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Archive 1

Geonotice

I have requested a geonotice at Wikipedia:Geonotice#WP:GLAM/Freopedia. Please add better suggestions for the message. John Vandenberg ^(chat) 14:14, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Great! I think it reads well as you put it, John. Thanks for requesting it.  :-) Sam Wilson 00:57, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

The geonotice should be live now. Can someone confirm its working? We should also initiate a request a notice for this event. John Vandenberg ^(chat) 03:20, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Works for me. Hack (talk) 03:32, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Congrats

To Tuesday night persons - looking good! SatuSuro 11:14, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks!  :-) Was a good evening. Four of us there (well, three WP'ing). Added McDonald Smith Building, Fremantle Police Station complex, Fremantle Customs House, and more. Same time next week... Sam Wilson 12:53, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Category:Freopedia stubs

I just noticed this category and stub tag - this seems to me the kind of thing which would normally go in talk page banners, not a stub tag - we do not usually have mainspace categories for why an article was created, and what happens if/when some of these stubs are expanded to no longer be stubs? --Qetuth (talk) 01:54, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

like all stub tags once an article is expand the tag will be removed, these are Fremantle stubs which over laps the Freopedia work just like Perth stubs with {{PerthAU-stub}} and the 20000 or so other stub tags Gnangarra 04:05, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

I suppose then my issue is with the name - if it is a project cat then it should go in talkspace, but if it is not it should be using Fremantle, not Freopedia, in the name. (btw, what you guys are doing looks really interesting!) --Qetuth (talk) 04:33, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

{{Freopedia-stub}} and Category:Freopedia stubs

Moved from Template talk:Fremantle-stub and Category talk:Freopedia stubs

Inappropriate link to WP space

I do not believe that it is appropriate for [ {{Fremantle-stub}} ] - which is placed on articles - to link to WP:Freo which is not in article space. In particular, WP:LINKSTYLE says "Do not create links to user or wikiproject pages in articles ..." Mitch Ames (talk) 09:19, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

... and so I've deleted the link. Perhaps there should be a suitable template on each article's Talk page instead. Mitch Ames (talk) 09:24, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

... and renamed this template from Freopedia... to Fremantle... Mitch Ames (talk) 09:28, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

Name should not refer to project?

For the same reasons as I describe at Template talk:Fremantle-stub#Inappropriate link to WP space I think [ category:Freopedia stubs ] should not be named "Freopedia stubs" (referring to a WP project in article space, contrary to WP:LINKSTYLE), it should be "Fremantle stubs". However:

• I'm not confident enough with categories to simply rename it, especially since...
• It may have already been renamed in the other direction
• I'm unsure what if any automated connection there may be between this category and {{Freopedia-stub}} which I had already renamed before I noticed the category name.

Some feedback to my reasons for wanting to rename it would be appreciated. Ideally you'll all agree with me and rename this category accordingly, and possibly go and fix all the references to it. Mitch Ames (talk) 09:41, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

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In order to be consistent, {{Fremantle-stub}} should be edited to change |category=Freopedia stubs to |category=Fremantle stubs, with Category:Fremantle stubs being created.

There is no need to delete or rename Category:Freopedia stubs, it can be still be populated separately by Freopedia-related stubs (or their talk pages).

Project banners have been developed for articles that end up being QR-linked, and the organisations that will be linking them: {{Freopedia article}} and {{WikiProject Freopedia}}. Should Freopedia-related stubs have there talk pages marked with a similar banner? Perhaps also other articles with potential for QR linking which aren't stubs? - Evad37 (talk) 15:05, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

Are talk pages categorised independently of their article pages? It makes sense to have links to Freopedia from the talk page, but not from the article page (including the categories, by my interpretation of the intent of WP:LINKSTYLE). Mitch Ames (talk) 12:04, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Yes, talk pages are categorised independently. For example, Fremantle (suburb) is in Category:Suburbs of Perth, Western Australia and Category:Fremantle, whilst Talk:Fremantle (suburb) is in Category:Start-Class Australia articles, Category:Low-importance Australia articles, etc. WP:PROJCATS confirms that "Article pages should be kept out of administrative categories if possible. For example, the templates that generate WikiProject and assessment categories should be placed on talk pages, not on the articles themselves." - Evad37 (talk) 12:46, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

