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Suggestions for FPC edit

Integrated circuit edit

 
Original - Integrated circuit:Wide angle shot of the memory microchip

Wonderful pictureof high ev

Articles this image appears in
Integrated circuit
Creator
TenIslands
Suggested by
Extra 999 (Contact me) 04:44, 18 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • To be honest this doesn't do much for me; I mean it's quite nicely done, but looking at it larger it has issues. The image quality itself isn't terrible, but it's pretty unexceptional (i.e., it's not that good). The samples illustrated are also pretty scuffed. Furthermore I don't really think the DOF really works for this image as it's been arranged - illustrating the three facets of the IC you'd really want them all in focus, not have the DOF trailing off as it does here (it would probably need a focus stack or combination of several images to do this properly); generally that's not such as issue, but just the way this has been set up I feel it's created this as an issue for itself. I also can't help feeling that after all that we're really not seeing an actual 'circuit' itself anyway. --jjron (talk) 13:47, 24 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Princeton University Class of 1879 edit

 
Original - The Princeton University Class of 1879

High resolution scan of an old photograph. I rebalanced the shadows to make it less washed out and removed the yellow. Even if this doesn't make it through FPC I'd like to know how else I can improve it. Thanks.

Articles this image appears in
List of Princeton University people
Creator
Lagrange613
Suggested by
Lagrange613 00:05, 12 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • I personally don't think it's suitable for FP - beyond anything else, EV is pretty dubious. Perhaps if you could identify some notable alumni in the image, EV would be better. TBH, I also doubt you'll get image quality high enough. In terms of improving it further, the first step would be to remove that big dark smudge on the left-hand side; getting rid of it would require a bit of work, but would be a big positive. Additionally there's a heck of a lot of dust and scratches at fullsize that could pretty easily be removed with a bit of casual cloning and healing in Photoshop. Also strikes me as having a very minor clockwise tilt (probably only 0.1° to 0.2°) which could also be pretty easily fixed. Regards, --jjron (talk) 10:46, 13 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Agree with jjron. Even if some of the people in the image are notable, the image quality isn't high enough for any of them to be identifiable. Makeemlighter (talk) 20:07, 7 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Agree with jj and Makeem. Pteronura brasiliensis 17:14, 24 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Sunset across the Ryogoku bridge edit

 
Original - Part of the series: Thirty-six Views of Mount Fuji

High resolution and quality. High EV as it is part of a notable series by a notable artist. Visually appealing.

Articles this image appears in
Manji (era), Sumida River, Thirty-six Views of Mount Fuji
Creator
User:Petrusbarbyger
Suggested by
Extra 999 (Contact me) 03:46, 11 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • I was considering nominating this. Pretty clear how I'd vote (although I suggest waiting for another opinion before nominating) Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:27, 12 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Semar Puppet edit

 
Original - A modern shadow puppet (wayang kulit) of Semar

Striking colours and high resolution

Articles this image appears in
Semar
Creator
Crisco 1492
Suggested by
Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:41, 7 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • Personally I find this disconcerting as a cutout - I'd rather see it in some sort of context of a shadow puppet. Additionally the cutout needs work; it's a little rough. IQ isn't great either. --jjron (talk) 15:47, 10 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • As a shadow puppet, by definition the colours would not come through, and thus would have lower EV. Perhaps a side by side comparison, shadow puppet and cutout? Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:46, 11 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Cumulonimbus calvus edit

 
Original - A cumulonimbus calvus from the south face of Mount Merapi. It is hanging over the city of Yogyakarta. I was approximately 2,000 feet (610 m) up at the time I took this picture.

High resolution and a very attractive shot of the cloud. The contrast between the bright sky and foggy land is striking.

Articles this image appears in
Cumulonimbus calvus
Creator
Crisco 1492
Suggested by
Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:38, 7 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • I think that the top cloud is in focus more than the rest and the ratio of how much of the picture the cloud takes up compared to how much of the rest of the picture there is leaves the balance a bit off. I'd want to see the bottom cropped a bit more, I think. Pteronura brasiliensis 17:17, 24 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Arizona meets New York edit

 
Original - The USS Arizona in 1916, after being commissioned.
 
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The image is of high EV and is visually stunning. Between Cenpacrr and myself I feel that it has been well restored.

