Wikipedia talk:WikiProject U.S. Congress/Archives/2017

{{CongLinks}} template in Bioguide has lots of unknown parameters

I was editing Senator Barbara Mikulski's article and noticed there were a lot of unknown parameters in the {{CongLinks}} template in her External links section, so I came to this project looking for an update on the preferred field names and found the same unknown parameters used in the example this project gives in the Bioguide. The errors don't show up on the published page, but when the CongLinks subsection is open in editor, the preview looks like this:

There are only 4 fields listed on the CongLinks template page: {{CongLinks |congbio = |votesmart = |fec = |congress = }}. I suppose those extra fields probably worked a while ago, but were removed at some point, so should I delete the red ones from the Bioguide and whenever I come across the same issue in the future or is there a quick fix to restore those links? Could a bot do it? I don't know how templates (or bots) get created/updated, so I figured I'd start by pointing it out here and hopefully someone will see this that knows how to fix it or can tell me if there's a more appropriate place to bring this up. Thanks! —PermStrump(talk) 04:49, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

North Carolina

Hi. I want to update the data at North Carolina's 1st Congressional District, and came across this stat pack. For demographic purposes, how should I denote the proportion of white, black, Hispanic voters, etc? Ditto for the 12 other districts that need an update.

Also, where can I find a GIS mapping software that allows the user to split voting wards? Devoted Political Nerd (talk) 01:19, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

Employee Free Choice Act

I added a couple of new sentences to this article (with refs, of course), but in doing so I realized that the article is primarily about the 2009 incarnation of the bill. In fact, there have been multiple attempts to put this bill through Congress, with 10 separate entries on congress.gov. I imagine that it is acceptable to include them all under the umbrella of the term Employee Free Choice Act, but I don't know if that's standard procedure. How do we keep the various iterations straight? The lead section states the numbers of the two bills from 2009 (House and Senate). Should this be modified to include the other bills introduced under this name? Or do they each need separate articles? --GentlemanGhost (converse) 21:57, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

If I am understanding this correctly, this is a collection of similar (and similarly named) bills that never became law. If so, I don't think they would each need their own article. WP:NOPAGE has some discussion on when to have a seperate article, and I would think under "Do related topics provide needed context?" they would not need there own article. meamemg (talk) 18:57, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

Great! Thank you for the info. --GentlemanGhost (converse) 22:30, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

Nomination of List of members of the United States House of Representatives who died in the 2000s for deletion

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Discussion concerning Speaker of the House Infobox

I have started a discussion about the infobox of the Speaker of the House. it is located Talk:Paul Ryan#Does the President belong under term of Speaker of the House. ~ GB fan 19:51, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

Congressional Institute

Hello! I'm looking for editors who might be interested in helping me update the Congressional Institute article. I have drafted an updated and expanded article on behalf of the Institute as part of my work with Beutler Ink. Editors can review that draft here and a few explanatory notes about it in my Talk page note here. Due to my COI I won't edit the article directly, so I'm looking for neutral editors to review this draft. Thanks! Heatherer (talk) 20:54, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

 Done This edit request has been answered. 16912 Rhiannon (Talk · COI) 02:35, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

Help with Congressional Institute article

Hi there! I'm reaching out at this WikiProject to follow up on my former colleague's note above, to see if any members would be interested to help update the article for the Congressional Institute. The current article is much too detailed, has inline external links, and content that is promotional and not properly sourced. The new draft proposed trims down the content, focuses on encyclopedic detail and is thoroughly sourced. If you're interested to take a look, the edit request on the Talk page here provides more details. In full disclosure: I have a financial COI as I'm here on behalf the Institute as part of my work with Beutler Ink and I won't edit the article directly; I'm hoping to find uninvolved editors to review the draft. Thanks in advance! 16912 Rhiannon (Talk · COI) 19:25, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

 Done This edit request has been answered. Thanks, 16912 Rhiannon (Talk · COI) 02:36, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Democratic–Republican Party#Hyphen or Dash?

You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Democratic–Republican Party#Hyphen or Dash?. —GoldRingChip 13:04, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

Disambiguation links on pages tagged by this wikiproject

Wikipedia has many thousands of wikilinks which point to disambiguation pages. It would be useful to readers if these links directed them to the specific pages of interest, rather than making them search through a list. Members of WikiProject Disambiguation have been working on this and the total number is now below 20,000 for the first time. Some of these links require specialist knowledge of the topics concerned and therefore it would be great if you could help in your area of expertise.

