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The good works of his honest life

In the film A Good Marriage there is a funeral, and at the graveside where you would expect to hear "in sure and certain hope of the Resurrection to eternal life" and all that, the priest says something along the lines of "the good works of his honest life recommend him to thee at the Day of Resurrection". What sort of priest would say a thing like that? Thank you, DuncanHill (talk) 00:30, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

What denomination is the priest in that film? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 01:59, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Is the question I am asking. DuncanHill (talk) 05:21, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

I thought you were asking in general. I haven't seen the film in question. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 05:32, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

I'm asking what denomination or sect would include such a thing at the graveside. DuncanHill (talk) 11:46, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Various subtitles suggest it is "In the sure belief that the good works of his honest life will recommend him to thee on the day of judgment." Nil Einne (talk) 06:22, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

• So, what makes the question hard to answer are two factors: 1) There are many denominations for which there is not a formal, prescribed, script that the ministers of that denomination are expected to read, and many denominations have ministers that speak extemporaneously and so it would be impossible to nail down a specific denomination just from a sentence said at a funeral. 2) This is a work of fiction, and not a documentary, and as such, there is no requirement that the author of the work of fiction is even trying to adhere to reality that closely. They may have (in fact likely did) just made up something that sounds plausible, rather than trying to accurately document a religious ceremony. They are writers after all, not sociologists. --Jayron32 12:11, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

And they may have deliberately created a form of words used by no actual denomination to avoid possible offense being taken. {The poster formely known as 87.81.230.195} 51.198.141.181 (talk) 15:56, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

A Google search for ["we commit thy servant" "on the day of judgment" -"Anderson"] has 0 ghits,^[1] which IMO shows that the formula was made up by the script writers. The sort of priest that would say a thing like that is prone to theological lapsus: it should be either "we commit Thy servant N.N. to Thee", or "we commit Thy servant's body to the ground".  --Lambiam 22:28, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

It was the good works that bothered me theologically. I'm sure no Reformed priest would mention them during the burial of the dead. DuncanHill (talk) 00:00, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

What about a pastor from the Methodist movement? Our article Justification (theology) states: "For Methodists along with other groups belonging to the Holiness Movement, salvation can be lost with the loss of faith or through sinning (cf. conditional security)." And the article section Good works § Methodist Churches states: "John Wesley, the founder of the Methodist Churches, taught that the keeping of the moral law contained in the Ten Commandments,^[17] as well as engaging in the works of piety and the works of mercy, were "indispensable for our sanctification".^[18]"  --Lambiam 09:54, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

(EC) While I assume the OP is aware of this, just a note for anyone who hasn't seen the movie and hasn't read the plot summary, the 'good works' etc part actually fits into a key plot element. The decedent was actually a rapist and serial killer. However this isn't and won't be known to most people including obviously the priest and nearly everyone at the funeral, his wife secretly murdered him after uncovering his crimes. Although she isn't the only one to know as a retired detective had also correctly deduced he was the murderer, as well as the fact she had murdered him. It's mentioned very near the end by this detective that she'll have to put up with their children's fond memories about him etc (including I guess his good works), telling them to grandkids, and maybe even reminisce herself on occasion. I.E. there's a reason the script writers may have wanted something like the line even if it wasn't theologically accurate for most flavours of Christianity. Nil Einne (talk) 11:21, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

If I understand aright, Quakers hold that meritorious Unbelievers may be admitted to the Kingdom of Heaven; furthermore, they abjure formulaic pronouncements. If I understand aright. Doug butler (talk) 11:17, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

What this book says about women cycling in Arab world

1) At resource exchange one needs to give page numbers. Hopefully following book is supposed to have some references to women cycling in Arab world. Myself could not get adequate preview @ google books. But google books shares different preview to everyone so some else may help me out in informing, What this book says about women cycling in Arab world and page or chapter numbers. I am likely to use in the article (Women's) Bicycling in Islam .

• Amara, M.. Sport, Politics and Society in the Arab World. United Kingdom, Palgrave Macmillan UK, 2011.

2) I do have one US citation saying ".. Taqlid one form of Islamic jurisprudence, inferred that, " Quran prohibits women from riding horses, horses are like bicycles in that you have to mount them, Automobiles, in turn, are like bicycles in that they are a form of transportation. .." I am also looking for citation suggestions either concurring this line or otherwise.

