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Proposals, December 2011

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US-comics-artist-stub

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I would like to create a {{US-comics-artist-stub}}, in order to properly sort articles for American comic book artists. There are many that fall into more than one stub category, and this stub template would eliminate the need to place multiple stub tags on the same article. The corresponding Category:American comics artist stubs, would easily be populated by articles currently marked with {{comics-artist-stub}} (159 articles, most of which are Americans) and {{US-comics-creator-stub}} (226 articles, many that are strictly artists). Fortdj33 (talk) 23:29, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Template no problem, category iff 60 articles use the template. SeveroTC 10:20, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
If even a fraction of those two categories are sorted into Category:American comics artist stubs, there will still be over a hundred articles that fall into that category, so there's no doubt that the category will be populated.
However, in the interest of better organizing and categorizing stubs and stub categories in Category:Comics creator stubs, I've noticed a couple more sub-categories that could stand to be created:
Fortdj33 (talk) 16:44, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
Barring any major objections, I will create {{US-comics-artist-stub}}, {{cartoonist-stub}} and {{US-cartoonist-stub}}, so that the articles in Category:Comics creator stubs can be sorted respectively. The corresponding sub-categories will also be populated by stub articles in Category:American comics artists, Category:Cartoonists, and Category:American cartoonists as well. Fortdj33 (talk) 17:51, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
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Split/templates for Category:Auto racing biography stubs

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Non-European countries, the following two categories look viable:

The following templates (double upmerged to national sportspeople bio stubs cat) also look viable, I'll leave categories for now though and come back if they nudge 60:

As below, the category is already split by nationality so all speediable S2. SeveroTC 13:40, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

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Split of Category:Rallying biography stubs

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SeveroTC 13:28, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

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Upmerged templates for Category:European auto racing biography stubs

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The following all look feasible on currently tagged articles, maybe a few more lurking out there untagged as yet:

As above, the category already has some splits by nationality so it's speediable S2. SeveroTC 13:28, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

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Category:1910s aircraft stubs

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Speedy request. To pick up {{aero-1910s-stub}}. 62 articles. Dawynn (talk) 14:55, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

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Category:1920s aircraft stubs

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Speedy request. To pick up {{aero-1920s-stub}}. 73 articles. Dawynn (talk) 14:39, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

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Additions to Category:Music biography stubs

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The following countries seem to be ready for their own music biography stub categories:

Dawynn (talk) 10:57, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Support. SeveroTC 10:22, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
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European bridge (structure) stubs

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To add to Category:European bridge (structure) stubs, categories iff 60:

Speediable S2. SeveroTC 09:14, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

  • Support templates. Support categories if filled. Dawynn (talk) 00:49, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
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European airport stubs

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To add to Category:European airport stubs, templates and iff 60 categories:

Speediable S2. SeveroTC 19:28, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

  • Support templates, categories if filled. Dawynn (talk) 00:50, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
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General request for geologic period stub types

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I was hoping no one would object to me creating a stub type for each different geologic period (eg Triassic-stub, Jurassic-stub, Cretaceous-stub). I stopped counting how many articles would be in the Triassic stub type at about 200. Each other period can be expected to have several hundred members. Abyssal (talk) 22:08, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

Triassic has 551 stubs, Jurassic has 628, Cretaceous has over 1000. Looking farther back, the Permian has 350. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 09:20, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
And 205 for the Carboniferous, 336 for the Devonian, 133 for the Silurian, 311 for the Ordovician, and 595 for the Cambrian. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 08:56, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
I don't see why not (at {{Jurassic-stub}}, Category:Jurassic stubs etc) with cats iff 60 (which looks definite). What category would Category:Jurassic stubs etc be placed into? SeveroTC 22:31, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
Paleontology stubs. Abyssal (talk) 05:21, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
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Maths Stubs sub-sub-categories

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Several of the subcategories of {{math-stub}} have gotten quite large, especially since there is plenty more in the parent category still to sort. I've done some counts (listed on my user page), and it looks like:

