Talk:2021 Henan floods
Latest comment: 2 years ago by Truthanado in topic Proposed merge of 2021 China floods with July 2021 Henan floods
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Proposed merge of 2021 China floods with July 2021 Henan floods edit
These articles cover the same floods. Citing (talk) 03:14, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
- The 2021 China floods article provides an overview of floods in several different areas of China, while the July 2021 Henan floods article provides detailed coverage of the floods in Henan province, in particular in Zhengzhou, Xinxiang and Kaifeng. These two articles are different and should be kept that way. Truthanado (talk) 19:49, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
The article says a red rainstorm warning was issued, then "upgraded" to an orange rainstorm warning. I don't know how China's meteorological warning system works, but wouldn't red indicate a more immediate danger than orange? 2601:14D:480:C0D0:DC70:BE07:32BA:5503 (talk) 01:42, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
- It was all known. All the science is there. Only local corruption stopped the dam from warning the public about the upcoming flood. First the dam wasn't emptied first to prepare, because that would lose them money, and second no warning was sent becuase that would make the water discarge schedule and the dam liable for any damages. Instead the dam was unprepared and the dischage "unscheduled"Carewolf (talk) 20:57, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
Chinese media may fake again edit
On July 25, 2021, Chinese media reported that on July 22, a BBC reporter reported a rumor that “passengers on the subway were thrown onto the platform and waited to die”. Chinese netizens urge the BBC not to deliberately discredit China. Please use facts to tell the truth about the Zhengzhou flood. Although I read the BBC report on July 22, I don't know where the Chinese media news came from? Bagida520 (talk) 12:57, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
- I researched this issue and only found the following BBC article, (see https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-57920412). The article itself did not seem to discredit China but simply reported the news and cited to individuals who were present. I also could not find media from China that discredited this article or another article by BBC. If you have a citation, that would be helpful to further explore this issue. Jurisdicta (talk) 04:46, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
- I've read other Chinese media reports.They said that BBC reporter Robin Brandt went to the subway station on the night of July 22 to report. He said, "One of the most disturbing questions is why, at one of the stations on this metro line, a subway system that is less than 10 years old, so much rainwater is pouring in that passengers will be left on the platform to die. "However, the Chinese media simply excerpted the statement that 'passengers will be left on the platform to die' and trumpeted the BBC's smear campaign against China. The BBC's Chinese website was removed from its YouTube channel after criticism from Chinese netizens. You can also check out Robin Brandt's tweet from July 22nd.Bagida520 (talk) 03:03, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
- @Bagida520:, I think there may have been a miscommunication or botched translation of some sort here... The BBC wording was to the effect that the flood was so sudden that rescue was rendered effectively impossible - it was not an implication of a callous or sangfroid decision to simply let people die. 69.172.145.94 (talk) 07:34, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
- In fact, many Chinese-language media now report that as long as someone publishes a word that Chinese people do not like, Chinese netizens will say that they are insulting China.The BBC claims that "Metro passengers were thrown onto the platform and waited to die", violating the taboo of Chinese netizens.The Chinese media also incited the people out of context. They wrote in the title: "The BBC reporter said that Chinese subway passengers will be left on the platform to wait for death." Then they reported that Chinese netizens accused the BBC News of fraud, but the subway passengers did not die, saying that the BBC had smeared China. Therefore, many nationalist Chinese netizens angrily criticized the BBC after seeing it.
- @Bagida520:, I think there may have been a miscommunication or botched translation of some sort here... The BBC wording was to the effect that the flood was so sudden that rescue was rendered effectively impossible - it was not an implication of a callous or sangfroid decision to simply let people die. 69.172.145.94 (talk) 07:34, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
- I've read other Chinese media reports.They said that BBC reporter Robin Brandt went to the subway station on the night of July 22 to report. He said, "One of the most disturbing questions is why, at one of the stations on this metro line, a subway system that is less than 10 years old, so much rainwater is pouring in that passengers will be left on the platform to die. "However, the Chinese media simply excerpted the statement that 'passengers will be left on the platform to die' and trumpeted the BBC's smear campaign against China. The BBC's Chinese website was removed from its YouTube channel after criticism from Chinese netizens. You can also check out Robin Brandt's tweet from July 22nd.Bagida520 (talk) 03:03, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
To add to article edit
To add to this article: how many people died in subway tunnels in Zhengzhou, Henan? 173.88.246.138 (talk) 03:06, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
- We don't know. The local authorities have released what seem to be impossibly low figures given the tunnel was extremely busy and flooded quickly. John Smith's (talk) 08:00, 30 July 2021 (UTC)