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August 9

referencing - will not edit in visual editor

Hi I had to redo all all my referencing as it put them all out of numerical order. Now when i go to enter them it will give the reference a number [5] instead of a number [13] I've put so much work into my article an no one is helping. I've tried editing it that many times and it keeps doing it. Now I Just want to delete my Wikipedia article and put it somewhere else. I'm very cluey when it comes to things like this but from what i can see and you also can't find a draft page. You reach out for help here and there is nothing. I would like my article I wrote deleted now but i can't even do that! And there is no help page and it seems my information is now permanently stuck here for all eternity until the inevitable marked for deletion comes up, with people voting from what I have read. Or unless you request someone else's article gets deleted! What a strange platform that we cannot delete our own work after finding out how complicated wikipedia actually is. I wanted drafts but can't even do that it goes straight to publish under the sandbox and there is no draft available to do this. Most of us aren't versed in code for the other editor. And the visual editor even Wikipedia admit its got bugs and not reliable, so what is the point if there are no other options. You click on help, type in what you need help with and it takes you to some huge technical page. With no explanation. This had been made way too complicated to navigate and its like going down the proverbial rabbit hole which leads to a whole other set of problems. It's like a black hole you fall into and can't get out of . How sad and disappointing to learn this. I dont want to have to have a university degree to be able to master this but it seems at this rate it's required. Nanette unsolved (talk) 08:00, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

You are attempting the most difficult task there is on Wikipedia! I have made some edits to your draft to help you on your way. Theroadislong (talk) 08:15, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

Thankyou so much I so appreciate it. As you can see there are so many edits from me due to this. I've looked up tutorials as well. Seems there was a glitch or something but good to know @Theroadislong Nanette unsolved (talk) 09:59, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

@Nanette unsolved, if I'm understanding you correctly, you're frustrated by the fact you use ref#15 for someething, and it's suddenly now ref#3 or something? You need to ignore the # of the references; they are numbered by the order in which they appear in the article, so that can change every time you insert a reference. I've renamed them for you; instead of using the number, use the name. Valereee (talk) 12:22, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

oh wow thankyou @Valereee I was about to add some external links So I hope i do this right. Yes that's what was happening. It's also saying my page doesn't exist. I think this is because my article isn't approved yet, would that be correct? ~~~~ Nanette unsolved (talk) 12:32, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

@Nanette unsolved, it's in your sandbox, which means that it hasn't been submitted yet for approval. When you feel it is ready for submission, you can move it to Draft:Murder of Nanette Mae Ellis and submit it for approval. You won't be able to do this for another three days (your account must be at least 4 days old to make a move) so use that time to make sure you've used WP:RELIABLE sources. For instance, Wikipedia does not consider Wikipedia to be a reliable source, so you need to go find the information from Boronia, Victoria that you're using, figure out what sources that article is using, and cite to that source rather than to the Wikipedia article about that subject. Sorry if that's clear as mud! :) Valereee (talk) 12:53, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

I understand thankyou for clearing that up @Valereee Nanette unsolved (talk) 13:03, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

error message problem

I updated the Sexual Compulsives Anonymous literature list on the Wikipedia page. Somehow, the word "ISBN" is listed twice next to the top entry, I dont know how to change it

Gordonbsca (talk) 12:33, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

When filling in the "ISBN" field, you just need to type in the numbers. I've removed the extra "ISBN" for you. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 12:41, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

thank you for your help ! Gordonbsca (talk) 12:48, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

Use this without an account

may I use this without an account? 2601:441:4081:4CB0:3751:83F3:9F94:D78B (talk) 15:21, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

Im not sure what you are referring to by "account" 2603:7000:3801:2986:6440:FD06:762C:388E (talk) 15:40, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

I guess it refers to a Wikipedia user account, but what do you mean by "use this"? Most things don't require an account. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:44, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

See Why create an account? Although you don't have to create an account to do basic editing of non-protected articles, you can do a much wider range of things with an account.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 15:48, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

Do Not Archive Until Tag

If I remove "<!-- [[User:DoNotArchiveUntil]] 01:13, 16 July 2124 (UTC) -->{{User:ClueBot III/DoNotArchiveUntil|4876766028}}" from my own talk page, will this allow the section in question to be removed automatically by the archive bot? --Jax 0677 (talk) 15:31, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

@Jax 0677: Yes, assuming nothing else prevents archiving. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:41, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

How should one translate 10 Lives to 10 Lives (album) to preserve the album article history?