This all looks good, nice work :) My comments are:
SeveroTC 15:38, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
I was following the lead of stubs like {{mathapplied-stub}} and {{mathanalysis-stub}}, but they definitely sound better the right way around to match the content. Would {{group-theory-stub}} be a better name for the Group theory stubs than the other suggestions then? (ie, is it considered better to have a clear link to it's parent stub, or to its topic category?)
And most cryptographers in my experience identify as computer scientists not mathematicians, so I like that idea too. --Qetuth (talk) 16:27, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
I don't quite follow about group theory. "Theory" stubs in general are either at for example {{gametheory-stub}} (all one word) or {{music-theory-stub}} (two words). It maybe better to go with {tl|knottheory-stub}} because otherwise it could be seen to be a theory of knots... I will also look at taking {{mathapplied-stub}} and {{mathanalysis-stub}} to WP:SFD because they should use the -math- stem. SeveroTC 10:38, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
Sorry if I was unclear. What I meant was: Group theory is the name of the field of study, a subfield of Abstract Algebra. So if you purely use the name Group theory for the stubs, as is done with the actual categories, the connection to either Abstract Algebra or to Maths isn't clear from just the name, and I wondered if that was something to be avoided where possible. But I think {{grouptheory-stub}} and {{knottheory-stub}} are probably the best names for those two stub types regardless - it matches the category/topic name but doesn't make them look a subset of 'group' or 'knot'. Actually in the whole tree of 33 subcateogries of "math-stub", only one starts with "math-" although as you said a few more should ({{mathlogic-stub}} and {{mathematics-lit-stub}} are two more). --Qetuth (talk) 13:04, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
Lacking any voice against, I have created {{abstract-algebra-stub}}, {{linear-algebra-stub}}, {{differential-geometry‎-stub}}, {{elementary-geometry-stub}} complete with categories and populated them up to 70-160 articles each. I'll do the stubs (but not cats) for the smaller two tomorrow ({{crypto-bio-stub}} and {{knottheory-stub}}). --Qetuth (talk) 16:24, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
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Luge and bobsleigh bios templates

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The following seem worthwhile, upmerged for now as they will take just over 30:

Any objections to speedy? SeveroTC 13:49, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

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Hip hop biography stubs

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The upmerged {{Hiphop-bio-stub}} has reached 189 transclusions: speedy Category:Hip hop biography stubs. SeveroTC 13:22, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

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Italian music biography stubs

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From Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Stub sorting, create: Category:Italian music biography stubs To hold:

Should be speediable as we already have cats for Austria, Poland, the UK and the US. Possibly there's quite a few other countries this structure would work for; I will add looking into it to my list (which has been bloated by Category:Persondata templates without short description parameter). SeveroTC 13:01, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

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Category:Wisconsin geography stubs

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Split by county, there's over 1500.♦ Dr. Blofeld 20:55, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Definitely and speediable. SeveroTC 21:09, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
Already approved. No need to ask a second time.
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{{Jazz-venue-stub}}

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Have tried to use this a lot.♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:46, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Looks good to me. SeveroTC 18:46, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
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Marvel Comics superhero stub

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I would like to create a stub {{Marvel-hero-stub}}, which would place articles into Category:Marvel Comics superhero stubs. This would tie in with the current stub categories for {{Marvel-title-stub}} and {{Marvel-villain-stub}}. This new stub class would be easily populated, as most of the articles in Category:Marvel Comics stubs are about superheroes, and quite a number of the articles in Category:Marvel Comics superheroes are stubs. Fortdj33 (talk) 02:52, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Something grates in me about this: in the first place we probably would have been better with a {{Marvel-char-stub}} - although the numbers probably support separate hero and villain cats. That said, the -hero- stem is as good as -villain- stem and the numbers probably support it (though don't build the cat until the template is used 60 times) so I can support it. SeveroTC 18:49, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
While I can see the initial advantage of having a {{Marvel-char-stub}}, I'm not sure that it wouldn't eventually need to be divided into sub categories anyway. There are over 1,000 articles in Category:Marvel Comics superheroes, and a couple hundred of them are stubs. Therefore, if the superhero stubs from Category:Marvel Comics stubs are added in, Category:Marvel Comics superhero stubs would be similar to Category:Marvel Comics supervillain stubs, which currently has 354 articles in it. I would be OK with {{Marvel-villain-stub}} being renamed to {{Marvel-char-stub}}, and then all the character stub articles being added to Category:Marvel Comics character stubs, but that will make for one large category, with no distinction between superheroes and supervillains. Fortdj33 (talk) 21:22, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
Are there any characters apart from heroes and villains? If not, I don't really see the point in a {{Marvel-char-stub}} as the heroes and villains cats won't exactly be too small. SeveroTC 21:41, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
Of course, comics books have "other characters". These are known as supporting characters. In the Spider-Man comics alone, examples are: Uncle Ben, Aunt May, J. Jonah Jameson, and Mary Jane Watson, although none of these would classify as stubs. Stub examples: Lee Forrester, Christian Frost, and Dexter Bennett.
I went ahead and created the new stub tag for superheroes, and have started to populate the associated category, by updating stubs from Category:Marvel Comics stubs and Category:Marvel Comics superheroes. As far as the other characters apart from heroes and villains go, I don't believe that there are enough articles to warrant a {{Marvel-char-stub}}, so they can just remain in the generic Marvel stubs category for now. Fortdj33 (talk) 19:51, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
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{{Slovenia-novel-stub}} and Category:Slovenian novel stubs

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Or is it strictly by genre/period?♦ Dr. Blofeld 20:01, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Support - I don't see why not. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 19:01, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
We have a {{US-novel-stub}} so I don't see a reason why not - especially if {{Slovenia-stub}} is currently being used on such articles. SeveroTC 18:54, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
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