Wikipedia talk:WikiTown/Freopedia/Archive 1

Archive 1

Geonotice

I have requested a geonotice at Wikipedia:Geonotice#WP:GLAM/Freopedia. Please add better suggestions for the message. John Vandenberg ^(chat) 14:14, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Great! I think it reads well as you put it, John. Thanks for requesting it.  :-) Sam Wilson 00:57, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

The geonotice should be live now. Can someone confirm its working? We should also initiate a request a notice for this event. John Vandenberg ^(chat) 03:20, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Works for me. Hack (talk) 03:32, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Congrats

To Tuesday night persons - looking good! SatuSuro 11:14, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks!  :-) Was a good evening. Four of us there (well, three WP'ing). Added McDonald Smith Building, Fremantle Police Station complex, Fremantle Customs House, and more. Same time next week... Sam Wilson 12:53, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Category:Freopedia stubs

I just noticed this category and stub tag - this seems to me the kind of thing which would normally go in talk page banners, not a stub tag - we do not usually have mainspace categories for why an article was created, and what happens if/when some of these stubs are expanded to no longer be stubs? --Qetuth (talk) 01:54, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

like all stub tags once an article is expand the tag will be removed, these are Fremantle stubs which over laps the Freopedia work just like Perth stubs with {{PerthAU-stub}} and the 20000 or so other stub tags Gnangarra 04:05, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

I suppose then my issue is with the name - if it is a project cat then it should go in talkspace, but if it is not it should be using Fremantle, not Freopedia, in the name. (btw, what you guys are doing looks really interesting!) --Qetuth (talk) 04:33, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

{{Freopedia-stub}} and Category:Freopedia stubs

Moved from Template talk:Fremantle-stub and Category talk:Freopedia stubs

Inappropriate link to WP space

I do not believe that it is appropriate for [ {{Fremantle-stub}} ] - which is placed on articles - to link to WP:Freo which is not in article space. In particular, WP:LINKSTYLE says "Do not create links to user or wikiproject pages in articles ..." Mitch Ames (talk) 09:19, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

... and so I've deleted the link. Perhaps there should be a suitable template on each article's Talk page instead. Mitch Ames (talk) 09:24, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

... and renamed this template from Freopedia... to Fremantle... Mitch Ames (talk) 09:28, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

Name should not refer to project?

For the same reasons as I describe at Template talk:Fremantle-stub#Inappropriate link to WP space I think [ category:Freopedia stubs ] should not be named "Freopedia stubs" (referring to a WP project in article space, contrary to WP:LINKSTYLE), it should be "Fremantle stubs". However:

• I'm not confident enough with categories to simply rename it, especially since...
• It may have already been renamed in the other direction
• I'm unsure what if any automated connection there may be between this category and {{Freopedia-stub}} which I had already renamed before I noticed the category name.

Some feedback to my reasons for wanting to rename it would be appreciated. Ideally you'll all agree with me and rename this category accordingly, and possibly go and fix all the references to it. Mitch Ames (talk) 09:41, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

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In order to be consistent, {{Fremantle-stub}} should be edited to change |category=Freopedia stubs to |category=Fremantle stubs, with Category:Fremantle stubs being created.

There is no need to delete or rename Category:Freopedia stubs, it can be still be populated separately by Freopedia-related stubs (or their talk pages).

Project banners have been developed for articles that end up being QR-linked, and the organisations that will be linking them: {{Freopedia article}} and {{WikiProject Freopedia}}. Should Freopedia-related stubs have there talk pages marked with a similar banner? Perhaps also other articles with potential for QR linking which aren't stubs? - Evad37 (talk) 15:05, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

Are talk pages categorised independently of their article pages? It makes sense to have links to Freopedia from the talk page, but not from the article page (including the categories, by my interpretation of the intent of WP:LINKSTYLE). Mitch Ames (talk) 12:04, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Yes, talk pages are categorised independently. For example, Fremantle (suburb) is in Category:Suburbs of Perth, Western Australia and Category:Fremantle, whilst Talk:Fremantle (suburb) is in Category:Start-Class Australia articles, Category:Low-importance Australia articles, etc. WP:PROJCATS confirms that "Article pages should be kept out of administrative categories if possible. For example, the templates that generate WikiProject and assessment categories should be placed on talk pages, not on the articles themselves." - Evad37 (talk) 12:46, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

I've now changed {{Fremantle-stub}} to use Category:Fremantle stubs, and created {{Future Freopedia article}} to go on talk pages. Specifying |stub=yes will sort articles (talk pages) into Category:Freopedia stubs instead of Category:Potential Freopedia articles. - Evad37 (talk) 13:52, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

CfD nomination of Category:Freopedia stubs

Category:Freopedia stubs has been nominated for deletion, merging, or renaming. You are encouraged to join the discussion on the Categories for discussion page. - Evad37 (talk) 14:37, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

CFd closed - no change SatuSuro 09:03, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

There was changes made during the discussion which make no sense or have caused articles to be excluded from the original purpose of the template. Gnangarra 10:55, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

Any Freopedia news?