Articles this image appears in
USS Arizona (BB-39)
Creator
Original picture: US Navy. Restoration: Centpacrr and Crisco 1492
Suggested by
Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:24, 7 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • I really like this one. Possible issues - a bit soft at full-res, but having said which, there's plenty of resolution to spare. The buildings in the background have a definite clockwise tilt, but it doesn't seem consistent (seems to get worse working from left to right), so it could be partly an element of lens distortion; this could be improved a bit pretty easily. An unfortunate overlap of those masty things on the top of the ship (whatever they are, I know bugger-all about ships) with relatively similar background items; nothing you can do about it, and it's not so bad when viewed full-res, but even at image-page size it's a bit off-putting. Just for the record, was the restoration strictly a dust and scratches thing? I'd say give it a try at FPC. --jjron (talk) 11:01, 13 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Hmmm, there's a few aspects I'm a bit hazy about on further thought. I'm thinking it seems to be a pincushion distortion causing that tilt on the buildings, but as I said it's quite noticeable on the right, almost non-existent on the left; I'm wondering if this image has undergone a significant crop at some point for composition reasons, taking off the left-hand side? I'm also trying to work out why that little boat furthest left is so blurry; DOF shouldn't be an issue, I guess it could be a motion blur, but it would have had to been fairly hiking along. BTW, could I suggest you give it another quick once-over for scratches. --jjron (talk) 11:14, 13 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • How would one correct the "pincushion distortion"? The image was cropped and tilt corrected from its original TIFF. I could try and give it another look for scratches later today. Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:31, 15 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Original file on-Wiki here.
Hmmm, that distortion is a funny one, you could try a bit more rotation, but not sure that would help overall. Other than that you could do some distortion transforming, or even try a lens correction tool in Photoshop. I'm not sure how important it is. I'd have a play with it, but unfortunately my main computer has ceased to be, and I'm restricted to pretty limited equipment atm till I get the chance to buy a new machine. Just noticed there looks to be something seriously strange going on with the water between that front and centre boat and the main ship; not sure if that was introduced with the latest edit, but I didn't notice it before. --jjron (talk) 14:34, 15 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think you are right about that; it may have been introduced through compression or something... odd. I will have another go tomorrow; already late here. Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:17, 15 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've uploaded two different versions over each other, here, I tried to fix the distortion, please check both of them and let me know how are they.   ■ MMXX  talk  00:58, 26 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Hurricane Igor edit

 
Original - Hurricane Igor near peak intensity as a high-end Category 4 hurricane on the Saffir-Simpson hurricane scale.

I believe that this image would be suitable as a Featured Picture because not only was the hurricane notable, but this image captures the monster near its absolute peak intensity.

Articles this image appears in
2010 Atlantic hurricane season, Hurricane Igor, List of Category 4 Atlantic hurricanes, Timeline of the 2010 Atlantic hurricane season.
Creator
Uploaded by Cyclonebiskit, created by NASA
Suggested by
-- TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 02:09, 29 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • The eye is partially covered with clouds, and it's slightly ellipses-ed-shaped; also, the outer band's aren't brilliant enough. if this went through FPC, I would oppose. Sorry. HurricaneFan25 15:15, 29 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • It is a Category 4 hurricane, not a Category 5. Of course it isn't going to have a perfect structure. -- TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 20:51, 29 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • One main concern brought up with any tropical cyclone FPC is the multitude of high-quality satellite images available. This is a very well-developed storm that was caught at its prime by MODIS, something that doesn't happen often. Structurally, there are few flaws with the storm and I have to counter the argument brought up by HFan. They eye is quite circular and mostly cloud-free at the surface. What you're seeing is the stadium effect, something often seen in powerful hurricanes where there is some cloud cover from the top of the storm over the eye. That said, it is likely that this wont pass FPC on en.wikipedia (speaking from experience here) but I would wholeheartedly support it. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 20:55, 29 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Carl Edwards celebrating his 2011 Las Vegas Victory edit

 
Original - Carl Edwards celebrating his 2011 Kobalt Tools 400 win.

The article might be close to featured criteria, but before I nominate I would like other opinions on the image.

Articles this image appears in
2011 Kobalt Tools 400
Creator
Maverick Helicopters, Tom Donoghue (From Kobalt Tools 400 Winner, Carl Edwards)
Suggested by
Nascar1996(Talk • Contribs) 00:51, 16 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • Not high enough resolution, sorry. There are other problems (the background interferes with the main subject, Carl Edwards, who is also pretty small), but low resolution alone means this has no chance. See the second of the FP criteria. --Avenue (talk) 22:59, 16 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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War in Afghanistan 2010 (A) edit

 
Original - Marines destroy an improvised explosive device cache found in Southern Shorsurak, Helmand Province, Afghanistan.

