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December 11

doing a WP:SPLIT, but was moved to a draft

I edited on here and when info is moved, this is a WP:SPLIT. But the info was moved to a draft instead? (If I sound too confused. I attend to forget quickly about rules/ guidelines and just ask.) Tainted-wingsz (talk) 00:44, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Tainted-wingsz. It seems that Kbeast33 wanted to do a spin-out (a split in which a more specialized sub-article is created) but wanted to refine the new page in draft space first, and so created Draft:List of Ascendance of a Bookworm Episodes. There is nothing wrong with this, but it would have been better practice to describe the intention at Talk:Ascendance of a Bookworm. In any case, Wikipedia's license requires that attribution be maintaiend, which has not yet been done in this case. See Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia for the policies and practices on this.

You are free to edit the draft, or to propose undoing the spin-out on the article talk page, if you think that would be better. But the draft list of Episodes does seem to have enough content to overwhelm the parent article -- indeed perhaps a bit much as per WP:PLOT. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 01:48, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

I have added the needed attributions. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 02:04, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

I wasn't oppose to that. (In replying to the sentence with "spin-out".) But this was my first time seeing info being split (moved) to a draft and not to a new page. (So this is a little new to me. Then I thought there was another set of rules/ guidelines to that?) Then for the word "Episodes" in the draft's title, the "E" is not capitalized as the category from; Category:Lists of anime episodes doesn't display this. After the draft is accepted, etc. Tainted-wingsz (talk) 02:08, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

This is not the most common procedure, Tainted-wingsz, usually a split does not involve a draft, and i am not really sure why a draft was used this time. But there is no policy that says not to do it that way. Any errors in the new draft you may correct with normal editing, and you may make any improvement that you think fit, just as you would in an article. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 02:19, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Ah, o.k. then. Tainted-wingsz (talk) 15:20, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Also there was a page just made too. Based from the draft. Tainted-wingsz (talk) 15:14, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Adding an External Link

Asked and answered at the Teahouse
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
How do I add an external link to the Cold War article. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kcpriest (talk • contribs) 02:01, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Extract report of List of communities

How do i extract the Listing of communities in W3 and Cloud ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.41.84.80 (talk) 06:58, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but your question is unclear. Are you asking about how to use or edit an English Wikipedia article? If so, which one (please provide the exact title by copying and pasting it from the page you are inquiring about). —[AlanM1(talk)]— 09:55, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Refercing newspapers that are behind a log in

So I have been working on the 1975 Cricket World Cup in expanding the prose of the article to the point where it might good enough for a better rating. Anyway I was wondering how I would reference the archived newspaper articles as I got those sources from Gale Primary Sources which is good until I realised that you need to log in to access the resources. So I am wondering how I would reference those sources as I can't just use an url link to have the page be checked over. HawkAussie (talk) 08:32, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Hello, HawkAussie. Use the URL normally, but when using a citation template (such as {{Cite web}}) add "url-access=subscription". This will change he way the citation is displayed to warn readers that a subscription is needed to see the source. That is perfectly OK, and someone on Wikipedia will surley have a subscription. See WP:RX. Do be sure to include title, name of paper, publication date, and if possible page nd column for the print edition. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 09:57, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

@DESiegel: Ok, thanks for that suggestion as I have been using those inclusions for better reference in the article. It's just going to be difficult with an Tasmanian link right at the start of the url, ahhhhhh. HawkAussie (talk) 10:23, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

HawkAussie, just skip the url. It may be helpful if you quote the relevant bit in the cite. A little more at WP:PAYWALL. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:59, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång: The problem is trying to WP:SUMMARY the group stage of the 1975 edition and the only references that I do have is from match reports from that era in the newspapers and the book that I have in my area. So quoting that relevant bit would be difficult "per say" HawkAussie (talk) 10:23, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

move page

There's no "more" drop down button next to "view history button on the top of the page, with the option "move" so I can upload a Draft to main space wikipedia — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lenard Bas (talk • contribs) 08:51, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Lenard Bas You are not yet autoconfirmed(account is four days old and has 10 edits) as you only have nine edits and your account is only two days old. New users cannot directly create articles. You can submit your draft using Articles for Creation. However, if you were to submit it now, it would probably be rejected, as you have few independent reliable sources to support its content and indicate how the person meets the Wikipedia definition of a notable musician. Please read Your First Article. 331dot (talk) 08:58, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

If you were to move your draft into the main space without a review, it would likely be deleted quickly. 331dot (talk) 08:59, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Delete a Page

Kindly advise on how to permanently delete a wikipedia page of a person who is no longer in existence with the said name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by OneStoneDigital (talk • contribs) 10:28, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

​Courtesy link: Adhiti Menon. If she has switched to a new stage name, you can go to WP:Requested moves and make a point that it should be moved to a new title (but it needs to show that sources such as newspaper use her new name). – Thjarkur (talk) 10:39, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