I've now changed {{Fremantle-stub}} to use Category:Fremantle stubs, and created {{Future Freopedia article}} to go on talk pages. Specifying |stub=yes will sort articles (talk pages) into Category:Freopedia stubs instead of Category:Potential Freopedia articles. - Evad37 (talk) 13:52, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

CfD nomination of Category:Freopedia stubs

Category:Freopedia stubs has been nominated for deletion, merging, or renaming. You are encouraged to join the discussion on the Categories for discussion page. - Evad37 (talk) 14:37, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

CFd closed - no change SatuSuro 09:03, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

There was changes made during the discussion which make no sense or have caused articles to be excluded from the original purpose of the template. Gnangarra 10:55, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

Any Freopedia news?

Is there any news on what's happening with Freopedia? In particular:

1. Is there an update on the material for the plaques?
2. What articles should we focus on improving? Do we know which ones are actually going to have a plaque?
3. When are future meetups / events, if any, plannned for?

There hasn't been much activity on the project page or this talk page since mid-December (which was basically just related to tagging articles (talk pages) and categories used).

BTW, for those interested in stats:

• Category:Freopedia stubs is up to 44 stubs, from about 30 odd (from memory) in November.
• Category:Potential Freopedia articles has 36 articles, which means 80 article talk pages have been tagged with {{Potential Freopedia article}}. This is 56% of the articles listed on the project page.
• The articles listed on the project page by subject are:

Places and things: 51 • Memorials and statues: 11 • Streets: 12 • Living people: 35 • Deceased people: 34 • Total: 143

- Evad37 (talk) 22:36, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

New printer has been sourced who uses sublimation printing, there are further events planned we are not yet in a position to make public announcements. Have no idea about this "potential Freopedia article" categories as it hasnt come from those organising, someone else will have to explain that list and what purpose it holds. Gnangarra 10:54, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

Articles with a project banner ({{Potential Freopedia article}} is a redirect) on their talk pages are categorised into Category:Potential Freopedia articles, or Category:Freopedia stubs if stub=yes is specified. This arose after {{Freopedia-stub}} was redirected to {{Fremantle-stub}} and basically taken over by WP:WikiProject Stub sorting, due to other wikipedians not liking "Freopedia" appearing in mainspace (see discussions above). Category:Freopedia stubs was CFD'd, but that discussion became quite messy and was closed with no change due to being too confusing for the closer.

If the project banner was in place on all our articles talk pages, with stub option specified for stubs, then we'd have a complete list of stubs by looking at Category:Freopedia stubs. The advantage of using this over stub templates on article pages is that we'll get less interference from other wikipedians (even if it is well intentioned), and it can be expanded for other article classes - start, C, etc. - if needed. - Evad37 (talk) 09:39, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

Launch

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Resolved

I'm surprised that there is no obvious mention of the upcoming "Launch ... of the Society’s FREOPEDIA project", on 26 May. (Search the program, downloadable from the heritage festival website for "Freopedia".) Mitch Ames (talk) 05:29, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

• • Its referred to by Brad Pettitt in the Welcoming, but the launch itself is an invite only event. Yes I've already recieved complaints from a number of WIkipedians about the lack of acknowledgement and recognition of our work. Gnangarra 06:09, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Is the invite-only launch something other than - or in addition to - the "launch" that is described on page 19 of the (aforementioned) program as:

Launch by Mayor Brad Pettitt of the Society’s FREOPEDIA project ... 