To avoid a cut & paste move, how should one translate 10 Lives to 10 Lives (album) to preserve the album article history while keeping the disambiguation page at 10 Lives (at least for now)? --Jax 0677 (talk) 15:43, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

@Jax 0677: Do you mean you want to start an article at 10 Lives (album) with content from the page history of 10 Lives? Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/10 Lives decided to not have an article about the album. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:51, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

I have no intention of restarting an article about 10 Lives, only preserving the article history somewhere in a manner similar to how it is preserved now. --Jax 0677 (talk) 15:56, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

@Jax 0677: An administrator could make a history split but it would be odd when the content has never been at 10 Lives (album) and isn't anywhere live. If your concern is somebody looking at the page history there and not realizing but possibly wanting to know there is an album page history at 10 Lives then you could make a dummy edit to the redirect with an edit summary like "The page history of 10 Lives has an article about the album but Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/10 Lives decided to not keep the article". PrimeHunter (talk) 16:11, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

The problem, is that there is a move discussion to translate 10 Lives (film) to 10 Lives. --Jax 0677 (talk) 19:20, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

OK, didn't know that. A preserved page history may not be needed when it was decided to redirect but I have made a history split from 10 Lives to 10 Lives (album). PrimeHunter (talk) 22:59, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. --Jax 0677 (talk) 23:44, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

Will I get in trouble?

Will I get in trouble if I move a draft to the main space article? I haven't really been involved in moving a draft, as I know we have articles for review. Thank you! 45BearsFan (talk) 16:51, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

@45BearsFan: The WP:AFC process is optional. If you have a draft that is ready for mainspace, you may move it there. See WP:DRAFTMOVE RudolfRed (talk) 17:54, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

@45BearsFan (Assuming this is about Draft:Haas Factory Team) The new pages patrol look at pages moved into mainspace without going through WP:AfC. They may treat them a bit more harshly than a reviewer would. For that specific draft, I note that parts towards the end have no cited sources and the whole thing is a bit WP:CRYSTALBALL, since it refers to something that may or may not happen in 2025. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:19, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

I should've worded it better but it was about the 2025 NASCAR Cup Series article. 45BearsFan (talk) 14:45, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

If you have some practice reviewing drafts, and you think yours is OK, go ahead and move it. Otherwise submit it for review. I'm pretty experienced (I've created several articles and I'm an administrator) but occasionally I still submit something for review to get another set of eyes on it for improvement. I know it can take months but there is no deadline. You've received some criticism by Mike Turnbull, above. I suggest you heed it before you move the article. ~Anachronist (talk) 14:41, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

I want to add that there is a roblox game made after brookhaven georgia and is very popular millions of players but it got reverted

can anyone do a more constructive version of mine so it can get added. thank you or give me tips on how to get it constroctive. 2A02:1210:8601:5C00:D1DC:6443:BACE:EFD1 (talk) 18:10, 9 August 2024 (UTC) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brookhaven,_Georgia

please help me 2A02:1210:8601:5C00:D1DC:6443:BACE:EFD1 (talk) 18:14, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

Answered at The Teahouse. Please don't ask the same question in more than one place. RudolfRed (talk) 18:15, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

Train Stops

Hi all, I am currently running a project dedicated to an extension of a train service in my area. It involves the regular train service, as well as Amtrak. I wanted to know how to style the page, for the header, do I use the Amtrak header or do I use the train service's header? Thanks in advance. Cloudsarepretty (talk) 19:39, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

But does this involve an article here on Wikipedia? If it doesn't, we can't help on this.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 19:43, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi, sorry for the lack of clarification. Yes, It involves about 7 pages. The entire project involves more but the specific problem I'm having only involves the small number. Cloudsarepretty (talk) 19:46, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

@Cloudsarepretty: You will get better, subject-specific, advice at WT:WikiProject Trains. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:56, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

OS Grid references

Hi Folks!! Is there anyway to use a grid reference outside an infobox, for example could I somehow it in a cell table via a template and enable it to open OpenStreetMap, for example. scope_creep^Talk 19:54, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

I believe that you can use Template:Coord anywhere. ColinFine (talk) 20:37, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

If by OS you mean Ordnance Survey, then perhaps {{OS coord}} will do what you want.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 21:29, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

@Scope creep: When I've had occasion to add OS grid coordinates in an article, I've always used one of the {{Gbmapping}} templates. That provides a link to a GeoHack page from which one can choose to open OpenStreetMap, Google Maps, an OS map, etc. {{Gbmappingsmall}} might be most appropriate for use in a table cell. Deor (talk) 14:25, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

@Trappist the monk:, @Deor: Both of them seem to be ideal. I'll test them to see how they behave. Thanks folks!! scope_creep^Talk 17:55, 10 August 2024 (UTC)