School article edit

Hi can you tell me if I am allowed to change my school page as it needs updating? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Teddyskitty (talk • contribs) 11:50, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Teddyskitty If you are only a student and want to edit the article(not just "page") about your school, you may as long as you have a proper reliable source for the information. 331dot (talk) 12:38, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

I have changed my mind - I do not want any apps

I have changed my mind about being a member or signing into Wikipedia. I do not want any apps to be able to get into my device for any reason. I just halted Google from same. all apps.with Google are stopped. I ask you to please do the same here with Wikepedia. No apps to get into my system ever. Thank you so much. I will definitely continue to support Wike w/ donating. TerryandKelley

uT — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:14F:8006:48A0:C6:45A5:8213:A2C8 (talk) 12:49, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Hi! I have shortened this section's title. I hope you understand there is a difference between a title and contents. --CiaPan (talk) 12:53, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Hello. We here have no control over what apps you run on your device or what permissions you give them. Personally i would only edit Wikipedia from a full computer, where this issue should not exist. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 12:57, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Copyright issue

I uploaded an image on Wikimedia several days ago with as much info as I possibly could have provided. Now, I received a message stating the file will be deleted within seven days if the evidence of permission is not provided. The website I picked the photo from has no copyright tag. Please help me fix this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.172.20.154 (talk) 12:59, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

If the source site has no copyright tag you should assume all the work is copyrighted. It's pretty clear every work has some author – and if the author didn't explicitly release the work to public domain or other type of free use, the work must be assumed protected. --CiaPan (talk) 13:13, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

To spell it out a bit more, you may only upload a file if you created it (or otherwise own it) and so can give permission, or if the person who did create it or owns it has explicitly given permission. If you find a file on a site where it has no copyright tag, then no one has given permission and Wikipedia cannot use it. We can only use files that are freely licensed, or are in the public domain, or in a few very limited cases will pass as fair use. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 13:24, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

A common misconception is that a copyrighted work will have a copyright notice. This is incorrect. According to copyright law, everything is copyrighted by default. Unless there is a notice that a work has been released into the public domain or released under some copyright license, it's copyrighted and all rights belong to its creator. -Arch dude (talk) 17:45, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Photo of USS Devilfish

A photo shown on List of shipwrecks 1968, August, USS Devilfish, appears to be a periscope photo taken by a submarine showing a torpedo explosion. I question the source of the photo and verification of the description, as it may not be USS Devilfish? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Seepy6210 (talk • contribs) 13:49, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Seepy6210, the image was uploaded from http://www.navsource.org/archives/08/08292.htm. If you doubt the information on the image, you should ask at the article's talk page, or at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history. People there will be much better placed to check if the information is correct. ~~ OxonAlex - talk 15:09, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Mark ISP as School

How can I have an ISP marked as a school? (Have logged in to track this from personal account) Lizzie Harrison 15:20, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Lizzie Harrison, are you meaning the shared ip edu template that is placed on talk pages - the parameters are listed on its page. See User talk:161.73.255.89 for an example of it's use. ~~ OxonAlex - talk 15:27, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Adding an External Link

How do I add an external link to the Cold War page?

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kcpriest (talk • contribs) 17:57, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Kcpriest, Firstly, you would be advised to read the policy first - Wikipedia:External links, and especially WP:LINKSTOAVOID. Also note Wikipedia uses nofollow tags, so links with have no effect on SEO.

If you still think a link is warranted, see the how to link section of the above page Wikipedia:External links#How to link ~~ OxonAlex - talk 18:16, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

However, the cold war page is semi protected, so you need to have made 10 edits to be able to edit it, and you're currently on nine. So please use the Template:Edit semi-protected template on Talk:Cold War.

Just place {{Edit semi-protected}} in a new section of the talk page, then state the link you wish to add. ~~ OxonAlex - talk 18:19, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Thank you. It looks like it is too complicated for me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kcpriest (talk • contribs) 20:24, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

What, generally, should be done when the majority of a non-list article is lists?

For example, in Medica Superspecialty Hospital, Kolkata, the majority of content is lists. Beyond fixing up what appears to be promotional material, what exactly determines whether any one list should be in an article or not? Looking for policies and guidelines on this. --MoonyTheDwarf (Braden N.) (talk) 18:24, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

For that article, if it were me, I'd delete the section on Location, as it's just the address and directions. As for the list of institutes and the list of departments, I would ask myself and the sources what is important about this hospital, are any of the institutes or departments important? Have they won awards? Is the hospital particularly known for it's excellence in Dentistry? Is it the first hospital in its area to have a Department of Oncology? Is it known for ground-breaking research in Haematology? You get the picture. Rephrase the entire article as encyclopedic prose based on reliable sources.  I would say right now the article's main problem is that it is not based on reliable sources - the only sources cited are the hosptial's own website. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 19:17, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Honestly, I've gone and trimmed all those lists. Again, information should be presented as well-sourced prose. And you asked for policies and guidelines, which are at Manual of Style/Lists~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 19:25, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

