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01:26:51, 30 November 2021 review of submission by Lwjpnyc

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I recently had my second draft rejected and was told that, yes, the person in question is notable and worthy of an article, but "the whole text needs to be wikified."

My first draft was too narrative and lengthy. This second draft seems to be too short with not enough references. All of that I can work on. But what exactly counts as "wikified"? It would be helpful to have a more detailed explanation. I have read enough articles on Wikipedia to have an idea of what I am aiming for but this feedback is not helpful to someone who is not an insider. Could anyone give me some feedback which is less vague and more specific?

Thanks Lwjpnyc (talk) 01:26, 30 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lwjpnyc (talk) 01:26, 30 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Lwjpnyc I also have no idea what that message means, and cannot see it in the draft.
Your references section is a but unusual. Citations should be at the fact they are citing FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 10:52, 30 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Lwjpnyc: The reviewer's advice is true, but may be confusing or distracting to an editor with limited experience, since wikification should have nothing whatsoever to do with what is needed to make the draft acceptable. (@Fiddle Faddle: The sentence "Also, the whole text needs to be wikified", is at the end of Doric Loon's custom decline message.) It's rather like a mechanic telling you your vehicle fails its MOT test, and "also needs a good wash". To better understand wikification, see Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikify. From reading other articles, you may have noticed some words in bold, and some words in blue that link to other Wikipedia articles. The rules governing these and many other things are found in Wikipedia:Manual of Style. I recommend trying to read the draft from the perspective of someone with a different frame of reference. Would a reader from the UK know what a constitutional lawyer is, what the ACLU is, or what the U.S. Supreme Court is, for instance? Your main concern, however, should be that reviewers are likely to challenge every statement you make about a living person, so cite a reliable source for every fact. --Worldbruce (talk) 14:41, 30 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Worldbruce It was hiding in plain sight. It was also irrelevant in many ways. Thank you FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 15:05, 30 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, the Wikify comment was mine, and was meant to be a helpful additional pointer, but was not the reason for declining the article. Although the degree to which an article has been polished is not the key to the AfC threshold, it is a very good discipline to get into the habit of doing things like writing well and following style and building in wikilinks from the very beginning. --Doric Loon (talk) 16:47, 30 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

07:09:02, 30 November 2021 review of submission by 2601:241:480:6340:0:0:0:728C

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2601:241:480:6340:0:0:0:728C (talk) 07:09, 30 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]


https://heragenda.com/tabitha-brown-becomes-the-co-owner-of-vegan-restaurant-kale-my-name

You don't ask a question, but the draft was rejected, meaning that it will not be considered further. One source about a routine business activity like a change in ownership does not help. 331dot (talk) 10:18, 30 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

07:12:38, 30 November 2021 review of submission by Niteshshah24

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Niteshshah24 (talk) 07:12, 30 November 2021 (UTC) I have given all refrences and the primary sources. so kindly publish the article.[reply]

Niteshshah24 As you have been told, the draft was rejected and will not be considered any more. You need to move on from this. Your repeated requests are becoming disruptive. If you are a member or representative of this club, please read WP:COI. 331dot (talk) 10:17, 30 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

07:36:52, 30 November 2021 review of submission by Wcsneel

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Hi, I would like to edit the title of this page to align with the website. This hospital is named Gleneagles Hospital Kuala Lumpur. Also, I would like to change the page name of this URL ： https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gleneagles_Kuala_Lumpur to follow the new title Gleneagles_Hospital_Kuala_Lumpur. Please let me know how to do that? If not, can I create a new page and then merge with this page under the new page?

Thank you!

Wcsneel (talk) 07:36, 30 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Wcsneel You may request a page move at Requested Moves. No need to create a new article(not just a "page"). 331dot (talk) 10:13, 30 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Request on 10:40:02, 30 November 2021 for assistance on AfC submission by KingOfMP

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KingOfMP (talk) 10:40, 30 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@KingOfMP We're having trouble integrating the current release of the telepathy extension into the software that runs Wikipedia. so your question needs to be in words. FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 10:49, 30 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I have inserted source of Dainik Bhaskar the leading newspaper of Madhya Pradesh Distirct, India. NEYU are protesting for the right for Students, the news came in Dainik Bhaskar but why not accepted my request??

