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What kind of musical instrument is a "plaque"?

The Hornbostel–Sachs classification system for musical instruments refers to "friction plaques", "blown plaques", and "concussion plaques". What is a plaque, in this sense? The disambig page at Plaque does not seem to cover it. Thanks. 86.184.161.129 (talk) 00:33, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

It seems that a plaque is a mechanical part of a musical instrument, not an instrument itself. But I know no more than that. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 00:39, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

My limited search skill mostly lead to sites that are selling inscribed wall plaques but I did find this one for an oboe and this one for a bassoon. Maybe these pics will jog other editors memories. MarnetteD|Talk 01:24, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

I suspect it refers to the simplest definition of a plaque, i.e. a tablet or panel. Makes sense for friction and concussion plaques, where you either rub or strike them. A little more imagination is needed for blown ones, but since the Aeolsklavier is "an instrument consisting of several pieces of wood which vibrate when air is blown onto them by a set of bellows", it's not too much of a stretch to imagine a "piano chanteur" with thin(?) wooden plaques. (Wind instrument plaques, on the other hand, seem to be used for shaping reeds.[1]) Clarityfiend (talk) 01:34, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

Further along Clarityfiend's line, it can perhaps be inferred from this that the distinction between a "stick" and a "plaque" is merely that a stick is circular in cross-section, whereas a plaque is rectangular in cross-section. Deor (talk) 10:25, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

In the original German publication, they use "Platte". As shapes or forms of acoustic resonators, the thin, flat plaques/"Platten" are contrasted with (or sit next to categories such as) sticks ("Stab/Stäbe"), vessels, tubes, etc. The "rod-shaped" in Deor's link is also stabförmig in the original Systematik der Musikinstrumente - Ein Versuch, and as they point out by the example of the xylophone, there is a smooth transition from plaques to sticks. (I took the translation "stick" from the WP article linked in the question). ---Sluzzelin talk 16:39, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

I see. So it's really just a shape descriptor. Thanks for the research! 86.184.161.129 (talk) 21:56, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

Yes, but it's a shape descriptor of the resonator (which isn't necessarily the entire instrument, certainly not in H&S's classification). Moreover, it's a bit of a fuzzy descriptor, by the authors' own admission. ---Sluzzelin talk 22:00, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

Question about US broadcast of the 1966 World Cup

A question for Nanonic and other watchers of this ref desk. In the season five episode "Signal 30" of Mad Men Lane Price is at a NYC bar filled with UK expats watching the 1966 FIFA World Cup final. I am wondering if this is an anachronism. The fact that it started at 10 am (give or take an hour as I am not sure what the DST situation was in both countries at the time) NYC time isn't a problem but I was too young so I can't remember whether the final was actually on US TV. I do remember watching the 1970 final on "Wide World of Sports" but the next two were only available on closed circuit TV. There is also a possibility that there was some kind of feed to NY that did not go to the rest of the country. Any info that any of you can provide will be appreciated. MarnetteD|Talk 16:08, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

According to This forum post the 1966 World Cup was the first broadcast in the U.S. on NBC on same day tape delay. The 10AM live feed on Mad Men would have therefor been incorrect, but other than that, one would have been able to see it in the U.S. on TV, as it was shown on a national network. --Jayron32 17:24, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Jayron32. To be fair the time of day is not mentioned in the episode and the 10 am was just WP:OR guesswork on my part :-) The fact that it was tape delayed actually fits better with what is shown onscreen - WP:SYNTH now as well. Cheers and thanks again. MarnetteD|Talk 17:49, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

I note that the memories of the person who made that post back in '06 mostly jibe with mine except for the 1970 Cup final. That is likely due to the fact that "WWoS" did not air the final until Dec 26th of that year (see List of events broadcast on Wide World of Sports (U.S. TV series)#1970) - I thought that it had been tape delayed - I didn't remember that six months had passed since the final had been played. Amazing. MarnetteD|Talk 18:18, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