Is there any news on what's happening with Freopedia? In particular:

1. Is there an update on the material for the plaques?
2. What articles should we focus on improving? Do we know which ones are actually going to have a plaque?
3. When are future meetups / events, if any, plannned for?

There hasn't been much activity on the project page or this talk page since mid-December (which was basically just related to tagging articles (talk pages) and categories used).

BTW, for those interested in stats:

• Category:Freopedia stubs is up to 44 stubs, from about 30 odd (from memory) in November.
• Category:Potential Freopedia articles has 36 articles, which means 80 article talk pages have been tagged with {{Potential Freopedia article}}. This is 56% of the articles listed on the project page.
• The articles listed on the project page by subject are:

Places and things: 51 • Memorials and statues: 11 • Streets: 12 • Living people: 35 • Deceased people: 34 • Total: 143

- Evad37 (talk) 22:36, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

New printer has been sourced who uses sublimation printing, there are further events planned we are not yet in a position to make public announcements. Have no idea about this "potential Freopedia article" categories as it hasnt come from those organising, someone else will have to explain that list and what purpose it holds. Gnangarra 10:54, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

Articles with a project banner ({{Potential Freopedia article}} is a redirect) on their talk pages are categorised into Category:Potential Freopedia articles, or Category:Freopedia stubs if stub=yes is specified. This arose after {{Freopedia-stub}} was redirected to {{Fremantle-stub}} and basically taken over by WP:WikiProject Stub sorting, due to other wikipedians not liking "Freopedia" appearing in mainspace (see discussions above). Category:Freopedia stubs was CFD'd, but that discussion became quite messy and was closed with no change due to being too confusing for the closer.

If the project banner was in place on all our articles talk pages, with stub option specified for stubs, then we'd have a complete list of stubs by looking at Category:Freopedia stubs. The advantage of using this over stub templates on article pages is that we'll get less interference from other wikipedians (even if it is well intentioned), and it can be expanded for other article classes - start, C, etc. - if needed. - Evad37 (talk) 09:39, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

Launch

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

Resolved

I'm surprised that there is no obvious mention of the upcoming "Launch ... of the Society’s FREOPEDIA project", on 26 May. (Search the program, downloadable from the heritage festival website for "Freopedia".) Mitch Ames (talk) 05:29, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

• • Its referred to by Brad Pettitt in the Welcoming, but the launch itself is an invite only event. Yes I've already recieved complaints from a number of WIkipedians about the lack of acknowledgement and recognition of our work. Gnangarra 06:09, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Is the invite-only launch something other than - or in addition to - the "launch" that is described on page 19 of the (aforementioned) program as:

Launch by Mayor Brad Pettitt of the Society’s FREOPEDIA project ... 

Mitch Ames (talk) 09:04, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

- thanks for the warning - there's no accounting for mixed messages in this thing - and what the potential/possible (sic) resultant hysterical council persons/catering facility arrangers who may have been told otherwise... sats 09:10, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks that will make things interesting, have notified The Society because the venue has capacity limit, and catering needs to be pre-ordered hence the need for an invite only event which was why there was restrictions as to how many wikipedians could be invited... Gnangarra 09:26, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Talk page banner on potential articles

Last year when {{Freopedia-stub}} was renamed as {{Fremantle-stub}}, a general Fremantle stub sorting tag, I put {{Potential Freopedia article}} (a modified version of the {{WikiProject Freopedia}} talk page banner) on articles' talk pages, which had previously been tagged as Freopedia stubs, as well as those listed on the project page. Now there are a whole lot of article talk pages with the message "This article has the potential to be linked to by one or more organisations, using QRpedia. For further information, please see Wikiproject Freopedia", which are sorted by the banner into Category:Potential Freopedia articles or its stubcategory, Category:Freopedia stubs (that has been nominated at Cfd for renaming [1]). Would it be better if instead of displaying a banner for these articles, the template just silently sorted the articles into these categories without displaying anything? - Evad37 (talk) 23:57, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