Mitch Ames (talk) 09:04, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

- thanks for the warning - there's no accounting for mixed messages in this thing - and what the potential/possible (sic) resultant hysterical council persons/catering facility arrangers who may have been told otherwise... sats 09:10, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks that will make things interesting, have notified The Society because the venue has capacity limit, and catering needs to be pre-ordered hence the need for an invite only event which was why there was restrictions as to how many wikipedians could be invited... Gnangarra 09:26, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

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Talk page banner on potential articles

Last year when {{Freopedia-stub}} was renamed as {{Fremantle-stub}}, a general Fremantle stub sorting tag, I put {{Potential Freopedia article}} (a modified version of the {{WikiProject Freopedia}} talk page banner) on articles' talk pages, which had previously been tagged as Freopedia stubs, as well as those listed on the project page. Now there are a whole lot of article talk pages with the message "This article has the potential to be linked to by one or more organisations, using QRpedia. For further information, please see Wikiproject Freopedia", which are sorted by the banner into Category:Potential Freopedia articles or its stubcategory, Category:Freopedia stubs (that has been nominated at Cfd for renaming [1]). Would it be better if instead of displaying a banner for these articles, the template just silently sorted the articles into these categories without displaying anything? - Evad37 (talk) 23:57, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

• the purpose of the template is ensure that articles just dont get moved around, merged or deleted without first seeking discussion here. As I'll be placing the order for the 140 plaques(~$5,000) this week we need something visual to ensure that plaque links arent made redundant, create a broken link or worse case cause us to remove them from the location(further costs). What ever the format though stub is a valid rating its not owned by Stubsort Gnangarra 07:02, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
  • Ok. Perhaps the template should show a different message for those that are actually on the list and ordered/being ordered, compared to those which are just under consideration - Evad37 (talk) 07:36, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

sounds good, especially as we are passed considering for some. Gnangarra 08:09, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

 Done: {{WikiProject Freopedia|confirmed}} can be used for those articles. (Wording can be adjusted) - Evad37 (talk) 11:50, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Awesome thanks, looks like I owe you a coffee :) Gnangarra 12:53, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Please add a banner to label this internal

Since you now have a redirect from the main namespace, would you please add a banner to the top of the page to indicate that this is not a Wikipedia article? It took me some time to figure out that it isn't one. QVVERTYVS (hm?) 10:42, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Move protection

Perhaps move protection should be applied to confirmed Freopedia articles. This would prevent accidental/unintentional page moves. Also note that Victoria Quay, which was moved earlier today, doesn't have a {{Freopedia}} banner. - Evad37 (talk) 02:23, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Support - confirmed articles do not need the issue of QR coded material being produced for articles that float around on the whim of editors not auf fait with the project or the ramifications of changing names or contexts. sats 02:25, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Also every confirmed article should have the banner {{Freopedia|confirmed}} on their talk page – is there a list of confirmed articles (ones with QR plaques either printed or ordered)? - Evad37 (talk) 02:38, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Did You Know...

• that Joseph Nunan, the Fremantle architect and ex Fenian convict, will be on the front page in the next 24 hours 10:00, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Freopedia and Wikitowns

Originally posted on a user talk page, moved here per that user's request [2]

Hi all - Everyone seems to watch here I think. John Cummings and I are giving a talk about Wikitowns at an open source conference in two weeks. As Freopedia seems to be such a growing success I wonder if someone would care to share : Top reasons its succeeding : Problems: Interesting anecdotes, etc. A couple of paragraphs would be great and more would be splendid. If there is stuff published then please point me at it. What I would really love is for someone to airmail a reject Freopedia plaque to us (do you have one?). I could supply an address by email and Id be happy to cover the postage. We have Monmouth, Gib and Joburg plaques so it would be good to see "the family."

Can I thank all those who have been sharing with me (e.g. Mitch Ames etc. I have created a number of new articles and there are still a few to appear at DYK over the next couple of weeks including Mary Higham, Fremantle Cemetery, Daniel Scott (harbour-master) and you may have seen others like John Bateman which has been written but not felt interesting enough to put on the front page.

