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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted 14:39, 10 March 2008.

List of tallest buildings in Portland, Oregon

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I am nominating this list as it is clear and concise with full references. Similar to the featured list of tallest buildings and structures in London, the article brings useful information with links to the notable buildings and statistics for the ones not notable enough for an article. The article, with no frequent changes in content and style, gives a complete list of the tallest buildins in Portland. The organization is defined and allows quick lookup of the buildings. The pictures successfully describe and represent notable buildings from the area. Finally, the references show credibility to the content of the article and the quality of the article. Huang7776 (talk) 08:16, 22 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Moved / fixed wrong nomination. Cheers. Trance addict 08:17, 22 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment In the lead paragraph, wouldn't it make sense to link to the "List of tallest buildings of insert city here" articles rather than the "insert city here" articles when stating that Portland's skyline ranks 25th in the country? After all, it's being compared to other skylines, not other cities. MeegsC | Talk 11:09, 22 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • I agree.  Done I made that change so I could support the article for FL status. --Orlady (talk) 01:57, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved stuff from The Rambling Man (talk) 18:28, 24 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comments a great start but some issues to be resolved before I can support...
    • " 41-story" - shouldn't this be "storey"? Could be okay for US English, not sure...
      "Story" is appropriate for U.S. English, which is used here due to Portland being a U.S. city. See Storey#Notes. Cheers, Rai-me 14:30, 22 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Use {{convert}} template or, at the very least, ensure non-breaking spaces are placed between values and their units.
      • I am confused - where do you see this? There are non-breaking spaces for units in all context areas, and values are not represented next to units in the tables. Rai-me 14:30, 22 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        • I'm confused too - I saw spaces earlier, perhaps they're fixed. Either way, happy days! The Rambling Man (talk) 14:34, 22 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
          • Ah - I recently fixed them, so I must have changed it while/after you were reviewing the list. Rai-me 15:00, 22 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • "Another notable skyscraper in ..." doesn't sound quite right for the lead.
       Done
    • "Since then, over 100 highrise buildings have been constructed in the city gradually." reads curiously - were the buildings built gradually or was the overall construction of the highrise buildings spread out over the past 100 years.
      I removed "gradually" - it has been very spread out, but like most cities, concentrated in the decades after 1960. Rai-me 15:00, 22 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • "Portland's history of skyscrapers is generally thought to begin in 1907 with the completion of the Wells Fargo Building.[5][6] Since then, over 100 highrise buildings have been constructed in the city gradually.[7] However, many of Portland's tallest highrises were constructed in a period from the 1970s to 2000.[8] The city is home to three buildings over 500 feet (152 m)." - just think this a little too choppy, I'd look to merge some sentences to improve the prose per Wikipedia's finest work.
       Done - It would be great if you could look at it again; I merged the last two sentences. Rai-me 15:00, 22 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Not keen on the list of 24 other states! Just saying 25th would suffice! Perhaps an article on the U.S. states highrises listing each state vs number of highrise buildings could be written (if it doesn't already exist) and then just linked to from here.
      This is fairly standard for all building lists - see the List of tallest buildings in Tulsa FL. I have been working on a skyline rankings list, User:Raime/Skyline rankings, but it simply seemed easier to add the city names into each list. Rai-me 15:00, 22 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      Fairly standard, perhaps, but that list is unwieldy, nasty to look at, unpleasant to read and really adds nothing to the article! The Rambling Man (talk) 15:09, 22 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
       Done - list removed. Rai-me 15:23, 22 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • " where a few residential towers and an office building have been built in the past few years, such as the John Ross Tower." - "a few...", "..few years" , "A few more residential..." - a little wordy and familiar sounding, not encyclopaedic.
       Done
    • "33 story " - perhaps "33-storey"?
      Again, U.S. English is used for a U.S. building list. Rai-me 15:00, 22 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      Okay, but you got the hyphen, right?
      Oops, thank you!  Done -- Rai-me 15:23, 22 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Floors column could be centrally aligned.
      Shouldn't all columns be centrally aligned, then (with perhaps the exception of "Notes")? It would seem strange to have 5 left-aligned columns and 1 centrally-aligned column. Rai-me 15:00, 22 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      Yeah, the floors column is most obvious though since the heading is much wider than the content - but I'm happy to go for more central alignment! The Rambling Man (talk) 15:09, 22 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
       Done - Okay, the floors column is now centrally aligned. Do you think any of the other columns need that as well? -- Rai-me 15:40, 22 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • "Existing structures are included for ranking purposes based on present height." - what does this mean and how do I distinguish them from the other elements in the table?
      It means that only existing structures are included at their present heights - no future buildings are included, and no planned height increases for existing buildings are included. Do you think that this needs to be reworded? Rai-me 15:00, 22 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      Yeah, I think it needs to simply say that future buildings and no planned height increases are included. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:09, 22 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
       Done - it now reads: Only completed structures are ranked; no future buildings or planned height increases are included in the list. -- Rai-me 15:26, 22 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • "world at its time of completion." - "at the time of its completion." would read better (to me, at least!).
       Done - agreed. Rai-me 15:00, 22 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • "The rank that each building would hold if it were completed is listed." - is it?
       Done - removed. Rai-me 15:00, 22 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • For image captions that aren't sentence fragments, complete with a full stop.
      Only one (the proposed building image) is not a sentence fragment, and it does have a full stop. Rai-me 15:00, 22 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      Perhaps you fixed it too, I'll check that in a moment! The Rambling Man (talk) 15:09, 22 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • A lot of the references are timing out, check this link out to check that all links are still valid.
       Done - I've replaced all of the references that were timing out, and the links now all seem valid. Rai-me 15:19, 22 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hope these comments are of use. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:27, 22 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Thank you very much for your very detailed review! -- Rai-me 15:00, 22 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • You're welcome. I'm really trying to bring a set of fresh eyes to a subject which, while I'm interested in it, have no experience of the articles previously up here (except for the Manchester one which I think may still be here). I'm just trying to make sure we're going to promote the encyclopaedia's best work! The Rambling Man (talk) 15:09, 22 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        • I think you've covered everything I noted above. I made a couple of tiny tweaks (removing over capitalisation, pluralising reference) but I really would push you to finish and mainspace that article - the in-line linking in note A, while it may have got through on the Tulsa FLC, is pretty grim. One list which all these articles could reference would be top drawer. I'll consider what I make of the article shortly (best to go away for a bit and come back I think!) and let you know. Well done for attending to my comments so quickly and thoroughly. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:00, 22 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - there's now a missing image of the Park Avenue West Tower... The Rambling Man (talk) 07:48, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    •  Done - Removed it. Cheers. Trance addict - Tiesto - Above and Beyond 08:35, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment - Forcing the 200px specification for table-side images may make the thumbnail images "too large" for many users. (It may force the table to be exceptionally narrow.) I suggest removing that dimensional specification, and replacing it with "upright", as in the following example: [[Image:PortlandWellsFargoCenter.jpg|thumb|upright|[[Wells Fargo Center (Portland, Oregon)|Wells Fargo Center]], the tallest building in Portland and Oregon]]. (But see what those settings do; you may not like the result.) --Orlady (talk) 22:34, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      Also  Done -- Rai-me 23:01, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Support. Nicely sourced list. --Orlady (talk) 01:57, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • With all issues fixed, I think I can support now. Cheers. Trance addict - Tiesto - Above and Beyond 19:33, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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