Talk:Abraham Flexner

New content

I reverted newly added content earlier because it looked like "cut and paste". However, the second try to add new material looks better integrated and wikified (even it could use more wikifying). It would be helpful for posterity if the author explained here where the content came from. We have to ensure that we're writing content in our own words and respecting copyrights. Thanks! Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 02:36, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Edits and Comments for Education Program:Johns Hopkins University/Freshman Seminar: Johns Hopkins Medicine (Spring 2015)

Aneekpatel and I plan to address all of our concerns below and to improve Abraham Flexner as best we can in the following weeks as a part of our course. We'll also be adding plans, brainstorming sources and explaining our edits in this section. Please don't hesitate to give us feedback, we'd really appreciate it! Sdoman1 (talk) 02:19, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

Edited Experimental Schooling

Added more information about "Mr. Flexner's School", along with small additional details about his undergraduate education. Also made small changes to existing content, including adding hyperlinks and citations. Aneekpatel (talk) 02:09, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Suggested Improvements

(As part of an assignment for a freshman seminar at Johns Hopkins)

• The article is missing citations in most of its sections, and the citations that do exist need to be edited and some combined into one
• The bibliography is missing information about each source, such as authors
• The article has several grammatical and syntactical issues that require editing and rewriting
• Flexner was a major figure in higher education reform in the 20th century and this should be addressed in more length
• More information about each stage of his career could be sectioned and expanded upon
• All of the sections are quite sparse especially his role in the founding of the Institute for advanced study
• Several links are to pages that do not exist
• The legacy section could be combined into his personal/early life and other areas
• Due to the lack of citations the information may be biased and unsubstantiated, especially regarding Flexner's feelings and opinions

Sdoman1 (talk) 03:44, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Since you have a good grasp of what needs to be fixed, feel free to WP:FIXIT. Don't mean to bust your chops -- this is just the wiki way. Thanks for your review. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 04:26, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Stevie is the man! We plan to do our best to address all of our suggested improvements. Let us know if you have any suggestions or concerns! Thanks for the feedback! Sdoman1 (talk) 02:14, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

Additional Improvements

(Also a part of a Johns Hopkins University history assignment)

• Flexner had a relatively long term plan to work with Pritchett, and this is not reflected well when the section jumps right into the Flexner Report
• No reference for his death
• Perhaps the sections have his books can be consolidated in a larger section called "Contributions" with each book bring a subsection
• Citation needed for "Universities: American, English, German"
• The Legacy section would be a great place to discuss the race and gender implications of Flexner's report, along with the change it spurned in the US medical education system.

Aneekpatel (talk) 15:29, 4 March 2015 (UTC) I'd love feedback on these changes!

Bibliography in Progress

1. "Abraham Flexner". Institute for Advanced Study. Institute for Advanced Study.
2. "Abraham Flexner, M.D.(Hon.), LL.D., Litt.D.". The British Medical Journal. 2 (5152): 637–638. October 3, 1959.
3. Chapman, Carleton B. (1974). "The Flexner Report by Abraham Flexner". Daedalus. 103 (1): 105–117.
4. Parker, Franklin (December 1962). "Abraham Flexner, 1866-1959". History of Education Quarterly. 2 (4): 199–209. doi:10.1017/S001826800000100X.
5. Dejnozka, Edward L. (October 1978). "Some Prescriptions for Improving Teacher Education: Abraham Flexner Assisting". Peabody Journal of Education. 56 (1): 45–49. doi:10.1080/01619567809538219.
6. Gardner, John W (February 26, 1960). "Abraham Flexner, Pioneer in Educational Reform". Science. 131 (3400): 594–595. Bibcode:1960Sci...131..594G. doi:10.1126/science.131.3400.594. PMID 13826529.
7. Zelenka, M. H. (2008). The Educational Philosophy of Abraham Flexner: Creating Cogency in Medical Education. Lewiston, Maine: Edwin Mellen Press. ISBN 9780773451841.
8. Stahnisch, Frank W; Verhoef, Marja (2012). "The Flexner Report of 1910 and Its Impact on Complementary and Alternative Medicine and Psychiatry in North America in the 20th Century". Evidence-Based Complementary and Alternative Medicine.
9. Bonner, Thomas Neville (2002). Iconoclast: Abraham Flexner and a Life in Learning. Baltimore: Johns Hopkins University Press. p. 432. ISBN 0801871247.
10. Miller, Lynn E (2012). "Revisiting Black Medical School Extinctions in the Flexner Era". Journal of the History of Medicine and Allied Sciences. 67 (2): 343.