• the purpose of the template is ensure that articles just dont get moved around, merged or deleted without first seeking discussion here. As I'll be placing the order for the 140 plaques(~$5,000) this week we need something visual to ensure that plaque links arent made redundant, create a broken link or worse case cause us to remove them from the location(further costs). What ever the format though stub is a valid rating its not owned by Stubsort Gnangarra 07:02, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
  • Ok. Perhaps the template should show a different message for those that are actually on the list and ordered/being ordered, compared to those which are just under consideration - Evad37 (talk) 07:36, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

sounds good, especially as we are passed considering for some. Gnangarra 08:09, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

 Done: {{WikiProject Freopedia|confirmed}} can be used for those articles. (Wording can be adjusted) - Evad37 (talk) 11:50, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Awesome thanks, looks like I owe you a coffee :) Gnangarra 12:53, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Please add a banner to label this internal

Since you now have a redirect from the main namespace, would you please add a banner to the top of the page to indicate that this is not a Wikipedia article? It took me some time to figure out that it isn't one. QVVERTYVS (hm?) 10:42, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Move protection

Perhaps move protection should be applied to confirmed Freopedia articles. This would prevent accidental/unintentional page moves. Also note that Victoria Quay, which was moved earlier today, doesn't have a {{Freopedia}} banner. - Evad37 (talk) 02:23, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Support - confirmed articles do not need the issue of QR coded material being produced for articles that float around on the whim of editors not auf fait with the project or the ramifications of changing names or contexts. sats 02:25, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Also every confirmed article should have the banner {{Freopedia|confirmed}} on their talk page – is there a list of confirmed articles (ones with QR plaques either printed or ordered)? - Evad37 (talk) 02:38, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Did You Know...

• that Joseph Nunan, the Fremantle architect and ex Fenian convict, will be on the front page in the next 24 hours 10:00, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Freopedia and Wikitowns

Originally posted on a user talk page, moved here per that user's request [2]

Hi all - Everyone seems to watch here I think. John Cummings and I are giving a talk about Wikitowns at an open source conference in two weeks. As Freopedia seems to be such a growing success I wonder if someone would care to share : Top reasons its succeeding : Problems: Interesting anecdotes, etc. A couple of paragraphs would be great and more would be splendid. If there is stuff published then please point me at it. What I would really love is for someone to airmail a reject Freopedia plaque to us (do you have one?). I could supply an address by email and Id be happy to cover the postage. We have Monmouth, Gib and Joburg plaques so it would be good to see "the family."

Can I thank all those who have been sharing with me (e.g. Mitch Ames etc. I have created a number of new articles and there are still a few to appear at DYK over the next couple of weeks including Mary Higham, Fremantle Cemetery, Daniel Scott (harbour-master) and you may have seen others like John Bateman which has been written but not felt interesting enough to put on the front page.

Obviously full credit will be given in the talk .... but I'm not sure who to credit. Can you help? Victuallers (talk) 14:58, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

 Done email sent Gnangarra 13:14, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Freopedia listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Freopedia. Since you had some involvement with the Freopedia redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion (if you have not already done so). See also the entry above for the redirect Freopedia project. - Evad37 [talk] 05:14, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

mapping

I'm also interested in how the mapping was done for the streets in Freopedia. I like how they appear and wonder if you have a clever tool. Who is best to talk to?

In exchange - Do you use this? ... map of freo or do you have something better? Victuallers (talk) 14:58, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

The KML file were created using Google Earth, as described at Wikipedia:WikiProject U.S. Roads/Maps task force/Tutorial. The {{Attached KML}} template allows kml files to be displayed in WikiMiniAtlas, or on top of Google maps or Bing maps. That template's talk page is probably the best place to ask about KML in Wikipedia. - Evad37 (talk) 09:02, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

I'm also adding the plaque locations to OpenStreetMap. Sam Wilson 03:09, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Potential for QR code plaques

Curious about how you're going to stick a plaque on a person (dead or alive). :) Moondyne (talk) 00:41, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

QR code tattoos perhaps? [3]. Hack (talk) 01:05, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

I figured I'd just run around after them with a sign on a stick; get more visibility that way, surely? And bags not trying to tattoo John Curtin. (Actually, I think it'll be more like putting the plaques in places that have some significant connection to the person: near a statue, old place of residence, etc.) —Sam Wilson 01:29, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Like Moondyne (talk) 01:30, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Might be worth making a list of statues or memorials. Hack (talk) 01:35, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Some here. Moondyne (talk) 01:41, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

