Talk:2024 Columbia University pro-Palestinian campus occupation

"caused by anti Zionist sentiment"

In the infobox the first cause mentioned is antizionism. Wouldn't this be better phrased as anti-genocide and anti-apartheid? 2A02:A03F:6617:9501:F1DE:1112:C6A5:8140 (talk) 19:25, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

No. Do you know what genocide is? I guess not.. bc there's no objective way to claim what happens in Gaza is a genocide.

Same goes to the apartheid argument- how is it possible to claim apartheid if up until the war (initiated by Hamas) there were no Israelis in Gaza (no politicians nor army).

I don't mean to insult you, but it's very important that Wikipedia will remain a source of reliable information, and not rewritten by ignorants (which again, it's not an insult, just a request for you to educate yourself before editing a topic you're ignorant of). 2A0D:6FC2:4450:FA00:3F2E:305C:4A5C:D7F (talk) 08:25, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

‘Yes, it is genocide’ in Gaza says Israeli professor of Holocaust studies Iskandar323 (talk) 19:02, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

I think we should write about what specific reliable sources say about these protests and their causes. Although question of genocide and apartheid are connected to the larger pro-Palestinian protests, I haven't seen that naming them as such specifically is warranted. BaronRudor (talk) 13:27, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

"Anti-Zionism" basically covers all of that Evaporation123 (talk) 20:55, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia being the mouthpiece of american imperialism stands with the state of Israel unequivocally. So, everything will be framed in a very specific way that promotes their agenda. 2A02:85F:E058:1000:F13B:9676:7FF6:7B7E (talk) 17:29, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 30 April 2024

Put the College of William and Mary into the map of universities in protest as blue. It has had many Israel-Hamas war protests, including a disruption organized by W&M SJP of a meeting with former Secretary of Defense Robert Gates:

https://flathatnews.com/2023/11/06/finding-community-amidst-conflict-israel-palestine-war-sparks-student-protests-vigils-fundraisers/

https://flathatnews.com/2024/01/23/cvrp-places-students-for-justice-in-palestine-on-probation-campus-organizations-emphasize-need-for-safe-spaces/ Raginbakin (talk) 04:46, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: This may not be obvious, but the source for the map isn't part of this page - it is an excerpt from this article, so requests to change it should be made on that talk page.

These sources discuss protests during and prior to January 2024. However, the caption under the map says it shows campuses with protests in April 2024. Unless there have been more recent demonstrations William and Mary shouldn't be added. Jamedeus (talk) 21:17, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Outdated lead

The lead doesn't successfully summarise the body per MOS:INTRO, specifically most of the second paragraph would be better placed under the section The encampment and the timeline of events should be summarised into a second paragraph, given it is most of the content.

For example similar to the second lead paragraph of the "main article" on the campus protests, which is a summary of the body based on most notable aspects of the protests. To clarify, I'm not suggesting another paragraph, as based on WP:LEADSIZE three should be more than enough, and otherwise the MOS:OPEN looks fine. Thoughts? CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 14:24, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Consider this over?

As far as I know, the NYPD busted in an arrested everyone, shouldn't that count as an end to this? Unless, that is, I don't have all the information. BurnerAcountOneThousandAndOne (talk) 05:11, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

likely too soon to know. protestors were arrested on day one, and it started up again almost immediately. Jjazz76 (talk) 05:49, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 1 May 2024

NYPD/Mayor Eric Adams has reported at a 9AM press conference that during the "Operation Columbia" where they went into Hamilton Hall, 119 were arrested. Please change "over 100" to 119. Squiddyonwiki (talk) 14:08, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

please provide a link to the source that you've read Abo Yemen✉ 14:11, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Full numbers cited here (apologies I had a typo; it's 109 not 119, according to police): https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/columbia-university-protests-nypd-arrests/

here is a full live stream of the press conference this morning: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhAcFPVCVVE Squiddyonwiki (talk) 17:30, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

