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List of international goals scored by Phil Younghusband edit

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Nominator(s):  Bait30  Talk 2 me pls? 06:21, 14 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because I believe that it fits the featured list criteria and that it is similar in quality to other featured lists such as List of international goals scored by Sunil Chhetri and List of international goals scored by Miroslav Klose.  Bait30  Talk 2 me pls? 06:21, 14 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:29, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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  • "His 14th international goal was scored against Vietnam in a matched dubbed "The Miracle of Hanoi"" - firstly "match" is spelt incorrectly. And secondly it might be worth adding a few words to explain just why the match was dubbed that.
  • "Younghusband received his first senior team call-up the following year, in 2006" - if it was the following year then quite obviously it was 2006, so there's no real need to mention the year.
  • "He has scored more against Timor-Leste than any other team" - if his international career is over then this should be "He scored more against Timor-Leste than any other team"
  • "Younghusband has scored a hat‑trick twice" - as above, this should be "Younghusband scored a hat‑trick twice"
  • Think that's it from me, nice work! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:27, 14 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • @ChrisTheDude: I think I addressed all your comments. Please let me know what you think about my Miracle of Hanoi explanation as prose writing isn't one of my strengths.  Bait30  Talk 2 me pls? 21:13, 14 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Kosack (talk) 21:22, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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  • We tend to avoid listing dual nationalities for footballers, as seen in Younghusband's article itself. I would say we should be following along these lines and simply drop that from the opening sentence.
  • "all-time male top goalscorer", there's no need to include male here to differentiate.
  • Fifty > 50.
  • Unless you've done it deliberately, the refs for the note below the international goals heading would be better in numerical order.
  • The tables in the international statistics section need scope cols/row, per WP:DTAB.
  • I don't know if it's just me, but I can't access ref 48.

A few points from a first run through. Kosack (talk) 19:17, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • @Kosack: I believe I addressed all of your comments. As for the DTAB issue, I don't believe I needed to add scope="row" to any of the rows since they don't have row headers, but I did add scope="col" to the table that was missing it.  Bait30  Talk 2 me pls? 20:07, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Happy to Support. Kosack (talk) 21:22, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comments by WA8MTWAYC
  • "He is also the most capped player for the Philippines" this is the third time in as many sentences you've written "the Philippines". I would write something like "for the country" to have some variation.
  • "50 of Younghusband's international goals" avoid starting a sentence with a digit per MOS:NUM.
  • Some refs are missing their publication dates: refs 2, 5, 8, 11, 28, 29, 31, 37, 38, 39.
  • Equally, two refs are missing their retrieval dates: refs 10 and 42.
  • What makes "globalsportsarchive.com" a reliable source? WA8MTWAYC (talk) 10:35, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from MWright96 (talk) 13:31, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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  • "Phil Younghusband is a former professional footballer who played as a forward for the Philippines national football team from 2006 to 2019." - Think Reference 7 "Best of the Decade: Phil Younghusband was the face of football's renaissance" can be used to verify this sentence since it mentions this information
  • "and its role as a turning point in Philippine football" - what was the exact effect of Younghusband's goal in Philippine football?
  • "50 of Younghusband's international goals" - avoid starting sentences with figures per MOS:NUMNOTES
  • "against Asian Football Confederation nations while the remaining two goals came against Oceania Football Confederation nations." - repetition of "nations
  • Reference 5 "Mystery gamer alerts Philippines to Chelsea tyros" needs to include the url-access=subscription field
  • Reference 11 "Azkals to join pocket tournament in Taiwan" is missing the author
  • Does Reference 14 "Filipino booters beat Brunei to advance in Asian Championship" have a page number or author?
  • Reference 16 "2010 龍騰盃國際足球賽技術分析表 1場" is missing the translated title to accompany the original Chinese tltle
  • Reference 20 "(UPDATE) Philippine Azkals beat Mongolia Blue Wolves, 2–0" is missing the author which is located at the bottom. Also the word "(UPDATE)" should not be spelt in all capital letters per MOS:ALLCAPS
  • Reference 24 "India bows out of AFC Challenge after loss to Philippines" and Reference 34 "Philippines hold India" are missing Press Trust of India as the agency in the agency= field
  • Reference 37 "Azkals fall to Myanmar in Peace Cup final" is missing the author
  • Reference 41 "AFF Suzuki Cup 2014: Philippines bounce back to beat Laos 4–1" is missing Reuters as the agency in the agency= field MWright96 (talk) 15:36, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • @MWright96: I believe I addressed most of your comments. I removed the "Filipino booters beat Brunei" reference since I could not verify it and since I found an online reference for the game already. I'm not the best when it comes to prose writing, so please let me know if you have any suggestions on how to improve the "Miracle of Hanoi" explanation any further.  Bait30  Talk 2 me pls? 20:51, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support -- MWright96 (talk) 13:31, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from HAL333 23:17, 26 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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  • You should shorten video gamer to just "gamer." More concise, and that's the name of the linked article as well.
  • Hopefully you don't mind that I archived all of the references.

Everything else looks great.HAL333 19:54, 26 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Glad to Support. ~ HAL333 23:17, 26 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

  • "with the national team ... for the team" repetitive.
  • What makes Rappler a RS?
    • It's considered generally reliable per WP:RS/PS.
  • "His 12th international goal was" feels really odd talking about this before his debut/first goal are mentioned.
    • Yeah, it's out of order chronologically, but I felt it was a good place in terms of narrative.
  • (AMAZING fact about his nationality being discovered by a gamer!!)
  • I see ESPN saying In 2018, Younghusband used his right foot to lift the Philippine Azkals into its most prestigious tournament in its history so I would assume this should be worth covering here?
    • Good idea. Would make it easier to move the Miracle of Hanoi mention while keeping a good narrative.
  • Worth noting that he retired age 32 and why (if possible) as that's young...
  • Reference should be Reference(s).
  • For aesthetics, normally the refs are centrally aligned in the table.
    • I can't figure out how to do this. It seems like it should be simple, but I can't find anything on applying a style to entire columns. I can only find how to do it to entire rows. Also, all the other "List of international goals..." featured list refs are left aligned. It's just hard to tell sometimes because they only use one ref per row.
  • "beat Laos 4-1" should be an en-dash.

That's all I have. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 16:55, 1 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Source review

  • Source #8 checks out the main list of goals
  • #8 has game 2 as an ASEAN Games Qualifier instead of a 2007 AFF Championship qualification, which I assume are the same, do you know?
  • others I checked are all fine: #2, #3, #4, #26, #27, #28, #29, #30, #31, #32, #33, #34
  • In terms of reliability of sources: I was unfamiliar with quite a few, such as Rappler, but they all seem ok.

Edwininlondon (talk) 16:50, 24 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Thanks for the explanation. I will look that documentary up, sounds interesting. Based on prose and source review, I Support this nomination. Edwininlondon (talk) 06:58, 25 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Promoting. --PresN 04:37, 29 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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