KingOfMP (talk) 14:52, 30 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

KingOfMP Wikipedia is not a place to merely tell about an organization and what it does. A Wikipedia article summarizes what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the topic, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of notability. The sources you provided are not appropriate for establishing notability. If you have further comment, please edit this existing section, instead of creating additional sections. 331dot (talk) 17:00, 30 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

10:43:00, 30 November 2021 review of submission by Moores10

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I was just wondering whether you could tell me why this was rejected and if it is to do with sources, what other kinds of secondary sources are needed?

Moores10 (talk) 10:43, 30 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Moores10 It was not rejected. It has been pushed back to you for work. Please read the big pink decline box which tells you what the problem is FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 10:47, 30 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Request on 14:12:37, 30 November 2021 for assistance on AfC submission by Jennyjohnscy

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May I know why the article has been rejected? Even though If I provide secondary sources. Jennyjohnscy (talk) 14:12, 30 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Jennyjohnscy As stated on the draft, "This topic is not sufficiently notable for inclusion in Wikipedia." 331dot (talk) 14:23, 30 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@331dot See also Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Ankit yadav 529 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 15:06, 30 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

14:15:49, 30 November 2021 review of submission by ZX2006XZ

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ZX2006XZ (talk) 14:15, 30 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]


December is almost here, and it's been quite a long time since the last submission. Care to review?

ZX2006XZ The draft was rejected, meaning that it will not be considered further. 331dot (talk) 14:21, 30 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Why not, though? ZX2006XZ (talk) 14:23, 30 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

ZX2006XZ If a reviewer rejects a draft, it is because they see little to no chance that the issues can be addressed. The main issue here is that the film is not released, once it is(looks like in January), then come back. 331dot (talk) 14:28, 30 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Films may merit articles prior to release. In this case being the 5th sequel of a notable film, it has more chance than most. I've asked over on WT:FILM for someone to take a look.Naraht (talk) 07:19, 1 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
331dot, Naraht, If I remember correctly it was rejected by @Robert McClenon: because the people who were writing the draft kept resubmitting the article with no significant changes (or perhaps I'm thinking of the Loud House Movie, which had a similar situation). Bkissin (talk) 15:57, 1 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. User:Bkissin and User:331dot are right. The submitter, User:ZX2006XZ, persists in resubmitting this draft essentially as is, and the film has not been released. On 12 November I declined the draft again, the fifth decline, and said not to submit it again until it was released. The submitter then resubmitted it on 13 November. I would have nominated the draft for deletion, but it will be notable at the end of January 2022 when it is released. So I instead reported the submitter to WP:ANI and requested a partial block. The submitter then resubmitted it yet again, at which point I rejected it. The submitter appears to be engaging in a breaching experiment, maybe to see what we, the community, do next, or maybe to try to get someone angry enough to resort to profanity and get blocked for 31 hours for the personal attack. But this help desk is a content forum, and this is almost entirely a conduct issue now. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:31, 1 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Naraht Yes, an unreleased film can merit an article, but there must be something very significant and perhaps unusual about the production of the film for that to be the case. Rust (upcoming film), for example, merits an article because one of the actors accidentally killed someone during the production. 331dot (talk) 16:40, 1 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@ZX2006XZ: In light of what McClenon says above, I must ask what your connexion to the film and/or its production company or distributor is. Obstinance like this makes it pretty damn obvious you've got some sort of skin in the game. —A little blue Bori v^_^v Jéské Couriano 19:25, 1 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Jéské Couriano: I have no connection to any of the studios. I only asked for advice on editing/submitting the draft via the Teahouse. ZX2006XZ (talk) 19:34, 1 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

14:24:27, 30 November 2021 review of submission by Felixflix

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Felixflix (talk) 14:24, 30 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, can anybody help me move forward? the draft has been continuously improved. There's plenty of relevant and significant coverage that meet notability criteria. Also other projects importance has been referred and cited with relevant media coverage. Pitchfort, Resident advisor and others. And as TechnoTalk has stated, while it is true that anybody can post music online, not many show a stable 200k+ monthly listeners on this platform. Apart from notable coverage in various media. thank you for your help in advance

The draft was rejected, meaning that it will not be considered further. If there is new information that the reviewer did not consider, please discuss that with them directly. Even topics that technically meet the notability criteria do not merit articles if there are not appropriate sources. 331dot (talk) 14:31, 30 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

22:08:15, 30 November 2021 review of submission by MarshalAndrewBrotherton

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MarshalAndrewBrotherton (talk) 22:08, 30 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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