The Facilities worker they took hostage

https://www.columbiaspectator.com/news/2024/04/30/dozens-occupy-hamilton-hall-as-pro-palestinian-protests-spread-across-campus/ https://www.foxnews.com/us/columbia-university-facilities-worker-speaks-terror-takeover-held-hostage

"A Facilities worker who was in the building exited the building at around 12:40 a.m., after shouting at the protesters occupying the Hamilton lobby to let him leave. As he left Hamilton, he yelled at the crowd, “They held me hostage.” 79.176.106.171 (talk) 18:12, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Fox News is unreliable and the Columbia Spectator page is just buffering for me - maybe their servers have been swamped with traffic, so hard to assess. If true, it would echo 1968, when the dean was held captive. Iskandar323 (talk) 18:17, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

there are picture of them attacking the Facilities worker in the article.... 79.176.106.171 (talk) 10:14, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

it should be noted, they swamped building for occupation at 12:30 AM, as per columbia spectator article.

That means they kidnapped the worker for 10 minutes. User:Sawerchessread (talk) 18:24, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

facilities member and students section in the article https://bwog.com/2024/04/live-updates-gaza-solidarity-encampment-day-13/ 128.59.178.128 (talk) 18:26, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

So they claimed to be taken hostage, and then other people who were studying or otherwise occupied in the building just left absolutely normally 20 minutes later? I'm not sure it's possible to buy into the level of claimed duress here. Iskandar323 (talk) 18:58, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

The facilities person was certainly under duress, but as for the students, they were a part of one of the school's newspapers according to students around campus. 209.2.225.92 (talk) 20:01, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

"they kidnapped the worker for 10 minutes"

well, even kidnaping for 10 minutes is an illegal activity.

"your right ends where the right of others begin"

what they have done called Imprisonment, you should look it up... 79.176.106.171 (talk) 10:20, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Adding Shafik Communications To Columbia Students

https://bwog.com/2024/05/president-shafik-thanks-nypd-for-professionalism-hoping-columbia-will-heal-together/ 128.59.178.128 (talk) 18:24, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

This might be good to add about Shafik's response in the most recent update. 209.2.225.92 (talk) 20:01, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Add the demand of protest for "food-aid" for protestors

the article only state that the protests demanding the university divest from Israel

a, the protest demands 3 things but only 1 is stated in the article

"PROTEST DEMANDS Protesters were seeking three demands from Columbia: divestment from companies supporting Israel's government, greater transparency in university finances, and amnesty for students and faculty disciplined over the protests."

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/pro-palestinian-protesters-occupy-building-columbia-university-cnn-2024-04-30/

b, beside thus 3 demands that came before the take over of the hall, during the occupation they have added a new demand which I think should be mentioned in this article:

"Pro-Palestinian protesters occupying Columbia University's Hamilton Hall have demanded that the university allow food and water to be brought to them, framing it as "basic humanitarian aid.""

https://www.indiatoday.in/world/story/columbia-university-students-pro-palestinian-protesters-demand-food-occupy-hamilton-hall-israel-hamas-war-2533769-2024-05-01 79.176.106.171 (talk) 19:07, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 2 May 2024

Israel-Gaza war 197.35.224.149 (talk) 04:50, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. EvergreenFir (talk) 04:57, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Cherrypicking

Interesting how the "antisemitic" incidents are highlighted, but not the violent attacks and racism by pro-Israel mobs. Makeandtoss (talk) 09:47, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

I suggest making a new section mentioning the pro-Israeli violence and islamophobia so we can balance it out Abo Yemen✉ 10:00, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Bad Wording on

in the opening pargraph it is written:

The arrests marked the first time Columbia allowed police to suppress campus protests since the 1968 demonstrations against the Vietnam War.

the current phrasing puts the blame for suppressing the riots on Colombia for "allowing" the police to come, and not for the student who copied the Hamilton hall.

