Talk:Agra–Lucknow Expressway

Requested move 11 January 2020

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: all pages moved as requested (except DND Flyway) per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 07:59, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

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• Agra Lucknow Expressway → Agra–Lucknow Expressway
• Ahmedabad Vadodara Expressway → Ahmedabad–Vadodara Expressway
• Ambala Chandigarh Expressway → Ambala–Chandigarh Expressway
• Amritsar Jamnagar Expressway → Amritsar–Jamnagar Expressway
• Bamroli Althan Expressway → Bamroli–Althan Expressway
• Bangalore Chennai Expressway → Bangalore–Chennai Expressway
• Chennai Salem Expressway → Chennai–Salem Expressway
• Delhi Faridabad Skyway → Delhi–Faridabad Skyway
• Delhi Gurgaon Expressway → Delhi–Gurgaon Expressway
• Delhi Mumbai Expressway → Delhi–Mumbai Expressway
• Delhi Noida Direct Flyway → Delhi–Noida Direct Flyway see discussion below -- wbm1058
• Jaipur Kishangarh Expressway → Jaipur–Kishangarh Expressway
• Kanpur Lucknow Expressway → Kanpur–Lucknow Expressway
• Mumbai Nagpur Super Communication Expressway → Mumbai–Nagpur Super Communication Expressway
• Mumbai Nashik Expressway → Mumbai–Nashik Expressway
• Mumbai Pune Expressway → Mumbai–Pune Expressway
• Mumbai Vadodara Expressway → Mumbai–Vadodara Expressway
• Pathankot Ajmer Expressway → Pathankot–Ajmer Expressway
• Raipur Bilaspur Expressway → Raipur–Bilaspur Expressway
• Shimla Chandigarh Expressway → Shimla–Chandigarh Expressway

– MOS:ENDASH and consistency across all names. See similar, Category:5 ft 6 in gauge railways in India Vatsmaxed (talk) 08:07, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Note: Please don't remove already done ones. I manually moved them over different days. Sorry for same. Wish to have a consensus for all above article moves. Also please group all above requests into single section, I am unable to do so. Vatsmaxed (talk) 08:07, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

These are the "already done ones":

• Amaravati Anantapur Expressway → Amaravati–Anantapur Expressway
• Bangalore Mysore Infrastructure Corridor → Bangalore–Mysore Infrastructure Corridor
• Chennai Port Maduravoyal Expressway → Chennai Port–Maduravoyal Expressway
• Delhi Amritsar Katra Expressway → Delhi–Amritsar–Katra Expressway
• Delhi Jaipur Expressway → Delhi–Jaipur Expressway
• Delhi Meerut Expressway → Delhi–Meerut Expressway
• Faridabad Noida Ghaziabad Expressway → Faridabad–Noida–Ghaziabad Expressway
• Nagpur Hyderabad Bengaluru Expressway → Nagpur–Hyderabad–Bengaluru Expressway
• Noida Greater Noida Expressway → Noida–Greater Noida Expressway
• Raipur Bhilai Durg Expressway → Raipur–Bhilai–Durg Expressway
• Raipur Naya Raipur Expressway → Raipur–Naya Raipur Expressway

This is a contested technical request (permalink).  — Amakuru (talk) 10:49, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

• Comment - I agree in principle with these requests, as roads from Point A to Point B, our usual convention is to include the ENDASH. However, I have two peripheral questions, @Vatsmaxed: I'd be interested in your view on this:
  1. Should they all be ordered alphabetically, similar to Iran–United States relations and United States–Yemen relations? I think the only reason we'd order them non-alphabetically is if the road has a well-defined "start" versus "end" point, or if WP:COMMONNAME overwhelmingly favours the given direction.
  2. Should it be "Expressway" or "expressway"? Per MOS:CAPS only words which are "consistently capitalized in a substantial majority of independent, reliable sources" should be capitalised on Wikipedia, but I see plenty of sources which lowercase it: [1][2][3]  — Amakuru (talk) 10:58, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
  • Reply - @Amakuru: Please find my views below.
    1. No, they should not be ordered alphabetically. In India, the official name to expressway is given in format larger city–smaller city expressway. Due to media also using same format, it also enters in same way in general public talks. So WP:COMMONNAME favours the above given direction.
    2. It should be "expressway" as per MOS:CAPS. Now, many source also use uppercase ones:[4][5][6] But since there is no official case specification, we should go with MOS:CAPS. Thanks for pointing this out.
  • Having said this, there are many more expressway articles which need to be case-changed. (for eg. Belghoria Expressway). Please see such entries in subcategories in Category:Expressways in India. Ideally they should also be case-changed. Can this happen as part of this request, or a separate request needs to be raised? — Vatsmaxed (talk) 15:27, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
• Support even though I mildly prefer an em dash. Nom, or Amakuru, any idea why the community has preferred an en dash instead of an em dash in this case? --Doug Mehus T·C 18:09, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

