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February 1

Finding a piece of music

On Vh1 classic recent documentary "Metal Evolution" on the episode on Power Rock, episode ten aired the past saturday, they started out with a song and video from a band. I liked it but for the life of me, I can't figure out who it is or what's the song's name. Is there anyone who can help me.152.27.56.87 (talk) 00:35, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Lyrics and/or a description of the video would be useful to answer your question. You've basically told us about a show which has dozens of songs and videos in it, and then asked us to identify one of them, without any clues as to which. As an aside, I think VH1 Classic has many of its shows availible on its website for streaming (I know it has That Metal Show, I've watched episodes I missed online before). If you rewatch the episode, it may have something you missed identifying the song. --Jayron32 01:06, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

The episode is available online here - I don't know the band/song, but maybe someone else can identify it. Umm, Jayron, "without any clues as to which (video)"? The OP asked about the video that starts off the 10th episode, I think that's a rather exact description :P -- Ferkelparade π 10:14, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

At 43:28 there is a list of musical pieces that appeared in the show. The streamed version is a bit low-resolution, but if the OP has access to the original HD version somehow, they could figure it out. --Jayron32 20:16, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

If you have a smartphone, there are apps like Shazam (service) or Soundhound (which also does query by humming) that can identify what song is playing if you use them during the song. You might try those. Meelar (talk) 21:02, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

I just got home and checked Shazam. If you're referring to the song at the very opening of the episode (when they're showing the castle on-screen) it's "Rain of a Thousand Flames" by Rhapsody (full band name may be Rhapsody of Fire). Meelar (talk) 07:06, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

two unrelated questions...

how many songs would the average radio station have?

in runescape, what stat affects defence against ranged, and magic (I assume defence already covers melee defence)? I've searched the web, but nothing has actually said whether the stat is defence (affecting all three combat types), or ranged (for ranged) and magic (for magic).

99.43.78.36 (talk) 05:33, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

You need to give us some context for the first question. My only guess is that you are asking how many sub-channels the average over-the-air digital TV station has, in the US. Is this what you are asking ? StuRat (talk) 05:55, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

(Note that the OP added the word "radio" and changed "tracks" to "songs", which makes my request for clarification look silly.) StuRat (talk) 06:57, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

So the original question was, "how many tracks does the average station have?" when the question was nothing to do with railways? I know who I think looks silly. Britmax (talk) 10:00, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

I considered that interpretation, too, but decided the TV station take on it matched the post being on the Entertainment Desk better. StuRat (talk) 18:32, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

I think the first question may be more along the lines of "how many songs does the average radio station have access to that they can play?", or something similar. This information is often contained in the given station's playlist. I remember reading an article on local radio saying that the average top-40 radio station in the United States may have around 120-140 songs in what's called "heavy rotation"; that means you'll hear them rather frequently throughout the day (for really popular songs, maybe every couple of hours). As to how many grand total they use, that again depends on the station. Some top-40 stations have decades weekends or similar promotions (such as "all-80s" or "all-90s" weekends) where they use songs not normally in their regular playlists. --McDoobAU93 06:16, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Question 1 was asked last November[1] and nobody seemed to know then. I suspect the answer ranges from thousands for a small station to millions for something like the BBC. --Colapeninsula (talk) 09:49, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

I can only go by what Live365 stations seem to do. Radio Rock UK, the one to which I listen most, has a playlist of 150 ish. The jukebox selects songs from that playlist. About 10% of songs are added and subtracted every month. --TammyMoet (talk) 16:35, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

The radio station of my misspent youth, Q101, used to do a promotion at the end of the year where they played every song in their library, in alphabetical order. I seem to remember it being a few thousand songs (obviously most of those were rarely if ever played during normal operations). In the end, I think it's probably an unanswerable question. Especially with the Internet, I suspect that if a station wants to get its hands on a given song, it can, so it's hard to draw an arbitrary line and say "these are all the songs we have". "These are the songs we've played regularly in the last <time period>" is probably a better definition. Meelar (talk) 18:23, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

For question two, in runescape, defense and magic level both affect magic (and magic-based melee) defense. Ranged defense is based only on defense level, I think. Rmhermen (talk) 19:59, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