High quality/resolution, Free license, Accurate and good captioning. Not a lot of featured pictures on Afghanistan or the War in Afghanistan (2001–present)

Articles this image appears in
Bomb disposal, Improvised explosive device, 3rd Battalion 3rd Marines, Marine Wing Support Squadron 274, War in Afghanistan (2001–present), Guerra do Afeganistão (2001–presente), 급조폭발물
Creator
Taken by Sgt. Mark Fayloga, USMC. Uploaded by Palm dogg
Suggested by
Palm_Dogg (talk) 05:24, 15 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • The levels adjustment really helped it, but there's still too much glare IMO. Much of the image is unsharp (not just the fast-moving bits), and it's tightly cropped above and below. Something about the pose of the closest soldier detracts from it too. Good caption, reasonable EV, but I think there are too many quality problems for this to do well at FPC. --Avenue (talk) 10:44, 15 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Would there be a more suitable place, such as VI or QI to nominate it? Palm_Dogg (talk) 00:54, 16 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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War in Afghanistan 2010 (B) edit

 
Original - Marines from Headquarters & Service Company, 3rd Battalion 3rd Marines, conducting a dawn patrol in Nawa District, Afghanistan.

High quality/resolution, Free license, Accurate and good captioning, with no digital manipulation. Has also been used by both the Marine Corps and The Economist, which is the main reason I'm including it here as an alternative. If the community thinks this has potential, I can fix the lack of articles ASAP.

Articles this image appears in
Nawa-I-Barakzayi District, Silhouette, United States Marine Corps
Creator
Taken by Sgt. Mark Fayloga, USMC. Uploaded by Palm dogg
Suggested by
Palm_Dogg (talk) 05:24, 15 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • Strong composition. There's a lot of noise, so some manipulation is probably needed, and the resolution's on the small side. I think it might have a chance though, assuming suitable articles can be found. --Avenue (talk) 10:52, 15 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't think this image has enough EV to pass personally. JJ Harrison (talk) 20:17, 15 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • I've added it to Nawa-I-Barakzayi District#Operation Enduring Freedom. There's a whole paragraph there on this battalion's operations in that district, so I think the EV isn't bad. --Avenue (talk) 20:48, 15 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • Added two other articles. I obviously see the EV problem, and mainly included it because it's been picked up by 'outside' publications. The only picture I think we have with good EV is this one of a Marine unit moving to secure a helicopter crash site. As with the last one, would there be a more suitable place to nominate it? Palm_Dogg (talk) 00:54, 16 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Lipstick edit

 
Original - Lipstick

Just got my first DSLR! Could I get some feedback on this product-type shot? I don't have a lightbox but I did the best I could at the moment....

Articles this image appears in
Lipstick
Creator
Calliopejen1
Suggested by
Calliopejen1 (talk) 19:03, 12 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • The lighting is good. The tilt needs fixing. Something has gone wrong with the post processing though. Note the weird purple colour of the shadow and edges of the golden parts. Has this been cut out? Or perhaps too much shadow-highlights tool? JJ Harrison (talk) 06:47, 14 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think there's a tilt - I used the grid tool to align everything. I didn't exactly cut it out - used the curves tool to white out things that were light but not quite while. Maybe I didn't do it evenly for each color, which resulted in the weird shadows. Besides that, I played with the color balance only on a global basis. I'll have to play around with it to try to fix those issues... Calliopejen1 (talk) 16:03, 14 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Looks to have a half-degree or so left tilt to me too. --jjron (talk) 15:51, 10 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Flooded chamber of the apocalypse. edit

 
Original - A flooded chamber in Harishchandragad. According to local legend, if the fourth pillar collapses then the apocalypse is near

High EV for illustrating the local legend. Fairly good looking technically

Articles this image appears in
Harishchandragad
Creator
Flickrohit at Flickr
Suggested by
Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:35, 9 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • I think EV is a little weak as is - it isn't really mentioned in the article text at all. JJ Harrison (talk) 06:49, 14 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • I would support this because of the subject, but there's some wierd bluring going on on the left, and on the 1 remaining pillar. Any way you can get a better photo of the same place? Aaadddaaammm (talk) 15:20, 19 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've never set foot in India, so I'd have a hard time. After my personal life settles a bit I'll try and have a look and see if I can find a reference to add some sourced commentary for the image. Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:01, 24 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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2011 flooding in Ayutthaya, Thailand edit