Bookku (talk) 09:15, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

User:Bookku, there is a preview of that book here, also Sport, Politics and Society in the Middle East (2019), but a Google search for your quote didn't find anything. We also have an article; Bicycling in Islam. Alansplodge (talk) 16:57, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

@Alansplodge The second one is available on archives.org Since citation is longer I did not quote earlier. It's by Christopher Stuart, since it is from academic publication most probably shall count as RS. Similar info seems available on google search non-RS. I am looking for preferably one more RS sources that shall help confirm and lesser disputation later. Bookku (talk) 13:31, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

• Title: "From "mother of the world" to the "third world" and back again, The harmonization cycle between Islam and the global economy Author:Christopher Stuart Work:Editor: Backer, Larry Catá (2007) Carolina Academic Press Harmonizing Law in an Era of Globalization Convergence, Divergence, and Resistance. page 285 ,

Bookku (talk) 13:31, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

The Kamloops Standard

I was reading some British Coulmbian newspapers from the early 1900's when I saw a few mentions of a Kamloops newspaper called the Kamloops Standard. I thought it would be digitized like many other newspapers but I could find almost no mention of this paper online save a few books citing it as one of their sources or quotes. I did find this article, https://www.newspapers.com/clip/118345778/ which contains many quotes meaning the author had access to some papers. This article,https://www.newspapers.com/clip/118345849/ here mentions a Kamloops Standard although only from 1914-1924 which cuts out the first fifteen years or so since its founding in 1897.[2] Are there any libraries I could contact who might have copies? It seems like it was a fairly big paper given its frequent mentions in its contemporaries pages but I just cannot find anything. Thanks in advance. Gandalf the Groovy (talk) 13:23, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

here is the contact information for the Kamloops Library, it seems to be the main branch of the Thompson-Nicola Regional District Library System. I suspect that's going to be the best bet. If that doesn't work, the University of British Columbia Library is one of the largest research libraries in Canada, that may be a good place to try next. --Jayron32 13:28, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

UBC Library definitely has, or at least in 1974 had copies of the paper. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 23:20, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

seems like they still do Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 23:22, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

As does University of Winnipeg (1897-1916), and Thompson Rivers University Library (1897-1910), and the Canadian archives (seemingly Dec. 1, 1898 - June 23, 1916) Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 23:27, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

If you have specific issues of the paper you are looking for, WP:REX would likely be able to assist. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 23:28, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

(Copied from my response at WP:REX) The website https://arch.tnrl.ca/ appears to have full scans of the newspaper from 1897 to 1923. The interface is not perfectly intuitive; after selecting a newspaper and date it seems that each page scan has to be downloaded individually. But it looks like it's all there. Shells-shells (talk) 06:59, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Confirmation of Cycling day award

Turkish media has covered an awardee "Sema Gür – Turkey – cycling advocate for women" but other than Turkish media I could just get this blog note . Many times local media of any country can boast things a little more than what they are so wish to confirm from non Turkish source. Is there any non Turkish RS available, may be in archives? or Ref from award giving organization it self for better clarity and confirmation/ verification. Bookku (talk) 17:41, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Here is an image of the award received by Pınar Pinzuti. Note that it does not name the conferring organization or agency and does not bear the official UN emblem but another emblem somewhat inspired by it.  --Lambiam 22:00, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

Cartoon

Please, can you help me to find if this manor is modeled from a real-life place? Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.207.135.196 (talk) 22:07, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

You could consult the archives to see what the answers were the previous times you posed these types of questions. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 22:37, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

It does not strike a chord as an existing building. As a private house, it would need to be enormous. If it is based on a real building, it would more probably be a palace of some sort. The architectural style is some modern reinterpretation of the neo-classical style but the shape of the structure, with the domed hexagonal tower in the central courtyard, is definitely not from that time period and more likely a post-modern interpretation of the style. Most likely, it was a figment of the imagination of manga's creator, based on the styles I mentioned. Xuxl (talk) 16:40, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

Slightly reminiscent of Somerset House in London. In Britain, a manor house would be of more modest proportions. Alansplodge (talk) 14:36, 14 February 2023 (UTC)