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The list was withdrawn by The Rambling Man via FACBot (talk) 00:25, 24 September 2018 (UTC) [1].[reply]

List of songs recorded by No Doubt

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Nominator(s): Carbrera (talk) 22:37, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating 'List of songs recorded by No Doubt' for featured list status because the list is complete, thoroughly sourced, and well written. Thanks in advanced to anyone who takes the time to review this nomination. Grazie! Carbrera (talk) 22:37, 1 July 2018 (UTC).[reply]

Comments from Aoba47

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  • I would revise the ALT text for the image to be a little more specific about what the picture is showing. Also, the text is not entirely accurate as No Doubt is not performing in the photo.
Done
  • For the lead’s first paragraph, I would link “compilations” to the article for compilation abum to specify what you mean by this.
Done
  • I would split this sentence (In response to the commercial disappointment of their debut and being dropped from Interscope Records, the group produced The Beacon Street Collection (1995) by themselves and took influence from punk music, which differentiated the record from the "synth and new wave influences" of No Doubt.) into two as it contains a lot of information and is rather long.
Done
  • I am a question about this sentence (Four singles were released, including "New", "Ex-Girlfriend", "Simple Kind of Life", and "Bathwater".). You say that four albums were released from the album and then proceed to list all of them. I am not sure the word “including” is correct in this context, as it implies (at least to me) that there are other singles and the following list is a just a few of them.
Done
  • For this sentence (the songs featured on Return of Saturn are complex), what do you mean by “complex”?
  • For this part (originally sung by Talk Talk), I would use “recorded” instead of “sung”.
Done
  • Do you think that you should include a sentence about Dreamcar at the end of the lead’s last paragraph?
  • Do you think that you should specify that No Doubt went on a hiatus primarily due to Stefani focusing on her solo career?
  • I would revise this image caption (Joe Escalante wrote the Christmas song "Oi to the World", which No Doubt recorded a cover of.) to (No Doubt recorded a cover of the Christmas song “Oi to the World”, which was written by Joe Escalante.”). I am not a fan of the last portion of the original caption (i.e. how it ends on “of”.).
Done
  • Could you elaborate on this sentence (The group also has writing credits on several other albums.)? Do you mean that they wrote songs that were later recorded and performed by other singers? I am a little confused by this part (apologies if this is really obvious). Aoba47 (talk) 19:08, 5 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Great work with this list. I will support this for promotion once my comments are addressed. Aoba47 (talk) 19:05, 5 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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  • My only major problem with this article is the sourcing. I know that I made this same argument when you nominated List of songs recorded by Oh Land, but, outside of the liner notes, there are only five references, and three are to the same publisher. Three publishers (Allmusic; Billboard; BMG) is fewer than I would expect to see in a featured list. Are there any other sources that you could mine for information? For example, The LA Times discusses how No Doubt's songs revolve around love and heartbreak, and how Gwen Stefani's lyrics channel a female perspective. musicOMH describes the band's songs as "playful". MTV explains how a lot of No Doubt's songs are about Gwen Stefani's on-off relationship with Tony Kanal. There are almost certainly other sources that you may consider more appropriate.
  • I agree that this is important. Aoba47 (talk) 20:12, 8 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Caption in the lead image isn't a complete sentence, so doesn't need a terminating period.
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  • "has recorded material for". Not exactly a dealbreaker for me, but by my count there are 112 songs listed in this article, so we could probably afford to be slightly more precise than just "material" in the opening sentence, e.g. "has recorded over 100 songs for"
Done
  • "on other artists' respective albums"
Done
  • "After forming as a group in 1986"
Done
  • "influences of No Doubt." -> "influences of their debut." Again, not a massive deal here, but, as currently written, this sentence could easily be confusing for anyone who, say, uses a screen reader.
Done
  • Per MOS:NBSP, stick a non-breaking space within million numbers, i.e. 16 million -> 16&nbsp;million
Done
  • "Tragic Kingdom has sold 16 million copies worldwide". As of when?
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  • "is considered one". Considered by whom? If it's a uncontroversially one of the best-selling albums of all time in the US, then you can get rid of "considered".
Done
  • Did they spend three years working on Push and Shove? This confused me.
  • The second paragraph ideally needs a citation at the end of it.
Done
  • "Rock Steady" needs to be below "A Rock Steady Vibe", and "New" needs to be below "New Friend" when the page first loads (because sorting them by name will put them in this order).
    • @A Thousand Doors: I respectfully disagree. Rather, I think a sort key should be added to make "Rock Steady" sort above "A Rock Steady Vibe" and "New" above "New Friend" (the only reason they don't is that the songs are enclosed in quotation marks and quotation marks are sorted after spaces). TompaDompa (talk) 00:43, 22 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Album titles beginning with "The" need to sort under the first letter of their second word, i.e. B, R and S.
Done

