Talk:2020 EFL League One play-off final

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:2020 EFL League One play-off Final/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: MWright96 (talk · contribs) 08:52, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

Going to review this one as well. MWright96 (talk) 08:52, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

Lead

• Wikilink the first mention of the term promotion to the relevant article

  Done. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 11:09, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

• Should London really be wikilinked?

  No, unlinked. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 11:09, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

Route to the final

• "clubs in EFL League One and League Two, the third and fourth tiers of the English football league system, voted to curtail the season, meaning the final table would be calculated by a points-per-game (PPG) method, with the play-offs being played between the clubs" - try to use a different word than clubs for a second time for variety

  Done. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 11:09, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

• "to determine the third promoted team.[7][2]" - refs in numerical order please

  Done. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 11:09, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

• "but Marcus Browne equalised minutes before half-time." - how many minutes exactly?

  Done. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 11:09, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

• "Fleetwood were reduced to nine men as Paddy Madden received his second yellow card," - what did Madden do to receive a second yellow card?

  Done. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 11:09, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

Background

• Wikilink the first mention of the term assist to Assist (association football)

  Done. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 11:09, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

• "having made the most passes during the season, while Wycombe's approach was more direct, having scored 24 times from set pieces throughout the season." - repetition of the word "season"

  Done. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 11:09, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

• Wikilink behind closed doors to the relevant article

  Done. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 11:09, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

• "Robinson made one change to his team from the second play-off semi-final, with Taylor replacing Jamie Mackie in Oxford's starting lineup, while Wycombe's 'team" - repetition of the word "team"

  Done. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 11:09, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

First half

• Wikilink volley, header and sliding tackle to the relevant articles

  Done. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 11:09, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

• "Four minutes later, Wycombe took the lead:" - BBC Sport says it its 9 minutes at the top of the page while saying 10 in the live feed. Which is correct?

  Nine. Corroborated with the Sky Sports report too.The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 11:09, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

Second half

• Wikilink substitutions, cross and free kick to the relevant articles

  Done. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 11:09, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

• "Heavy rain began to fall" - when did it start raining?

  It doesn't say when it started, just that it was reported to be heavy rain late in the second half. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 11:09, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

Post-match

• "Jacobson, scorer of the winning goal reflected on his spot kick" - shouldn't there be a second comma after the word "goal"

  Done. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 11:09, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

References

• Reference 1 is missing the date it was published and the author

  Done. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 11:09, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

Am going to place the review on hold to allow the nominator to respond/query the points raised above. MWright96 (talk) 10:42, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

MWright96 thanks once again, I think I addressed and/or responded to each of your comments. Cheers. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 11:09, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

@The Rambling Man: Now promoting to GA class. MWright96 (talk) 12:02, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 23:39, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

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• ... that the 2020 EFL League One play-off Final was played at Wembley Stadium in front of zero paying spectators? Source: https://www.efl.com/news/2020/july/feature-wycombes-historic-night-under-the-arch/
  • ALT1:... that the 2020 EFL League One play-off Final saw Wycombe Wanderers promoted to the second tier of English football for the first time in their 133-year history? Source: https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/53381170
  • ALT2:... that Wycombe Wanderers qualified for the 2020 EFL League One play-off Final and were promoted when the rules were changed? Source: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/jun/09/league-two-league-one-clubs-vote-to-curtail-season-promotion-relegation-hold-play-offs

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Apple Face Shield

Improved to Good Article status by The Rambling Man (talk). Nominated by Valereee (talk) at 15:02, 29 July 2020 (UTC).

• Hi Valereee, article is of good quality and promoted to GA on 25 July; no issues with citations or copyright violations form a spot check on sources; I've struck ALT3 as it was a bit confusing without going into detail on the rule change. One issue I found with ALT1 is that the 133 year history of Wycombe is only mentioned in the lead and not cited in the article? - Dumelow (talk) 07:18, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Thank you! —valereee (talk) 09:59, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Should be good to go now, Dumelow! —valereee (talk) 10:04, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

A QPQ has been carried out (the article was subsequently deleted as non-notable but I don't think that could/should have been picked up in a DYK review); no issues here. One suggestion, I think that ALT0 might be improved by adding "90,000-capacity" in front of "Wembley Stadium" but I am happy to pass this without - Dumelow (talk) 10:45, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

dyk

The Rambling Man, see Dumelow's query about the 133 years needing a citation somewhere. —valereee (talk) 09:58, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Flag icons?

I am looking for an adequately reliable source that would provide the declared nationalities of each of the players who played in this match, so I can add the corresponding flag icons to the match details section. I have already tried citing both clubs' websites (which list their first-team rosters for the 19-20 season, including players' nationalities); however, The Rambling Man informed me that they do not consider these sources to be 'reliable' when it comes to players' nationalities. Would anything off of TransferMarkt (specifically, this link and this link) &/or Sky Sports (this link and this link) work for providing nationalities in this case? Thanks in advance CitizenKang414 (talk) 23:06, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

TransferMarkt is not RS. The Sky Sports link doesn't have their nationalities mentioned at all. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 23:08, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

That's the thing... you can find nationalities on the Sky Sports squad pages, but only if you click on each specific player. Same goes for the club website sources that I tried out earlier. Unless I were to insert the link for literally EVERY SINGLE PLAYER as sources, I am not sure how I would, realistically, cite these in an article. CitizenKang414 (talk) 23:11, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

Indeed. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 23:16, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

Question. Just curious: Could someone please point out to me the exact section of the guidelines listed at WP:MOSFLAG which indicates that the flags for sporting nationalities should be deleted from final articles if they lack sources? CitizenKang414 (talk) 00:06, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

I have seen several instances wherein an editor deletes the players' flag icons and, in the edit summary, simply cites "WP:MOSFLAG" as the reason for deletion without any further explanation. I just wanted to know which specific part of WP:MOSFLAG is being cited here. CitizenKang414 (talk) 00:09, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

The very first paragraph- "Flag icons may be relevant in some subject areas, where the subject actually represents that country or nationality". In a play-off final, nobody is representing any country.--Egghead06 (talk) 05:55, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

I suppose that is true, although granted, whether or not a player is "representing"–– or merely should by identified by–– his/her country is debatable. Point taken, though. CitizenKang414 (talk) 18:16, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

In this specific context, it's not relevant. Indeed, it might give the impression that all of them are internationals. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 19:04, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

@The Rambling Man That's actually a very good point! CitizenKang414 (talk) 22:43, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

I know! The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 22:44, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

Update – I have re-added the flag icons (1.5 yr later lol), because as per 2021 EFL League One play-off Final and 2021 EFL Championship play-off Final, it would appear that including the flag icons in the player line-ups does not exclude the article from Good Article criteria. CitizenKang414 (talk) 16:17, 16 February 2022 (UTC)