The article, as trimmed, is pretty much a directory listing. I should say the way to take this is to WP:AFD per WP:NOTDIRECTORY.

i'm sure it is a very good hospital and does good work: so do many others. WP:SNOWFLAKE may help you. What is special about this hospital other than the many many other hospitals in India and Worldwide: It is just another WP:MILL hospital. Those are the arguments for the prosecution. God bless the people who need treatment and those who give it to them, but it fails WP:GNG. 85.238.91.41 (talk) 01:45, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

Gongqingcheng

how do I find the original articles for Gongqingcheng....I think it started as Gongqing — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.147.202.112 (talk) 18:44, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

This seems to be the article, 198.147.202.112: Gongqingcheng. If you want to look at an earlier version of the article, click on the History tab at the top of the page. All earlier versions of the article are listed on the History page, in reverse chronological order. Apparently, the original version of the article was titled "Gongqingcheng"--Quisqualis (talk) 19:23, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Please delete TEMP2, TEMP.Yavneh and TEMP.BL1 sectional headers in Telshe yeshiva

Please delete the following three sectional headers in Telshe yeshiva

• ==TEMP2==
• ==TEMP.Yavneh==
• ==TEMP.BL1==

(they're the result of my "workaround" for the 'Wikimedia Foundation Error' that I've reported)

The latest

• "If you report this error to the Wikimedia System Administrators, please include the details below" is
  • Request via cp1077 frontend, Varnish XID 735002416
  • Error: 503, Backend fetch failed at Wed, 11 Dec 2019 19:34:04 GMT

Pi314m (talk) 20:21, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Done, although I'm curious as to how adding the headers would have solved a backend problem. – Thjarkur (talk) 20:25, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Pure guess as unquoted literal in SQL statement, then taking "==" or "===" as part of the relational query and not the subject of the query. I have not done SQL for years since I use proper databases, so am probably wrong, and it is probably client side on the user's SQL and not in the WMF API. Were it not, it would happen on EVERY section title in EVERY page (including this one). 85.238.91.41 (talk) 01:51, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

Gallery needs tweaking

Resolved

I've added an image to the gallery at Blueskin (horse). The image is in landscape aspect, with the others being portrait. After several feeble attempts, the result is not very satisfactory. It would be appreciated if somebody would make it better. Thanks in advance. Eric, aka:107.15.157.44 (talk) 21:24, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

I changed it to use <gallery> instead of {{Gallery}}. If you don't like it, just revert. MB 21:32, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Thanks -- much better! 107.15.157.44 (talk) 21:43, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Plotting -tool needed!

Reading Edward Robinson 1841 works (about his travels in Palestine), we see that he has often pinpointed all the locations he has seen from a place, using info like this: "er-Ram N. 38° E. Neby Samwil N. 18° E." etc (see p. 327)(see Talk:Arabbuna about how to interpret the numbers)..Those numbers can be really useful, as they identify the names of the villages.

Now, what I would love to have, is a tool whereby I could plot in the degrees, and "superimpose" that on maps. Eg, here are two versions of (roughly) what I would like to plot:

_|_

_ \|/_

...the first version is when we have a village straight W, straight N, and straight E. The second version is when we also have villages NE, and NW (I couldn't manage to draw the S, SW and SE lines) (Also: possibly we could have a village in any degree in-between)

Does anyone of you know of such a tool? (I could of course plot it by hand, but that seems terribly cumbersome in 2019)? Huldra (talk) 22:27, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

I think Google Earth ([1]) will do what you need, in addition to having the underlying map and imagery already. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 01:16, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

User:AlanM1, thanks, that looks like quite a lot to look into (which I will.. ;) ) Huldra (talk) 21:08, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Not so much, really. You have your choice of browser-based, mobile, or desktop apps (which I'd recommend)[2]. Using it is pretty straightforward. Once you go to the place he was viewing from, use the ruler button on the button-bar to draw a line at the right heading. I guess you have to estimate the distance he could see? You can drop new placemarks with the yellow pushpin button and drag them where you need them with the mouse. Don't forget to save your work occasionally (File->Save->Save my places). I'm sure there are videos and other tutorials available if you need them. Be careful not to stray into WP:OR territory, as far as what you include in articles. Happy mapping! —[AlanM1(talk)]— 21:52, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

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PLEASE DON'T SHOUT. Also, please don't put your (or his) personal information here; you never know what someone might do with it. That said, do you have a question about using or contributing to Wikipedia? —Tamfang (talk) 23:38, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

To be clear, I think you have mistaken Wikipedia for a social media platform, which it is not (see WP:NOTSOCIAL). —[AlanM1(talk)]— 01:20, 13 December 2019 (UTC)