Talk:2012 Australian Open

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18 and 19 January matches edit

Latest comment: 12 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Can you someone edit the completed and scheduled matches of the past 24 hours at 4:00 pm AEST on 18 January to 4:00 pm AEST on 19 January? We're back due to SOPA and PIPA protests in the United States. ApprenticeFan ^work 05:06, 19 January 2012 (UTC)Reply

Factual accuracy problem edit

Latest comment: 12 years ago6 comments3 people in discussion

I have tagged this article for disputed factual accuracy. Names with diacritics are used throughout this article, but none of the sources on which this article is based has diacritics in the names. The same problem also occurs in all the draw articles, which are also based on non-diacritic sources. MakeSense64 (talk) 10:30, 12 March 2012 (UTC)Reply

That is an incredibly WP:POINTY thing to do. This is a style issue that is best discussed and resolved on a project wide basis (and this is ongoing, which you are aware of as you are participating in the discussion). The dubious tag is for factual errors (i.e. the player that won, not the spelling on said player). Resolve the issue on a project wide basis, and then when a consensus has been reached there you can apply it through all the pages on the project. Ravendrop 11:34, 12 March 2012 (UTC)Reply

As you want. But isn't it at least equally pointy that only the names of certain nationality players have been given diacritics, while others not. Tipsarevic is with diacritic and Djokovic is not. Both are Serbian.

Manual of style demands that if we use diacritics we should use them consistently. This is not consistent. And as for solving it on a project wide basis first, that has been done long before I came here, but the resulting guidelines are being negated and outside editors come in to add diacritics where they see fit. Fact is that the sources in this article do not mention many of the names given in this article. It is a potpourri. MakeSense64 (talk) 12:57, 12 March 2012 (UTC)Reply

I'm not disagreeing with you on the inconsistency. I'm just saying that you're intentions here could be easily misunderstood and only lead to further problems. I've just followed a number of these debates across different projects (oddly they all seem to reach different conclusions) and have seen moves such as you did side track the conversation and lead to bad faith assumptions and attacks. Note that I'm not saying you did, it's just better not to stir the pot on the diacritic issue; it seems to bring out incredibly heated opinions on both sides. Ravendrop 13:12, 12 March 2012 (UTC)Reply

No problem. I think the diacritics issue is completely different in sports, where players are routinely pitted against each other and thus we cannot avoid mentioning their names together very often, leading to inevitable inconsistencies if we have no consistent naming policy..; and for examples names of authors or scientists, who are by definition more 'stand alone', so we can just name them the way they are named. This particular problem comes to its peak in tournament articles like this one, where we have to mention a lot of different player's names in one article. It becomes an ugly read and it is an issue that has to be addressed, no matter what comes out of the discussion on individual tennis player naming issues. MakeSense64 (talk) 13:25, 12 March 2012 (UTC)Reply

My only comment is that your statement "resolve the issue on a project wide basis" is a gross error. "Project wide" there is no problem. Consensus has been non-diacritic for years and years and it's in the Tennis project guidelines. The problem is one editor from tennis project that has lots of "diacritic everything" non-tennis friends (many non English) that disregard our consensus and guidelines. The project already has rulings on this. Fyunck(click) (talk) 18:53, 12 March 2012 (UTC)Reply

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