Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2021 September 5

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The result of the discussion was speedy delete as WP:CSD#G7. ✗plicit 13:58, 11 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Template:SPI empty report (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Appears to not be used anywhere. Possibly an experimental version of {{SPI report}} that never saw light of day. See WT:SPI/C#Is Template:SPI empty report in use?. -- RoySmith (talk) 19:25, 5 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as unused. If a current use is found, I will re-consider my !vote but my default would be to keep if in use. Dreamy Jazz ^{talk to me | my contributions} 19:52, 5 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Just to clarify, I'm assuming this is unused. If somebody discovers that it is actually being used somewhere, then obviously I'll withdraw the nomination. -- RoySmith (talk) 00:07, 6 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Not used. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 14:12, 8 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Apparently nine years ago there were enough IRC requests from checkusers to create empty cases (that they can then dump CU results into) that I created this. Clearly it has long fallen into disuse, considering that nobody changed the formatting to match {{SPI report}}. Feel free to G7 this. T. Canens (talk) 05:39, 10 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:2016 National Women's League table (New Zealand)

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The result of the discussion was delete. Izno (talk) 22:42, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Template:2016 National Women's League table (New Zealand) (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:2017 National Women's League table (New Zealand) (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:2018 National Women's League table (New Zealand) (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:2019 National Women's League table (New Zealand) (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:2020 Women's Premiership (New Zealand) (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

All single-use standings that should be substituted on the respective season articles. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 15:14, 14 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The practice of using section transclusion with only include tags to transclude a table is inferior to using a template, because it prevents the use of VTE links and is confusing for less experienced editors. As a best practice, section transclusion should be used when the purpose is to transclude the section, not as a workaround to avoid a template. Easier to handle vandislism of results when on its own separate template as well. — NZFC^(talk)^(cont) 20:10, 14 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Section transclusion is not what I'm proposing. Just that the standings including the ones right above this one be a table format. We shouldn't have templates to be used only for one article. It should be used across multiple spaces. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 20:46, 14 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Why? What harms does it do to have them. Seems you are on your own personal crusade to decide for everyone what's best. You going to get every one purpose template delete on Wikipedia? — NZFC^(talk)^(cont) 21:17, 14 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not on a crusade to decide for everyone. No need for a remark like that. Single-use is problematic because it doesn't make good use of template space. Templates should be transcluded across multiple spaces, not just one. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:24, 14 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

WikiCleanerMan actually I apologise for my personal comments about you, that was uncalled for. Even if we discussed, I should have keep the discussion to the topic at hand. — NZFC^(talk)^(cont) 23:52, 14 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep It is much easier to upkeep and monitor vandalism when the league table is under a separate template, as well as gives the ability to easily transclude in multiple pages about the season. --SuperJew (talk) 22:43, 14 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Giant Snowman 13:43, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Subst and delete - these are old seasons no nothing to update. Giant Snowman 13:46, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per above. Seany91 (talk) 14:43, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
delete after substitution (only used in one article). Frietjes (talk) 17:27, 20 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Subst and delete. There is no need to create templates that hold article content. Gonnym (talk) 13:29, 21 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 19:18, 21 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Substitute content onto each respective primary page and then delete. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 22:04, 21 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Substitute and delete per above, single-use templates. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 22:20, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Welsh Electoral Area Election box begin

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 16:12, 12 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Welsh Electoral Area Election box begin (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Scottish Electoral Area Election box begin (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Both are redundant now after I made the fix to the coding on the articles where these were used. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 14:51, 26 August 2021 (UTC) [reply]

Pre-relist discussion about changes made to templates (no !votes)

WikiCleanerMan, why did you remove the table headings? compare your version with the prior version. the table headings are needed for WP:ACCESSIBILITY. Frietjes (talk) 19:44, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It's unnecessary to have. These are tables for election results. These individual results should not be used with a separate template coding. But I just saw my error, I'll fix it. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 19:48, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

no, the table headings are needed. you can't just replace these with {{election table}} without adding the table headings. Frietjes (talk) 19:50, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Frietjes, is there an alternative template that can provide the necessary headings. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 20:03, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

not a general one, as far as I know. there are some templates like {{election results}}, but those add specific headings and do much more than just add the top of the table. if you check most of the transclusions of {{election table}} you will see the table headings immediately following the template. Frietjes (talk) 20:05, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Frietjes, I've been checking a preview of my potential fixes, using the class table wiki format of the original Scottish electoral template seems to apply the fix. It adds the original headings back before my changes. Would that be an acceptable alternative? --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 20:18, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@WikiCleanerMan: Not sure if you've missed what the issue is here, but there are no column headings in the table now – i.e. "Party, Elected candidates, Seats" etc is missing from the top of the table in the example Frietjes linked to above. Tables like this need headings so readers understand what is in the columns. It should be easy to add these to the tables in question. Number 5 7 20:31, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Number 57, yeah I realized it. But my potential fix on the sturgeon article uses the original coding from the Scottish Electoral template which adds the headings back. I'm assuming that would be acceptable instead of relying on the actual template. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 20:34, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Never mind. It's been fixed now.--WikiCleanerMan (talk) 20:35, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

yes, what a mess, but I think I fixed all of them. Frietjes (talk) 20:35, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, thanks, apologies for this. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 20:40, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I've tweaked the ones on the Sturgeon article slightly as electiontable doesn't work with election box (as it leaves the party names right-aligned). Cheers, Number 5 7 20:41, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Number 57, thank you, I see the alignment difference. if you want to check the others you can find them here and here. Frietjes (talk) 20:53, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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