What's the process for selecting candidates for plaques? Is this ultimately a COF decision? Hack (talk) 00:50, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

At the end of the day, it's up to the property owners. In lots of cases (and where it's public land), that is the City; but there's plenty of others too. We're partly waiting to finalize what the plaques will be made of, before getting too stuck in to individual sites, because where they get installed will also depend on what they're made of. Roel knows more I think; I'll ask him. Sam Wilson 01:14, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Is there a published timeline for all of this? Incidentally who is we? Hack (talk) 04:37, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Fremantle Cemetery? Victuallers (talk) 12:27, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

We have QRpedia plaques alongside graves in the Congressional Cemetery in Washington DC. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:37, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Know your Freo History?

On Wednesday 14th May - www.fremantleasitwas.com - appears to be conducting a quiz night at the Freo Italian Club...

The design of the card advertising this event has a phrenological layout with some of the following topics... (suggesting that freopedia needs to add sometopics/articles soon?) (ie included on the head are... or in other words, maybe freositwas is testing whether we can match em for articles on...?): some parts of the head are either hard to read or have been obscured by an opaque HISTORY

• Arundel Sea baths
• Buffalo Club
• Cicerellos
• Convicts
• Culleys
• Dalgetty
• Elders
• Freo Hospital
• Freo Lunatic Asylum
• Freo Markets
• Freo Town Hall
• Freo Train Station
• Ginos
• Kailis
• Lombardos
• Long Jetty
• Mannings Folly
• C. Y. O'Connor
• Oddfellows Hotel
• Pellows
• Port Brewery
• Princess Theatre
• Prison
• Round House
• Bon Scott
• Skinner Street Cemetery
• South freo footie club
• Trams
• Uglieland

If anyone is going - please find an excuse to let it be known that Freopedia exists!!! thanks satusuro 14:49, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Interesting. I want to know more about Ugliland! Some sort of carnival. But I'll be at a talk about the history of the workers' club that night (which hasn't yet got its own article, but I shall try to fix that). :-) Sam Wilson 23:20, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Sam, Check out the article on the Ugly Men's Association, might give you a starting point. You might even have a look at the Perth Uglieland article, White City, Perth. Dan arndt (talk) 13:01, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Historical sites??

At the commercial hotel talk page - (Apology to any who get grieved about copied talk page comments - here for a central discussion)

I added this to wp:HSITES. What list of historic sites should this place appear on? I don't see it in Australian National Heritage List, which lists 93. There are no in-bound links yet. Is it instead on the Commonwealth Heritage List (article describes what that is, but does not list them). It is time to create an explicit list of those ones, anyhow. And/or what historic register should include this Commercial Hotel place in Western Australia? I didn't look at "SHOWA" yet, mentioned above, maybe that needs to be listed out? --doncram 00:31, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

Followup: I fixed the linking from List of heritage places in Fremantle to here (it had Commercial Hotel (Fremantle) showing as a redlink, which I redirected).

I also created State Register of Heritage Places, which could be the list article for the State Register, which seems to be missing otherwise.

Note the Commercial Hotel entry in List of heritage places in Fremantle has a bad footnote, goes to a Section 404 error or something, could be fixed by reference(s) used here now. This is a bit far astray for me. --doncram 01:03, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

It should be on List of heritage places in Fremantle, and probably elsewhere. Sam Wilson 01:05, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

• before this gets out of hand - I am not sure that we have anything thatshould be in any list - if I read the above correctly:

Australia has a three tier (if not 5) and not synchronous system of heritage places - I am not sure any of the Freopedia sites deserve to start being placed into Historical sites project without a very clear understanding of scope of that project - and where most of the sites belong in Freopedia.

Looking from the bottom -

the municipal register

the state register (and different levels in there as well)

the national trust

the very messy national or commonwealth systems (some old and not revamped)

Precedence plays a very serious hand here - if one hotel gets the treatment - we have hundred if not thousands of australian places/buildings that subsequently require a better more systematic assesment as to which level of significance - and what constitutes elligibility to be a 'historical site' or not JarrahTree 01:21, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

• When I look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Historic_sites - I dont believe that component parts of Freopedia belong with that project... and Fremantle Prison is in a separate project JarrahTree 01:33, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

• • When looking at the grab bag of List of heritage places in Fremantle

It states The inHerit database includes places which are on the State Register of Heritage Places, the City of Fremantle's Municipal Heritage Inventory, the National Trust's List of Classified Places, the National Heritage List and the Commonwealth Heritage List