I realise that I've given a lot of criticism here, so, if you'd like to get your own back on me, my current open FLC is YouTube Awards. If you've got the time, I welcome any comments on it. Thanks, A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 12:03, 13 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Carbrera plenty of comments here to address? The Rambling Man (talk) 17:06, 21 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from TompaDompa
  • American band No Doubt – I'd add a genre modifier.
Maybe this is just me, but it's really hard to list just one genre for No Doubt – almost each album served as a reinvention so it is rather difficult to summarize their style in just one type of music. Carbrera (talk) 04:32, 2 September 2018 (UTC).[reply]
  • After forming in 1986, No Doubt released a series of demo tapes at their concerts and live shows – I'd call them "the band" in this instance.
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  • Tragic Kingdom has sold 16 million copies worldwide as of 2015, and is one of the best-selling albums of all time in the United States. Five years later, No Doubt released their fourth studio album, Return of Saturn (2000). – the first sentence is a bit clunky, and the second sentence initially seems to refer to 2020 (five years after 2015) as a result of coming right after the first one.
Done
  • Lyrically, the songs featured on Return of Saturn are complex and have Stefani singing about her personal romances. – I'd include this information in the first sentence about the album.
  • Push and Shove explores more modern sounds and expands on their exploration with dancehall and reggae music. – I like that the musical style of each album is mentioned and compared to the others, but this phrasing sounds a bit too much like something I'd find in a review (rather than an encyclopedia) for my taste.
  • The group also has writing credits on several other albums. They collaborated [...] – I'd use a semicolon instead of a period here.
  • All songs recorded by No Doubt, except where noted. is unnecessary and should be removed.
  • This is not a complete list. Two things:
    • This should use the {{inc-musong}} template.
    • How do you reconcile this with WP:FLCR 3(a)?
  • What does the {{N/A}} template for "Intro" mean (considering the different {{Unknown}} template is used for several other songs)?
  • How is it possible that "My Room Is Still Clean" was released in 1994 as a B-side to "Squeal" which was released in 1995?
  • I'd suggest adding cell shadings (and symbols, as required by WP:ACCESSIBILITY) to add visual variety to the table as this increases the visual appeal significantly and makes it easier to read longer lists such as this one. Covers of other artists' songs would be a possible category for this, as would single releases.

TompaDompa (talk) 00:43, 22 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

TompaDompa – I hope this isn't too much of a trouble for you, but I converted your usage of the "#" into bulletpoints so I could more easily mark which issues I had completed (or rather, added Done to afterwards) without breaking the numbered list. Sorry if that causes any trouble, Carbrera (talk) 04:32, 2 September 2018 (UTC).[reply]

Carbrera comments have been here nearly ten days unaddressed, do you intend to respond to them, or shall I archive this nomination? The Rambling Man (talk) 13:35, 31 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The Rambling Man – I am sorry for the long response in addressing comments. Not that this is any excuse, as I did not respond to comments earlier, but recently I have been tending to some health problems, so again I apologizeHowever, this shouldn't be an issue in the future. Thanks, Carbrera (talk) 04:32, 2 September 2018 (UTC).[reply]
  • I hope that you are feeling better! Aoba47 (talk) 21:06, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The Rambling Man – Would you please archive this FLC? Due to unexpected circumstances I will likely remain off of Wikipedia for an extended amount of time. The Rambling Man, Aoba47, TompaDompa – Thank you for your time taken to provide detailed input and sorry for the inconvenience. Carbrera (talk) 20:29, 23 September 2018 (UTC).[reply]
Sure, all the best. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:30, 23 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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