 
 
Original - Satellite photographs showing flooding in Ayutthaya and Pathum Thani Provinces, Thailand, in October 2011 (right), compared to before the flooding in July (left)

I feel this pair of satellite images, when viewed in comparison, strikingly present the wide-spread effects of the 2011 Thailand floods in the area, as well as flooding in general. I'm not sure if the images should be combined, since that removes the possibility of direct comparison through tab-switching, or if the empty top-left corner should be removed. I've also seen sharper NASA satellite images, are these good enough for FP?

Articles this image appears in
2011 Thailand floods
Creator
NASA Earth Observatory image created by Jesse Allen and Robert Simmon, using EO-1 ALI data provided courtesy of the NASA EO-1 team and the United States Geological Survey.
Suggested by
Paul_012 (talk) 18:22, 1 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • I'd support these. I geocoded the images for what it is worth. Seeing some of the pictures from the ground in particular seems quite surreal compared to what I saw about nine months ago. JJ Harrison (talk) 21:58, 2 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Asian woman tan line edit

 
Original - A woman showing her strap tan line

Awesome image I stumbled across. Has high resolution and is fairly sharp. Might need to go in a couple more articles to have the good encyclopedic value we want.

Articles this image appears in
Tan line
Creator
cdedbdme]
Suggested by
Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:48, 30 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • Image isn't actually in any articles. Tan line is fairly difficult to see. Makeemlighter (talk) 20:47, 1 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • The article use issue is easy enough to solve, but I don't see much EV - per Makeem, the tan line isn't particularly outstanding, and I can't see anywhere it would have significant EV. --jjron (talk) 13:30, 2 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Hips don't lie edit

 
Original - Shakira in concert, 2011

High resolution, good pose. A little iffy on the pixelation.

Articles this image appears in
Shakira
Creator
Fajar Fieryanto
Suggested by
Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:48, 29 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • Yeah, nice at small sizes, but way too high ISO was used for anything of a reasonable resolution. This is too serious to be fixed. --jjron (talk) 13:35, 2 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Batavia massacre edit

 
Original - The execution of prisoners during the 1740 Batavia massacre

One of the few pictures available depicting the massacre; this one is of a high enough resolution and seems interesting. It may have been an engraving, but I'm not sure.

Articles this image appears in
1740 Batavia massacre
Creator
Unknown, included in the 1895 Atlas van Stolk. Katalogus der historie-, spot- en zinneprenten betrekkelijk de geschiedenis van Nederland
Suggested by
Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:30, 26 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • I think this is unlikely to pass because of the visible halftoning - not a great quality reproduction. Calliopejen1 (talk) 00:52, 13 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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View of central Jakarta edit

 
Original - The view from the viewing deck on the National Monument in Central Jakarta

The image is of extremely high resolution and has high EV. As it is a 360 view, the levels are somewhat off in some parts of the image, but I feel like it doesn't detract from the image. (Any copyrighted images shown in this work would be de minimis)

Articles this image appears in
National Monument (Indonesia), Central Jakarta, Jakarta
Creator
AzaToth using images taken by Crisco 1492
Suggested by
Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:00, 25 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • The stitch still needs work. Quite a few of the buildings in some shots are crooked, and need vertical control points to correct that. Secondly, the exposure varies from frame to frame - this can be corrected but it is a bit time consuming. Set your camera to manual if you can in future for panoramas. This is most visible in the sky. I can't see any significant stitching errors, and the image quality is good enough given the high overall resolution in my view. JJ Harrison (talk) 08:52, 25 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Personally I hate 360° panos, but that's a personal opinion. Just for interest's sake, you haven't tried it as say 2 x ≈180° panos instead have you? --jjron (talk) 13:33, 2 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Two better images versus one not so good image. Remove some of the exposure variation. Less issues with crooked buildings and odd projections. Take out the awkwardness created by a 360° pano... --jjron (talk) 16:04, 10 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]


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Putin edit

 
Original - Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin

High EV, high resolution. Pose looks nice (IMHO). I'm a little concerned about the pixelation in the flag, so I've brought it here first for some feedback.