That means totally different levels of criterion could have been ascribed to any one place, but not on another... JarrahTree 02:04, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

I'd have to say that the National Trust listing should be ranked lower than the State Heritage Registar, as the state listing affords a building or place legal protection from demolition or alterations, whilst the National Trust doesn't. Dan arndt (talk) 03:01, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

FWIW, I don't mind that my comments were copied to here. I take it this is where a "central discussion" about coverage of "heritage places" / historic sites in Fremantle can take place. This is probably not the best central location for discussion about whether/where all State Register of Heritage Places should be listed out explicitly (which seems to me to be a fairly good thing to do, to show redlinks where articles are needed; see wp:CLT for an essay about how lists are complementary to categories and navigation templates).

My two cents: it is fine to have a geographic-based List of heritage places in Fremantle which covers historic sites that are either listed on the State Register or listed by some other body, but it would be an improvement if the types of designation were included in the list-article. Some sites no doubt are listed in more than one register, which can be indicated. Perhaps color-coding could be applied to rows to indicate the highest registration the row has? --doncram 03:41, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

Also, Wikipedia:WikiProject Historic sites (wp:HSITES/wt:HSITES) was created by me and others to cover ALL historic registers and properties listed in them, ranging from any local town historic registry up to national registries. To provide support for any souls taking on the good task of developing coverage of historic sites from a local register, without their having to create a new WikiProject to share their interest (which could be a disappointing experience). It is not very active relative to, say, Wikipedia:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places (wp:NRHP/wt:NRHP) covering U.S. NRHP sites which can be regarded as a sub-project. --doncram 03:53, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

• I think the colour-coding is a good idea; there doesn't seem to be any particular colours in use (other than mission brown! and nothing like blue plaques) so I guess we can just assign whichever (and probably put in a template so it doesn't have to be repeated). The other list that I've been working on and hope to bring into Wikipedia is the red-black houses from the FSPS. I know that's not a 'proper' register or anything, and those places are probably all covered by one of the other registers, but it's the list that ended up being the first Freo municipal inventory and so has some interest.

  Oh, and what do you all reckon about the use of a table for List of heritage places in Fremantle‎ — it doesn't work well on mobile, and other than 'street' I don't think there's any advantage to being able to sort things by anything other than general precinct. I suggest it switch to a section-based layout with sections for precincts or suburbs or something. Or maybe age of building?

  Sam Wilson 10:10, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

Maybe it's not currently working well on mobile, but perhaps with some changes the table would be more useful. Tables have worked well, including with mobiles, in many other lists of historic places, and you have quite a good start here, with descriptions and photos and location info already. I don't think sorting by street is that useful, but perhaps a neighborhood column could be added. I just added coordinates for the first couple rows, and those coordinates can be seen in now-linked Google or Bing or OSM map. For now, could I try combining the "street number" and "street" columns to make one "location" column? At the same time as adding coordinates in the location column as well. --doncram 19:35, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

possible remedies

(long talk sections become difficult to navigate - creating new section re Sam's suggestions)

As Freopedia expands and increases in size there are some issues with big lists: -

The current list has served its purpose, but has a limited usability on mobile devices as it grows in columns and length.

• Possible remedies:

1. Smaller lists with minimal text or images with links to specific items -
2. lists based on street names (not 'precinct' too much overlap and potential editorial arguments and confusion over defining)
3. lists based on tight scope - hotels, banks, offices...
4. lists based on heritage source - Nat Trust, Fhs, Nat register
5. lists based on era in which built (again like street names, we cannot afford to get lost in 'free federation' versus 'edwardian turned up' scope arguments)
6. lists based on quadrants of either blocks - physical bound blocks by streets, or quadrants on a base map for the project

Any ad-hocery with this, if it is not resolved towards a very polished manner of organizing the information and it can make the whole project look like what a dog threw up quietly under the noise of the pub next door...

If it is possible to resolve without this talk page growing into a mega discussion over details at this stage, all the better. JarrahTree 12:09, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

It is a big list, about 180 rows, I agree. I started adding coordinates so the locations can be seen in linked OSM map. A few plot out to be in North Fremantle; maybe some others will be in East Freemantle or otherwise outside of Freemantle proper. Maybe how to partition geographically will become more clear when they can all be seen on a map. --doncram 20:34, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

Fremantle with one 'e' btw. Also 'fremantle proper' is another thing that has been already decided, so there arent endless discussions about that as well.

