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June 23

GJohn dating

Here's an easy one. When was the gospel of John written? (How much later than Mark?) It's kinda hard to google Biblical stuff and get academic sources. It seems like this is something that should be on our page for the book! You know, on the sidebar to the right. you know, | release _date = 1 Jan 90 or whatever. (Yes, I know we don't have a specific date, but I'm sure we know roughly.) Temerarius (talk) 15:22, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

I had always heard it was around 90 AD, which Gospel of John also says (90-110 or so). ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 16:30, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

Here are two sources: Britannica gives c. 100 CE. The Catholic Encyclopedia says "the last decade of the first century, or to be still more precise, to 96 or one of the succeeding years" (based on a text from 200 CE that says it was written after John returned from Patmos, and other sources which say Domitian recalled the Patmos exiles in 96). 70.67.193.176 (talk) 19:02, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

Only a thesis, but An Analysis of the Arguments for the Dating of the Fourth Gospel sets out the various debating points clearly and lists which scholars support which hypothesis. Alansplodge (talk) 20:08, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

Lloyd George & Hirohito, and who else? And where are they?

Megan Lloyd George, David Lloyd George, Hirohito, Margaret Lloyd George, and others

In the attached picture we see in the front row, from left, Megan Lloyd George, David Lloyd George, Hirohito, and Margaret Lloyd George. I would be interested to know who the other people in the picture are, and to confirm that it was taken at Chequers. The file page gives a date of 15th May 1921. According to Rowland, Peter (1975). "The Man at the Top, 1918-1922". Lloyd George. London: Barrie & Jenkins. p. 536. ISBN 0214200493. on the 15th "he entertained Hirohito, the Crown Prince of Japan, at Chequers…" but that is all I know. Thank you, DuncanHill (talk) 16:10, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

Looks like picture was taken at same time as youtube video youtu.be/rBeElh81rBQ (seems I am not allowed to link it directly). Vid doesn't have a caption option so I can't tell you if the sound is useful or indeed if there is sound, but a person who can hear it could. The title card does confirm Chequers, at least. 70.67.193.176 (talk) 18:31, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

P.S. If no one turns up a real caption. The Japanese wiki article on the visit lists a number of Hirohito's top aides on the tour; you might search through their articles for leads? (Prince Kan'in Kotohito, Chinda Sutemi, Takeji Nara, Isamu Takeshita, Setsuzō Sawada, Koshiro Oikawa, Yoshinori Futara, and some others without English articles). Another possible candidate is the Japanese Ambassador, Hayashi Gonsuke (diplomat). 70.67.193.176 (talk) 19:05, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

Many thanks for the video link - there is no sound so you didn't miss anything there. I'll take a look through the other articles you linked. DuncanHill (talk) 20:29, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

Thank you! I guess that is par for the period. At least we got the where answered, even if we're still looking for the who.70.67.193.176 (talk) 22:07, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

The newsreel can also be seen at the British Pathé website here. DuncanHill (talk) 20:32, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

• I strongly suspect the last two in the front row are Prince Kan'in Kotohito and Chinda Sutemi, but wouldn't swear to it. DuncanHill (talk) 14:34, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

Croatian concentration camps During WWII

I noticed that none of the concentration camps in Croatia are on the List of Nazi concentration camps even though some where run by the Nazis directly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.104.11.149 (talk) 23:05, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

Which article are you talking about? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 01:24, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

List of Nazi concentration camps seems like a good candidate. OP, please confirm, and please remember to provide relevant wikilinks in future so others don't have to make (possibly wrong) assumptions or lengthy searches, which just delays answering you – our 5.8-plus million articles provide too many multiple possibilities (on any topic) for guesswork.

If my guess was correct, the answer is stated in the lede (first paragraph) of that article: it is a selection of (only) 68 out of about 1,200 listed by a West German Government report in 1967, while another source estimates (perhaps on different criteria) a total of some 15,000. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.122.177.55 (talk) 05:23, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

Also remember that the nazi concentration system had all sort of detention facilities, victims being moved from simple police custody to internment camp to final extermination camps. And those facilities would also serve other purpose, a person detained would not automatically end in extermination camp. So the cut off is not that easy, as usual in real world. Gem fr (talk) 07:59, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

The complete list of concentration camps with Wikipedia articles would be at Category:Nazi concentration camps by country. Notably there is no section for Croatia, because it was not a country at the time, though there are several articles on concentration camps in Yugoslavia. Someguy1221 (talk) 05:45, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

Actually, there was the Independent State of Croatia (not recognized by the Allies)... AnonMoos (talk) 11:47, 24 June 2019 (UTC)