• The guidance is at MOS:ENBETWEEN. As for why it's that way, figuring that out requires going through lots of consensus-building discussions from 15 years ago in the talk archives. Dekimasuよ! 15:00, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

  Dekimasu, Thanks for the style guideline. I'll bookmark that and read it more in-depth. Sounds like a contentious discussion! Off-topic, and not relevant to this discussion, do you prefer en or em dashes? And how do you make an en dash (i.e., what's the Alt code)? I just use Alt+0151 (which is the em dash, if I'm understanding correctly). Doug Mehus T·C 16:53, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

• I use both en-dashes and em-dashes in different contexts. In this sort of case, I would always use an en-dash. En-dashes can be created with Alt+0150 on a PC. Dekimasuよ! 04:58, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

• Comment. Vatsmaxed, my bot has flagged your request as malformed. Twelve of the pages you've requested to move are redirects. Changes to the targets of redirects should be discussed at WP:Redirects for discussion. Unfortunately this was one of two requests the bot didn't handle gracefully until I patched the code, see related discussion HERE. – wbm1058 (talk) 02:30, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
• Reply. wbm1058. I mentioned those also here, so that, if the consensus settles on "reverse of what i requested" (i.e space instead of endash), then these pages could be moved to their redirect name. I think we should let this request complete (non-redirect part), then all remaining redirect discussion could be moved to section WP:Redirects for discussion. Amakuru, Doug Mehus and Dekimasu, could you please close this discussion as per consensus established above. Also, Doug Mehus, the Alt code for en dash is Alt+0150. Please see more on WP:HTMD. Vatsmaxed (talk) 05:30, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

  Vatsmaxed, Thanks! I found that on further Wikipedia article searching, although I had to go to the Main: namespace for that, not the project space. Doug Mehus T·C 15:59, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

  Okay, I've listed them, but only eleven of them ended up being redirects. I am kind of confused what you want done with the redirects, Vatsmaxed. If you want the target pages to all be named with en dashes per MOS:ENDASH? I looked through all eleven redirects and that's what we have. If you're just wanting to delete the left over redirects from page moves, well, I'm inclined to support keep as plausible misspellings. Note that any page move-created redirect that you created, you can tag, using Twinkle, for speedy deletion criterion #G7 as the author of the redirect page. Doug Mehus T·C 17:08, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

  The twelfth item, Delhi Noida Direct Flyway, redirects to DND Flyway. Both Delhi Noida Direct Flyway and Delhi–Noida Direct Flyway redirect to DND Flyway. I've struck this item from the list. If there is a desire to move DND Flyway to Delhi–Noida Direct Flyway, then that specific request should be made. – wbm1058 (talk) 02:18, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

  Wbm1058, Can we also strike those ones that are already at titles with endashes and which have redirects with spaces to them? Doug Mehus T·C 02:48, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

  I've removed the other 11 from the template, and thus also from the listing at WP:RM, and moved them to the "already done" section. – wbm1058 (talk) 04:35, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

  Vatsmaxed, There's emerging consensus here, in that there is no expressed opposition, but all of us have expressed opinions here so shouldn't close per WP:INVOLVED, I believe. I will, however, ping IJBall, a page moving editor, here to diarize this for January 18th (7 days) to assess the consensus and see if he wants to complete the move at that time? Doug Mehus T·C 16:03, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

  Vatsmaxed, Nevermind I see what you mean per wbm1058's reply above. I will list the redirects at RfD. Doug Mehus T·C 16:08, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

  Dmehus Ah ok, anyways I have replied at WP:RD Vatsmaxed (talk) 07:48, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

  As the other discussion at Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2020_January_15#Amaravati_Anantapur_Expressway has been closed with keep option, so these all should be renamed as "Expressway" and NOT "expressway".

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