The intention - well spelt out our real life meetup a week or so back - the plan is double the size before the end of this year - of articles that is, and if possible before August - which is why the discussion is now and to resolve now not in August JarrahTree 00:44, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

Okay then IMO it's better to try some partition sooner rather than later. Further, editing the list-article has just slowed down a lot because the coordinates info added by me. (Performance is fine still for me, when viewing the list on my mobile or on my computer, though, but your experience may vary.)

How about splitting on High Street, first? Looking at the corresponding OSM map, that would divide it roughly equally, and it is simple to understand and to label. I don't mind trying to implement that (although it will be tedious to implement the edit), even if a different partition might be chosen later. --doncram 06:33, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

Further, can "West End" be defined as anything west of Pakenham (or west of Market St.?), and including the Esplanada area? I would try to split out "City Central" which I see as a label on a map, but there's no hint of any edges to that. That would make a 3-way split: West End vs. North of High vs. South of High. --doncram 08:26, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

IMO it's better to try some partition sooner rather than later- not so sure, we want to double the number of articles in the next 8 months. I do not think the current form is of any help - the project does consist of other editors who need to have input before anything goes any further...

From past experience - the potential debates and conversations about city central and west end is arbitrary and best ignored at this stage regarding the map, otherwise we will need to take a deep breath and see this talk page double in size and we will not go anywhere. JarrahTree 10:41, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

Could you bring some of these questions to (and could other readers here please consider participating at) Talk:List of heritage places in Fremantle? Under discussion there: geographic sections...currently it seems to me that official precincts are defined and useful. Not yet under discussion there: color coding or other designation of types of heritage listing, of scope (e.g. commercial bldgs, govt, churches, terrace houses, etc), etc. It seems appropriate to discuss there where some editors who might not participate here are participating too, and I could use help there. :) --doncram 21:52, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

Different subject - List of heritage place in fremantle is a different logic and topic - it is a dataset from inherit - here is a wikitown project - this is about probably the same linked articles - but different tasks. This project has more watchers than on talk participants - real life in most cases limit the time that they might get back JarrahTree 01:38, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

A month later: Thank you to several who participated over at Talk:List of heritage places in Fremantle. I and perhaps others perceived this discussion to be partly about List of heritage places in Fremantle (and I think it really was, including comment that it looked like a "grab bag" and needed/needs some clean-up). But at Talk:List of heritage places in Fremantle there was some confusion about that list vs. any list of places that WikiTown/Freopedia is interested in. And it was clarified that list is fairly static, and perhaps it does not need to be split, though perhaps neighborhoods will be identified in a column, and maybe it should be color-coded, or be changed in some way for better mobile-viewing, and so on. For any of that, please discuss there. Right, that list is a mainspace page and is defined differently, and is not the same as any list of Freopedia's, such as Wikipedia:WikiTown/Freopedia/Articles (a list of places targeted for Freopedia plaques).

But, is it perhaps appropriate to discuss here what if anything Freopedia would like to do to improve that list of heritage places, anyhow? Such as: could the Freopedia group take on a project of visiting all the places on that list, and getting photos where needed, and confirming or adding coordinates? And perhaps adding other information about the places? Would that be a good project to split up, which could involve volunteers productively? Whether or not it would lead to some of those places being added to Freopedia's different list of places deserving plaques, it could still be a good activity. --doncram 02:29, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

A year and a half later. Did the Freopedia group meet that week? And take on any tasks? I thot the suggestion above might have been pretty good for involving diverse people in something collectively productive. Or is Freopedia defunct, i wonder? --Doncram (talk) 21:47, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

In response to : Reply - I am not sure why you want to know, if as you have said it is a year and a half later, what is your interest? Please state clearly why you need to return here? JarrahTree 23:30, 9 October 2018 (UTC), my, that seems kind of unfriendly. It happens I took on the task of developing a List of fire stations worldwide, which brought me back to the Fremantle Fire Station, because it is in the category of fire stations. And I noticed "unverified" tags on the coordinates I had put in for it and other items in the list-article, and I wondered why they were there, and I was reconstructing that I had put them in somewhat defensively for the places that didn't have pics because I could not myself completely verify the locations in Google street view. (Now there is a pic for the fire station one and I started to refine the coordinates to point at the building not the street in front of it, but my device crashed.) And it reminded me I had thought/hoped that the Freopedia people would have taken this on a bit. I had hoped it would. That's why. Why not simply reply to my question? --Doncram (talk) 03:31, 10 October 2018 (UTC)