BTW, our List of FIFA World Cup broadcasters says that the 1966 broadcast on NBC was commentated by Jim Simpson. Alansplodge (talk) 21:10, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

And much to my surprise, I even found the time for you: "Soccer from London □ NBC-TV will present the World Cup soccer championship match in special telecast via Early Bird satellite from London on July 30 (12-2 p.m. NYT). Play-byplay will be provided by NBC sports- caster Jim Simpson" from Broadcasting Volume 70 [2] Alansplodge (talk) 22:35, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

Great stuff Alansplodge thanks for your research and for bringing it to my attention. Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 02:39, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

You're welcome. Alansplodge (talk) 07:58, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Jodi Arias: Dirty Little Secret

Where can I watch this movie legally? 178.5.122.34 (talk) 18:46, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

Here is the official website. Many Lifetime Network movies are availible on DVD or digital download. Alas, this one is not. The answer may be "nowhere" for now, unless it is made available by the producers. --Jayron32 18:51, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

Thank You for answering me. Why did they make the movie if nobody can watch it? Is there no any chance to watch it? (in germany) 178.5.122.34 (talk) 19:11, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

They are probably in negotiations and currently "playing hardball". From the other end, I know Netflix plays hardball, too, as their programs keep disappearing whenever they start negotiating. StuRat (talk) 22:13, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

Many made-for-TV films have never been released on DVD or via streaming. They've been made for decades and only released on the channel for which they were made. Yes, nowadays it's customary to have them available after the airing via DVD or streaming but there's nothing to say that every made-for-TV film will be put out via those mediums.

Additionally, it may never see distribution in Germany because Lifetime may think it won't sell well enough to bother. After all, Arias is American and the case, to my knowledge, has no ties to Germany which would make it relevant to viewers there. Dismas|^(talk) 23:32, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Naturally, it's available to download on torrent sites. Some might say that such downloading would be justified by the film's lack of legal availability. I couldn't possibly comment. --Viennese Waltz 07:13, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

I can. Illegal downloads are illegal. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 08:53, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

My experience is that at least for US stuff, much of it is in fact released in the form of online purchase video on demand at least for US customers. That is the case here for example Xbox VUDU Amazon iTunes. (For online purchase VOD, AFAIK everyone uses the agency model. So there's no "hardball" to play. The copyright holder sets the price, the agent takes their 30% cut. Okay the agent normally does limit the maximum price, and theoretically the copyright holder could hold out for a bigger cut than 70% but realisticly not likely to be an issue for a TV movie, and that's about it AFAIK.)

There is an iTunes link on the official site, but it seems to be broken for me. Again I don't think it's uncommon that official sites fail to link to some, or all of the avenues to legally view the content, even if what they link to, if anything, isn't available to some purchasers.

Other websites may do a better job, e.g. I found VUDU from TV.com, which also links to Amazon and iTunes [3]. IMdb, despite being owned by Amazon now, doesn't seem to link to anything. (The alternative is to look at the major sites, if it isn't on them, it probably isn't anywhere unless it's some obscure release where the copyright holders may have intentionally withheld it from all of them.)

I did say for people inside the US. Unfortunately people living outside the US may either have to work out how to convince these sites in to thinking they are from the US (which may be legal in some places), or use other avenues. For the former, you should be able to easily find guides on how to do it in general, or specifically for any of those 4 sites I linked to earlier.

That looks looks to be the case here. Neither Xbox NZ nor iTunes NZ have the video and Amazon tells me I need a US credit card on an account without any credit card or money and I suspect VUDU doesn't have any options for non US customers. I don't think putative customers in Germany are likely to have much luck either, but you could check your local video on demand providers (probably including Xbox, Amazon and iTunes although I think I already checked the former 2).

BTW, I also came across some sources suggesting it's available on Netflix for US customers. However as Netflix themselves seem to make it impossible to search what content they have without both an account and being geolocated to whatever country's content you want to look at, I can verify this.

Nil Einne (talk) 15:13, 14 April 2015 (UTC)