was there another time student broke into Hamilton hall since 1968 but police was not allowed to suppress the riots? 79.176.106.171 (talk) 10:12, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

See making edit requests. Edit requests most likely to succeed are those that are 'Specific, Uncontroversial, Necessary, Sensible' per WP:EDITXY. Your should include your proposed wording with the justification for the change. But about the justification, where is the blame in the statement? I don't think it is there. I think you are probably adding information to the statement that is not present. I don't know, but perhaps Columbia has to invite the police onto the campus because it is private property. Sean.hoyland (talk) 10:21, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 2 May 2024 (2)

Under "Injuries: Multiple protesters exposed to tear gas." There was no tear gas used. Use of tear gas is against New York City policy, even during civil unrest. Injuries were from concussion/stun grenades and pepper spray.

Source: https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/04/30/nyregion/columbia-protests-college https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/5/1/new-york-city-police-enter-columbia-campus-as-gaza-protest-escalates https://abc7ny.com/columbia-university-protests-protesters-occupy-hamilton-hall-hours-after-encampment-deadline/14744812/ Jeszie L (talk) 20:03, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Infobox "Parties" and New York Hostage and Missing Families Forum

In the infobox, where it lists the "Parties" involved, New York Hostage and Missing Families Forum shouldn't necessarily be listed under the "Pro-Israel" section. New York Hostage and Missing Families Forum wasn't counterprotesting the Gaza Solidarity Encampment per se. They're a group comprised of New York family members of Israeli hostages held in Gaza, and the Forum held a rally on a street outside of the Columbia University campus on April 26. New York Hostage and Missing Families Forum are "Pro-Israel" in that the hostages are Israeli citizens, some of the family members are Israeli Americans, and some of the rally participants carried Israeli flags. The Forum are pro-hostage release and anti-Hamas. But some of the family members, and even the hostages themselves, are anti-Netanyahu, pro-peace, and in solidarity with the Gazan people that are suffering. In fact, the Hostage and Missing Families Forum in both Israel and the US have been very critical of the Israeli government. And in the source cited in this Wikipedia article, it said one of the Forum rally participants who is a Columbia student said that "Jews and Israelis want a ceasefire." The student was quoted as saying, "I'm reminding my fellow classmates something that they may have overlooked. In order for there to be a ceasefire, all 133 hostages need to be home." [1] So it really depends on what is meant by "Pro-Israel". I think for clarity, maybe it would better to put New York Hostage and Missing Families Forum in a separate section titled "Other Groups". Their website says they are "volunteer-based and laser-focused on bringing the hostages back home to their families".[2] I didn't want to make any edits without bringing it up here first. Serenity9096 (talk) 07:14, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Also, I just realized I'm not eligible to edit this Wikipedia article but I can edit the Talk page. Serenity9096 (talk) 07:26, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Missing protestors demands for amnesty

it is written that's Colombia university offered partial amnesty but it's not written that it was part of protestors demands.

My suggestion is add:

"Another key demand of the movement at Columbia is amnesty for students who have been punished (including with suspensions) by the university for their activism around Palestine."

Or:

"At Columbia, the protests have been organized by a coalition of over 100 student groups called Columbia University Apartheid Divest (CUAD). The group has been seeking three main demands from the university: divestment from companies supporting Israel’s government, greater transparency in university finances, and amnesty for students and faculty disciplined over the protests. " Source supporting this argument

https://indianexpress.com/article/world/us-college-protests-columbia-university-arrests-all-you-need-to-know-9300397/#google_vignette https://apnews.com/article/student-protest-gaza-war-arrest-amnesty-ae235703d6a9b99114078fca13a530a0

https://www.leftvoice.org/columbia-students-occupy-hamilton-hall-down-with-repression-and-for-full-divestment-and-amnesty/ 212.29.194.49 (talk) 12:36, 3 May 2024 (UTC)