Articles this image appears in
Vladimir Putin and 8 more
Creator
Presidential Press and Information Office
Suggested by
Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:29, 15 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • As you suggest JPEG artifacting (rather than pixelation) is an issue, though to be fair it seems to have affected the background more than the subject (still an issue for FPC). Personally I find the pose surly and unengaging, but maybe that is reflective of the man... --jjron (talk) 10:05, 6 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Possibly the man, don't think I've seen him smile before (and for some reason there are pictures of him doing everything from Karate to hunting) Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:35, 7 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
He's quite the man of action; it's a noted part of his public-persona. Perhaps an action shot is actually more representative of him? FWIW he's smiling here, and seems to smiling (to a more restrained extent) in several other images in the article. --jjron (talk) 16:09, 10 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Statue of Saint Paul edit

 
Original - Statue of Saint Paul in Damascus, Syria

Attractive statue with good lighting. My last several nominations have bombed spectacularly, so I'd appreciate feedback here before wasting everyone's time.

Articles this image appears in
Chapel of Saint Paul, Saint Paul
Creator
Bernard Gagnon
Suggested by
Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:22, 15 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • The first observation, without even going beyond thumb, is that the background is very busy and distracting. Statues tend to get a pretty hard time at FPC, so that alone would probably be enough to sink it. --jjron (talk) 13:37, 2 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • So looking at it fullsize, I get the impression that the focus is actually out - it's hard to be totally sure given the nature of the detail and image size, but I think the focus is on that rock wall behind (or perhaps that thin tree) rather than the actual statue. --jjron (talk) 13:40, 2 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Alright, thanks. Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:35, 7 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Bobby Charlton edit

 
Original - Sir Bobby Charlton at the British Council for School Environments (BCSE) on 9 November 2010

A high resolution, very good quality, EV, freely licensed photograph of Bobby Charlton, one of England and Manchester United greatest football player. I wish to see if this image could realy become featured picture.

Articles this image appears in
Bobby Charlton
Creator
The Centre for School Design
Suggested by
HonorTheKing; 01:40, 10 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • 1024 is barely over the 1000-pixel requirement. While it technically meets the requirement, it's really too small considering the space at the top of the photo and how much of his body is shown. The lighting isn't ideal either: 1/3 of his face is in shadow. Makeemlighter (talk) 00:05, 13 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Background is also fairly distracting. Could really do with a better crop. JFitch (talk) 18:28, 13 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Hendon Display Team, 1931 edit

 
Original - No. 23 Squadron's aerobatic team for the 1931 Hendon display

Historically significant, showing Douglas Bader during his flying career before the Second World War.

Articles this image appears in
Douglas Bader
Creator
Uploaded by Dapi89
Suggested by
Harrison49 (talk) 19:36, 9 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • Too small for FPC. Exceptions can be made, but you'd have to show that this image is unique, that it's irreplaceable, and that the EV is particularly high. At least as far as EV is concerned, I'm not sure that's true. Makeemlighter (talk) 00:07, 13 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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EPP Congress Warsaw edit

 
Original - a suitable caption for the image

A picture of important European leaders; wondeful color

Articles this image appears in
European People's Party
Creator
[1]
Suggested by
– Lionel (talk) 10:23, 4 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • The image has good EV as far as I can tell, but composition isn't really up to scratch. It looks clumsy with all the feet cut-off and too much headroom. Also, to me at a quick look, seems to be a bit overexposed. I personally don't think it would have much chance at FPC. Sorry. --jjron (talk) 13:54, 9 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Thermite edit

 
Original - An aluminothermic reaction with Iron(III) oxide; as known as a thermite reaction. The mixture was ignited in a glass jar using a length of Magnesium ribbon. The sparks flying outwards are globules of molten iron, trailing smoke in their wake.

I think it's a pretty nice shot and useful in many articles. I think it also meets all FPC criteria, would like a confirmation really before nominating!

Articles this image appears in
Thermite, Exothermic reaction, Aluminothermic reaction, Chemical reaction, Exothermic
Creator
Nikthestoned
Suggested by
Nikthestoned 07:32, 18 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • Having had a play with this stuff, I'd support this photo. JJ Harrison (talk) 06:44, 20 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • Thanks JJ; that's a good enough review for me, given the amount of work you put into this area! Shall stick of FP and see how she goes...(I actually only found PPR due to your talk page message...) Nikthestoned 08:10, 20 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Pictures that need placing on an appropriate article edit

Fetishism-related edit

 
Not sure where this should go
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