Sdoman1 (talk) 01:18, 11 March 2015 (UTC) Aneekpatel (talk) 04:52, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

Critique

Overall, this article successfully covers the multiple facets of Flexner's life. However, some expansion could be made on certain aspects. It is mentioned in the beginning paragraph that Flexner published the Flexner Report, but it fails to address the interesting fact that he was selected without having a background in medicine. One small edit is that Louisville National Medical College is in blue, but there is no existing page for it. Also, we think it would be beneficial to not only address the legacy of Flexner in the "Legacy" section, but also the legacy of the Flexner Report. The Flexner Report was the standard medical schools were held to for many years after it was published. The Flexner Report also resulted in racial and gender tension that had an impact on society at the time. This would be a good topic to touch on. (Cduke15 (talk) 15:36, 8 April 2015 (UTC))

Peer Review

Hi guys! I think your page looks nice. You have made some great improvements! I don't have any specific suggestions. Just keep adding any information you find necessary and keep up the good work! Ahong11 (talk) 18:18, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

PEER REVIEW

Hey guys, just a couple of suggestions: In the "death" section, you could elaborate a bit more and possibly talk about Flexner's cause of death. Also in the section about the flexner report, you could maybe add a couple of quotes from the report itself that highlight its most important points. Other than that I think that the article looks very complete. good work guys! Rschwa99 (talk) 01:49, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

Another Peer Review

Nice additions. Some reformatting suggestions:

• The lead section should be condensed to one paragraph. It looks a little strange with the first sentence on its own.
• Career should be a separate section from biography.
• The "Bibliography", "Further reading", "References", and "See also" sections are slightly overwhelming. I think everything in "Bibliography" can be moved to "Further reading".

Good work! Jdeales1 (talk) 03:19, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

More peer review

Great job on this!!

Besides just adding more info, the one thing I would say is to split up everything that's under "biography". I think career should be its own heading, especially since it currently has 5 subheadings.

LRoskes (talk) 15:39, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

Peer Edit

This article has been designed very well and has more than enough information. I also found the bibliography a bit dense, so some sub-headings would do some good for the article. The further reading and references section is also very well put together and extensive, which is great! Good luck with the final touches. Rserafi2 (talk) 21:33, 4 May 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.220.159.83 (talk)

Peer Review

The article is looking awesome, guys! I would recommend searching for more information on his early life, which is the only section that seems to lack information. Aside from that, it seems to have enough on all other areas. Also, I would recommend searching for hyperlinks as much as possible, like on the References for example. Finally, I don't think the table on Medical Education at the end of the article is necessary/contributes anything on Flexner himself. Overall, looks great! (Amunizr1 (talk) 14:56, 5 May 2015 (UTC))

Peer Review

Hey guys! This article looks great. My only suggestion would be adding a little more information about the broad influence that the Flexner report had. You could maybe include the statistics on how many medical schools closed as a result of the report. Aflynn2 (talk) 17:38, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Peer Review

The article is looking great! The content and structure are great! I would suggest removing the chart at the bottom about medical education. Also, the lead paragraph is a little bit long. Other than that, well done! Devynbell114 (talk) 22:39, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Peer Review

Everything in this article looks great and the only small thing I can think of is maybe to change the label of the legacy section considering almost all of it is what the effects of the flexner report were. Apatera517 (talk) 16:57, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Peer Review

This is all around a great article, the layout is well done and it look really good with how all the paragraphs are seperated and the tittles make sense in the order they are in. My only suggestion would be to maybe move some information from the introduction paragraph down into the biography to make the introduction just a little more brief. Jtino55 (talk) 02:52, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Peer Review

This article looks really good so far! There is definitely an ample amount of useful information incorporated into the article. One suggestion would be to divide the legacy section into his legacy and the legacy of the flexner report. I would also cut down the introduction paragraph a little. Good job! Cduke15 (talk) 03:06, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Peer Review

This article looks amazing. One quick piece of advice would be to add more information about his early life. I would like to know some more about that. other than that it looks great. Good Work !128.220.159.83 (talk) 03:40, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Influence on Europe

I wanted to change "Bonner (2002)" to "medical historian Thomas Neville Bonner states...." Then I realized the paragraph uses citations from the Bonner 1998 article in the [hyperlinked format] amidst in-text citations for "Bonner 2002"... wanted to clear this up but I don't want to step on any toes. Thanks guys! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sasquatchwithalopecia (talk • contribs) 05:35, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

Restored text

I just restored (diff) some text which was previously deleted (diff). It seems worth a bit more explanation than is suitable as an edit summary:

The phrase noted as the reason for deletion (“ignorant and unfortunate“) is from the next passage, below this one. The two passages address the same matter, but have separate sources. So the first passage is appropriately compared to its own source, not just to a different passage from a different source.

Additionally, these particular passages are about Flexner’s views. Reporting how he communicated them is necessary, and does not imply that his views and/or his choice of words were factually accurate. (Not to mention, ignoring stereotypes doesn’t make them go away – it enables them to thrive unchecked.) 2600:1001:B10C:E5DF:E5B6:C9FC:C9B9:E9D4 (talk) 05:05, 1 July 2022 (UTC)