OR and personal experience: Based on radio stations I have worked at, the number of songs ranged from a few hundred at stations with limited playlists, to tens of thousands for more freeform formats. (The number actually seemed to diminish the further I moved in my career. My college radio station WRKC had a library of 5,000 to 6,000 albums, each of which had probably 10 to 20 songs; you do the math. This was in the late 1970s, when everything was still on vinyl albums — the library filled a good-sized room.)    → Michael J Ⓣ Ⓒ 04:24, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

According to this source (linked from the stubby Egton House) the BBC had "over a million records" in 1992. AndrewWTaylor (talk) 11:25, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

More OR and a bit of an aside... A station near me had a benefit of sorts where if you donated money (they didn't care how much and just took your word for it that you did it) to a local charity that they would play you any song that they could get hold of. There were certain stipulations, like it couldn't be vulgar and it had to be a song that their listeners would probably enjoy. They would, if they didn't already have the song in their library, download it from somewhere (iTunes was mentioned several times) and play it. Dismas|^(talk) 18:55, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

1926 baseball medal

My grandfather left me his 1926 baseball champion medal its sterling silver and has L O L champions on the front with a player standing holding a bat ready to swing the back has his name engraved T.Daniel 1926 would you have any information about the medal or the leage he played in? I believe it is from montreal — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.92.144.151 (talk) 16:41, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

The only baseball teams I know of offhand from Montreal were the Montreal Royals, formerly of the International League, and the Montreal Expos, now currently the Washington Nationals. Neither played in 1926. Perhaps you could find some more information at List of defunct baseball teams in Canada or Baseball in Canada. As a wild guess, "LOL" sounds like it could stand for something like "Lower Ontario League" or something "Ontario League", it may have been something like a medal from a municipal amateur baseball league, a recreation league, or something like that. There are a few "native" Canadian leagues which have a history dating back that far, such as the Intercounty Baseball League. The website Baseball-reference.com has their own online encyclopedia, modeled after Wikipedia, which has some more info. You may want to search there. I did find some info on things like the Quebec-Ontario-Vermont League and the Quebec Provincial League, neither of which played in 1926. Some exploring on their website, however, may lead you to more information than Wikipedia will. --Jayron32 18:53, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

No organized minor leagues abbreviated L O L in 1926.[2] Nor any Montreal teams. Could be an industrial league. I'll see if I can find out anything. (When I see "L O L", I think "Land O' Lakes", but I don't know what they would have had to do with a baseball medal in Montreal.) ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 19:14, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

I'm not finding anything. That includes not finding a minor leaguer named "T. Daniel" who fits the time period. However, minor league records are incomplete. Has the OP thought of scanning the medal and uploading it? Someone might recognize it. Scan the reverse side, too, if it has anything engraved on it. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 02:36, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Is it possible that the LOL could stand for Loyal Orange Lodge. On the other hand if the medal is from Montreal there is a minor possibility that it is French but not very likely. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 14:22, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

It's quite possible, as any league name would begin with Ligue. Can the OP say if there are any hallmarks on it or how he knew it was sterling? The design sounds very conventional for a baseball award. There are locations in Montreal and area with an L, Laval, Quebec for example. I suggest calling Baseball Canada, they may have archivists.--Wehwalt (talk) 16:50, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Think I found it -- the Lower Ottawa Baseball League: [3] -- Mwalcoff (talk) 02:43, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Football (soccer) coaches

Are/were there any football coaches who have/had not been footballers earlier in life? Thanks in advance. 92.80.62.93 (talk) 20:28, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

A person here points to a place that lists five who never played, but you have to provide some personal info before entering the list site. I can't resist pointing out Todd Haley as an American football example. Clarityfiend (talk) 20:48, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

From the current era there are those such as Avram Grant who have never played for a team in youth or senior levels. Back in the olden days (1890-1920) most Club Secretaries had not played the game at any non-leisure level. Nanonic (talk) 20:53, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Oh and André Villas-Boas and Les Parry. There are scores more in the lower leagues. Nanonic (talk) 20:59, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

An article on a blacklisted site ("Successful Coaches in the FIFA World Cup Who Never Played Football!") lists Alberto Perreira (Carlos Alberto Parreira) and American Bob Bradley. Clarityfiend (talk) 21:00, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Side note: In the NFL, one coach (and owner) who comes to mind meeting this criterion was George Preston Marshall of the Washington Redskins. It's possible he played in his amateur days, but as an adult he was strictly on the sidelines. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 02:34, 2 February 2012 (UTC)