A list of the relevant links on pages which fall within the remit of this wikiproject can be found at http://69.142.160.183/~dispenser/cgi-bin/topic_points.py?banner=WikiProject_U.S._Congress

Please take a few minutes to help make these more useful to our readers.— Rod ^talk 19:46, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

List of senators style/layout

This got brought to my attention with the peer review of List of United States Senators from Ohio, but judging by other states articles this is broadly applicable. In short: the layout of these pages, creating side-by-side lists via senator classes, is pretty terrible from a usability and readability standpoint (on a PC, it's just annoying; on mobile, it becomes actively harmful). These really should be interleaved, especially as I highly doubt the class of senator is the most important part of the topic. I can't tell exactly where this style was chosen, but I'd strongly recommend coming up with another one. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs^(talk) 18:54, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

• They style wasn't formally chosen, it evolved over time and I moved to make them consistent among the 50 articles. I would welcome, however, a redesign. Can you draft something at, maybe, Draft:List of United States Senators from Ohio, and we can comment, edit, tweak, etc.?—GoldRingChip 13:56, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

Official beginning & end of terms for members of Congress

This is a broad topic, so let's try to cover it concisely. There are several issues.

Before the 20th Amendment

Before the 20th Amendment, there was no constitutional date of their terms, other than the length. As the 1st Congress began on March 4, 1789, all terms are either two years or six years from that date. Terms therefore began on March 4th at midnight (beginning of the day) and the previous term ended at that same time, but it's usually called March 3rd midnight (end of the day). Hence all the so-called "Midnight" actions like legislation and appointments.

There has been some (mostly settled) debate on Wikipedia about whether March 4 or March 3 is what we should call the end date, even though there's no real dispute about the moment the term ended (midnight on the transition between March 3 & 4), just what to call it. External sources, while required by WP rules, have been wildly inconsistent.

This all changed when the 20th Amendment, Section 1 set a constitutional date & time of January 3 at noon: "Section 1. The terms of the President and Vice President shall end at noon on the 20th day of January, and the terms of Senators and Representatives at noon on the 3d day of January, of the years in which such terms would have ended if this article had not been ratified; and the terms of their successors shall then begin."

Appointed Senators

The term of an appointed Senator begins when she/he is appointed and qualified.

First, let's cover the qualifications. To be a Senator, one must be at last 30 years old, a citizen for 9 years, and a resident of their elective state. (see Article One of the United States Constitution#Clause 3: Qualifications of Senators.). That's not so tricky. The tricky part is when that appointee has a conflicting job. Often appointees are already elected or appointed officials in local, state, or federal government.

What if an appointee has a conflicting position?

It's not unusual for a Member of the U.S. House to be appointed to the U.S. Senate. He/she must resign from the House before the Senate term begins as he/she cannot hold both offices simultaneously.. Is my assumption correct?

But what about state officers? Luther Strange, the Attorney General of Alabama, was appointed to replace Jeff Sessions in the U.S. Senate in February 2017. Did Strange have to resign his state office before his term could begin?

In most, if not all, cases, such people do resign before taking the oath and acting in the new job.

Furthermore, in some cases, a newly-elected or appointed Senator has chosen to delay "taking their seat" so they could continue in their state position a little longer. See, e.g., Huey Long. Does that mean that his Senate term did not begin, or that he simultaneously held both jobs even though he wasn't acting like it?

Oath vs. election vs. appointment

Does the oath of office matter or the appointment/election or the qualification?

Conflicting statutes

Some statutes conflict with others. For example, some say "oath" some say "election."

Senators and Representatives elected in a special election

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References

Article One of the United States Constitution

2 U.S.C. ch. 2 "ORGANIZATION OF CONGRESS"

2 U.S.C. § 21 "Oath of Senators"

The oath of office shall be administered by the President of the Senate to each Senator who shall be elected, previous to his taking his seat.

2 U.S.C. § 25 "Oath of Speaker, Members, and Delegates"

At the first session of Congress after every general election of Representatives, the oath of office shall be administered by any Member of the House of Representatives to the Speaker; and by the Speaker to all the Members and Delegates present, and to the Clerk, previous to entering on any other business; and to the Members and Delegates who afterward appear, previous to their taking their seats. …

2 U.S.C. ch. 53 "HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES MEMBERS"

2 U.S.C. ch. 53, subch. I "MEMBER PAY"

2 U.S.C. § 5302 "Salaries payable monthly after taking oath"

Each Member and Delegate, after he has taken and subscribed the required oath, is entitled to receive his salary at the end of each month.

2 U.S.C. § 5304 "Salaries of Representatives, Delegates, and Resident Commissioners elected for unexpired terms":

The salaries of Representatives in Congress, Delegates from Territories, and Resident Commissioners, elected for unexpired terms, shall commence on the date of their election and not before.

2 U.S.C. ch. 63 "SENATE MEMBERS"

2 U.S.C. ch. 63, subch. I "MEMBER PAY"

2 U.S.C. § 6301 "Senators’ salaries"

Senators elected, whose term of office begins on the 3d day of January, and whose credentials in due form of law shall have been presented in the Senate, may receive their compensation from the beginning of their term.

2 U.S.C. § 6302 "Salaries of Senators"

Salaries of Senators appointed to fill vacancies in the Senate shall commence on the day of their appointment and continue until their successors are elected and qualified: Provided, That when Senators have been elected during a sine die adjournment of the Senate to succeed appointees, the salaries of Senators so elected shall commence on the day following their election.