remove it. I think that's a weak source. - mfishrules

Since noone else voiced their opinion besides us two, that makes a 2-0 vote in favour of removing it, so I have removed it. If you think there is any reason this information should be put back, please discuss it here. Thanks. Olliemilne 15:31, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

This Album is Connected

All song titles serve as redirects to this album, have their own pages, or have been placed at the appropriate disambiguation pages. Jimmyupt 01:57, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

El Ciervo Vulnerado

I have a comment regarding this song title:

El ciervo vulnerado doesn't mean "the wounded shepherd", even if The Mars Volta think it does. Furthermore, I don't see the reason for mentioning that ciervo sounds like siervo, as siervo means servant (its literal translation would be serf).

On the other hand, the exact phrase "el ciervo vulnerado" appears in the spiritual poems of spanish saint San Juan de la Cruz (John of the Cross). Seeing as vulnerado is a very unusual choice of adjective (like, for example, saying "the debilitated deer" instead of wounded), it's much more plausible that this is the origin of the phrase.

The poem is arguably San Juan's most famous work, and several publications in spanish use the name "el ciervo vulnerado". You can find it in context [here [1]], together with a step-by-step explanation of the poem's meaning (in spanish).

-Vuélvete paloma que el ciervo vulnerado por el otero asoma al aire de tu vuelo y fresco toma

(turn back, dove, for the wounded deer is looking out of the lone hill and taking in the air of your flight) --Chilreu (talk) 19:05, 22 November 2009 (UTC)