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Template:1928 Summer Olympics field hockey convenience template navbox edit

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The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted by Izno (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 04:02, 11 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Unused. It appears most of the transcluded templates were deleted following this discussion. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 21:34, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Righeira tracks edit

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The result of the discussion was delete. Izno (talk) 05:01, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Only added to one article, but even if more, offers no improvement over current navigational means with Template:Righeira and Righeira (album). StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 20:09, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Original discussion edit

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The result of the discussion was speedy deleted under criterion G7. (non-admin closure) Tol (talk | contribs) @ 22:35, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Used in the creator's talk space one time. No other transclusions. No documentation, categories, or incoming links from discussions. Created in 2021. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:10, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Jonesey95: Tagged for G7. Tol (talk | contribs) @ 20:19, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:2004 Summer Olympics Argentina men's volleyball team roster edit

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 14:07, 17 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

unused after being merged with the parent article with attribution. Frietjes (talk) 16:02, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Vb cl0 team edit

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 14:07, 17 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

replaced by Module:Sports table/Volleyball Frietjes (talk) 15:59, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Canadian party colour edit

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The result of the discussion was no consensus. There may be consensus to convert one of the subtemplates to use Module:Political party/Template:Party color, but that is not what was originally proposed. Please feel free to continue the discussion elsewhere, or create a new nomination with a modified proposal. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 16:52, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Template:Canadian party colour with Template:Party color.
I have just come across this template, and others relating to it, and believe that its content can be merged into the widely-used "party colour" template. I understand that some users may be hesitant towards using the widely-used one, but it makes things simpler and memorable, instead of if there were party colour templates for each and every country. ValenciaThunderbolt (talk) 22:33, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support idea but not as proposed. Eventhough the name of Template:Canadian party colour suggests it returns a color, that is in fact, not true, as it has multiple options it can return, including a color. The color template is actually Template:Canadian party colour/colour. That said, I agree that handling all information in Module:Political party is correct. This just means that any handling of this template will need additionaly to decouple the usages of this template into the more standard Party x family of templates that are used for other countries. Gonnym (talk) 22:42, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. This merger proposal has pretty much broken tons of page this template is used on such as List of prime ministers of Canada. Given that thousands of pages are affected by this template, is there anything we can do so it continues to render properly with the tag? —WildComet talk 23:48, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. All pages using this template are now broken because of the merger proposal. Suggest rolling back the template page for the duration of the discussion. Kiwichris (talk) 00:05, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: Despite what the template is named, it does much more than simply return a colour: it's also instrumental in the formating of election results tables, and even used to generate party names for infoboxes. Even the colour return is a bit more complicated than it initially appears, since it's also used to generate colours for common historical non-party designations, which often come in various permutations — sure, you could have Template:Party colour make Labour candidates and parties in Canada return the label "Labour" and the colour pink, but Template:Canadian party colour allows Wikipedia to preserve the precise name they ran under (which could be "Labour", or "Farmer-Labour, "Independent Labour", "Federated Labour", etc). As such, this proposal isn't as simple as just replacing one template with another; the way Template:Canadian party colour is used would require large changes to huge numbers of pages, changes that I imagine go beyond simple automation. I can see that, sure, it may not have been the ideal to have a country-specific template, or to set it up like this, but why fix what isn't broken? — Kawnhr (talk) 00:10, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: As the one who proposed this merger, I apologise for causing pages to be broken. @Kawnhr: You do realise that you can add party names that return the colour of a different party, right? For example, if you add "Democratic Liberal Party" in the party colour, it will return the colour for "New Korea Party", as they used the same colour. ValenciaThunderbolt (talk) 11:50, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: In general, I like standardizing things like this. As other users observed, the merger would only replace Template:Canadian party colour/colour, not the entire functionality of the template. But I'm most worried about complicating Template:Canadian election result. Now, it can be used with a simple input like {{CANelec|NL|Liberal|John Doe|1,000,000}}. Would we have to change that to something like {{CANelec|Liberal Party (Newfoundland and Labrador)|John Doe|1,000,000}} on all 13,000 pages, or would we find a way to convert short inputs to the inputs needed for the global party color module? —Arctic Gnome (talk • contribs) 17:04, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: I've found it generally beneficial for having a localized template. I think it's less burdensome for a user to request changes to a Canadian template than one that spans the globe. I know I'd be less likely to update a global template if a user asks for a change, but I'm happy to update the Canadian template when someone comes along with a request.-- Earl Andrew - talk 06:31, 11 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: The proposed change evokes Rube Goldberg to me. G. Timothy Walton (talk) 17:45, 11 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Izno (talk) 04:00, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support idea: I also came across this Template just now and I agree to the generalisation of these templates. However, as pointed out by others, this merging would be troublesome and would involve both shortnames and colours of the Canadian parties. It is perhaps more feasible to do it step-by-step: first inputing data to Module:Political party, then make changes at the widely-used infobox of election articles or at lists.~~ J. Dann 23:11, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, for the reasons given by Kawnhr and Earl Andrew. In particular, the more pages a template is used on, the harder it is to have changes made. I've seen needed changes made to the Canadian party colours template, quite simply, by a discussion on the Canadian discussion board, with quick fixes. That's easy to do when the template is only used on 7,700 pages, and most of the people who work on those pages are Canadians and understand the party nuances quickly. I doubt that will happen if the merger goes through and now it's used on 76,000 pages, with interested posters from around the world who are not familiar with Canadian politics. I remember one very well-respected American editor who made a change on the Canadian party colour template that mucked things up, but quickly corrected it when the error was explained. He acknowledged he didn't understand the implications. I've also tried to get changes made on other templates that are "one size fits all" but don't; no-one cares on the templates used world wide if they don't display properly on Canadian political sites. All I've got to requests for fixes is crickets. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 02:08, 15 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:RLWC08 PoolA edit

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 14:06, 17 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

unused after being merged with the parent article with attribution. Frietjes (talk) 01:17, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Largest population centres of Vancouver Island edit

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 14:05, 17 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

now duplicates Vancouver Island#Demographics and Cuba#Largest cities Frietjes (talk) 01:14, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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