Obviously full credit will be given in the talk .... but I'm not sure who to credit. Can you help? Victuallers (talk) 14:58, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

 Done email sent Gnangarra 13:14, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Freopedia listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Freopedia. Since you had some involvement with the Freopedia redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion (if you have not already done so). See also the entry above for the redirect Freopedia project. - Evad37 [talk] 05:14, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

mapping

I'm also interested in how the mapping was done for the streets in Freopedia. I like how they appear and wonder if you have a clever tool. Who is best to talk to?

In exchange - Do you use this? ... map of freo or do you have something better? Victuallers (talk) 14:58, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

The KML file were created using Google Earth, as described at Wikipedia:WikiProject U.S. Roads/Maps task force/Tutorial. The {{Attached KML}} template allows kml files to be displayed in WikiMiniAtlas, or on top of Google maps or Bing maps. That template's talk page is probably the best place to ask about KML in Wikipedia. - Evad37 (talk) 09:02, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

I'm also adding the plaque locations to OpenStreetMap. Sam Wilson 03:09, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Potential for QR code plaques

Curious about how you're going to stick a plaque on a person (dead or alive). :) Moondyne (talk) 00:41, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

QR code tattoos perhaps? [3]. Hack (talk) 01:05, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

I figured I'd just run around after them with a sign on a stick; get more visibility that way, surely? And bags not trying to tattoo John Curtin. (Actually, I think it'll be more like putting the plaques in places that have some significant connection to the person: near a statue, old place of residence, etc.) —Sam Wilson 01:29, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Like Moondyne (talk) 01:30, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Might be worth making a list of statues or memorials. Hack (talk) 01:35, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Some here. Moondyne (talk) 01:41, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

What's the process for selecting candidates for plaques? Is this ultimately a COF decision? Hack (talk) 00:50, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

At the end of the day, it's up to the property owners. In lots of cases (and where it's public land), that is the City; but there's plenty of others too. We're partly waiting to finalize what the plaques will be made of, before getting too stuck in to individual sites, because where they get installed will also depend on what they're made of. Roel knows more I think; I'll ask him. Sam Wilson 01:14, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Is there a published timeline for all of this? Incidentally who is we? Hack (talk) 04:37, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Fremantle Cemetery? Victuallers (talk) 12:27, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

We have QRpedia plaques alongside graves in the Congressional Cemetery in Washington DC. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:37, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Know your Freo History?

On Wednesday 14th May - www.fremantleasitwas.com - appears to be conducting a quiz night at the Freo Italian Club...

The design of the card advertising this event has a phrenological layout with some of the following topics... (suggesting that freopedia needs to add sometopics/articles soon?) (ie included on the head are... or in other words, maybe freositwas is testing whether we can match em for articles on...?): some parts of the head are either hard to read or have been obscured by an opaque HISTORY

• Arundel Sea baths
• Buffalo Club
• Cicerellos
• Convicts
• Culleys
• Dalgetty
• Elders
• Freo Hospital
• Freo Lunatic Asylum
• Freo Markets
• Freo Town Hall
• Freo Train Station
• Ginos
• Kailis
• Lombardos
• Long Jetty
• Mannings Folly
• C. Y. O'Connor
• Oddfellows Hotel
• Pellows
• Port Brewery
• Princess Theatre
• Prison
• Round House
• Bon Scott
• Skinner Street Cemetery
• South freo footie club
• Trams
• Uglieland

If anyone is going - please find an excuse to let it be known that Freopedia exists!!! thanks satusuro 14:49, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Interesting. I want to know more about Ugliland! Some sort of carnival. But I'll be at a talk about the history of the workers' club that night (which hasn't yet got its own article, but I shall try to fix that). :-) Sam Wilson 23:20, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Sam, Check out the article on the Ugly Men's Association, might give you a starting point. You might even have a look at the Perth Uglieland article, White City, Perth. Dan arndt (talk) 13:01, 13 May 2014 (UTC)