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List of accolades received by Boys Don't Cry (film) edit

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Nominator(s): Johanna (aka BenLinus1214)talk to me!see my work 19:25, 13 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because I believe that it meets the criteria. I recently created the article as a fork from the article Boys Don't Cry (film), which I am working hard at to get to FA status. Even more recently, I did some cleanup on it, mainly looking through archives to find better sources. Checking the article against other similar FLs, I definitely think it can meet the criteria. Thank you to any willing reviewers in advance and I look forward to reading and addressing your comments! :) Johanna (aka BenLinus1214)talk to me!see my work 19:25, 13 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Cowlibob (talk) 16:52, 20 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, suggest withdraw and peer review

List requires a top to toe rework to meet FLC which perhaps could be done outside of the FLC process.

  • The film plot needs referencing. Odd phrasing such as "comrades", "anatomically female", we have to be careful in how we refer to transgender people.
  • You need to mention only the key people in the film. I haven't seen the film but I presume Swank, Sevigny, Sarsgaard, Sexton would suffice as the main roles. With only supporting actors who play a key role additionally being mentioned. It's not clear why Goranson is needed.
  • done Removed.
  • When describing the film's release, start with its premiere at the Venice International Film Festival and then discuss its limited release. Box Office Mojo's domestic isn't always just United States, it can include other North American countries.
  • done It actually premiered at the Toronto International Film Festival, but I changed it. :)
The Toronto International Film Festival is not in the source provided. The film premiered at the Venice International Film Festival [[1]]. Cowlibob (talk) 18:01, 14 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • We don't say roughly. You can say over $11 million.
  • done
  • Review aggregators shouldn't be used as a reference for critical acclaim, other sources should be used. You can however say something like this "The review aggregator Rotten Tomatoes surveyed 76 reviews and judged 88% to be positive."
  • done I put in a Michael Sragow quote calling the film a "critical knockout".
  • We don't generally mention who the nominee lost to in these type of lists.
  • done
  • Should add alttext for main image per WP:ALT for accessibility.
  • 'done
  • Las Vegas, Online Film & Television, Southeastern awards should be removed as non-notable. There is WikiProject film consensus to not include non-notable awards which don't merit a separate Wiki article. Indeed these three have had their pages deleted for non-notability.
  • done
  • rowscopes have not been added to every award row.
  • done
  • Refs 3, 16, 21 are dead.
  • For what was formerly ref 16 (the Guldbagge Awards) there's a slight problem—it's a database-type source that doesn't change the url when you actually search for the correct listings. What should I do? The other two are done.
  • Refs should have separate column
  • done Let me know how that looks.
  • Recipients column is sortable so each entry should be wikilinked. They should also sort by surname.
  • done I think this should be good now.
  • awardsandwinners.com is not a reliable source
  • Hmm. There's literally no other source I could find that listed the Critics' Choice awards for that year. What should I do?
  • formatting for references is incorrect. For web sources such as Florida Film Critics Circle, National Board of Review, it should be <ref>{{cite web|url=|title=|publisher=|date=|accessdate=}}</ref> For news/magazine sources such as Variety or Empire should be <ref>{{cite news|url=|title=|work=|publisher=|date=|accessdate=}}</ref>
  • done There weren't a lot of news publications in this, but I changed them for the ones that are.
Not yet done. Box Office Mojo, BAFTA, Rotten Tomatoes, MTV, Swedish Film Database, Hollywood.com, AFI, the various critics organisations in the refs should be publisher= and use the cite web template shown above. Empireonline should be [[Empire (film magazine)|Empire]]. Satyajiray.org.uk should be The Satyajit Ray Foundation
done. But, if I may ask, don't the "publisher" and "work" parameters produce the same result? I did change it though. Johanna (aka BenLinus1214)talk to me!see my work 00:11, 15 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • @BenLinus1214: "Publisher" and "work" are different parameters. Work will italicize the title you input; publisher keeps it normal.
--Birdienest81 (talk) 23:14, 16 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

So lots of work to be done. If you feel you with or without someone's help can meet the above points, be my guest and sort them. Although I think it maybe better to sort them out outside of the FLC process in a peer review. You are fortunate that a lot of new FLs have been made in this area so you've got lots of good examples to look at: e.g. List of accolades received by 12 Years a Slave (film) (one of my ones), List of accolades received by Queen (film). Cowlibob (talk) 21:20, 13 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • @Cowlibob: Whew! I believe that I have addressed all the concerns. Let me know how it looks now and if you have any other comments! :)
Your ping didn't work. Replied partially inline. Also include a column for the date of the ceremony for each award. Cowlibob (talk) 18:01, 14 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure what you mean by "replied partially inline", but I did add a column for the date of the ceremony for each award, modeling my linking after the List of accolades received by 12 Years a Slave (film) article. Johanna (aka BenLinus1214)talk to me!see my work 00:11, 15 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@BenLinus1214: Sorry for the delay. Have struck my oppose for now. Thanks for the improvements you've made thus far. The replied inline was that I have replied to some of the comments in line above such as Venice being the premiere of the film. I shall look at the list later, when I have some more time. Cowlibob (talk) 22:22, 17 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Cowlibob: It's okay! Look at that…I had never seen that. Added it to both the main article and the list. Johanna (aka BenLinus1214)talk to me!see my work 00:19, 18 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Cowlibob (talk) 12:09, 29 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Further comments
  • Change the date for its premiere, you still have the date when it was screened at TIFF. Also replace ref 3 with the one I provided which actually discusses Venice premiere.
  • done
  • The source used for critical acclaim is enough for saying the film was critically acclaimed but not that Swank and Sevigny were the reason for the acclaim. You can use this one (Los Angeles Times source) [[2]] which at least specifies that Swank performance was acclaimed.
  • Alright, I couldn't find a source for Sevigny, so I'll do that.
  • Instead of the line "Boys Don't Cry has received honors for its writing, directing, and acting,....". how about this as a rephrasing "Boys Don't Cry garnered awards and nominations in a variety of categories with particular praise for Swank's performance as Teena, its screenplay and its direction."
  • done
  • You can't say that a film performed poorly. Just simply state the fact that Swank was nominated at the BAFTAs as it's a POV issue.
  • fixed
  • Sevigny is not wikilinked at every occurrence in the table.
  • According to the IMDb, the film was nominated for a Robert Award which is missing from the table. Also received awards and nominations at the Stockholm International Film Festival. Young Hollywood Awards are also missing. Please check these out as often IMDb is right about this and provide a reliable source when you add them to the table.
  • @Cowlibob: That's good but I was unable to provide a reliable source for many: I knew about the Young Hollywood Awards, but I was unable to find a reliable source for this, so I removed it. I also cannot find a source for Swank's award at the Stockholm Film Festival as well as the screenplay award. Johanna (aka BenLinus1214)talk to me!see my work 18:15, 20 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
If there is no reliable source for the award then it's ok to not include it. I shall do my search to see if I can dig up something on these missing awards. Cowlibob (talk) 19:59, 21 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Cowlibob: Great! thanks. Tell me when you're done looking. I really appreciate this. Johanna (aka BenLinus1214)talk to me!see my work 21:19, 21 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Had a look, found this ref [[3]] from Canal Plus. If you google translate it, [[4]]. You can see it supports the Young Hollywood Awards for Best Screenplay and Best Director and Stockholm Screenplay Award. Cowlibob (talk) 20:10, 24 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Cowlibob: Great, those have been incorporated into the article. Do you have any other comments? :) Johanna (aka BenLinus1214)talk to me!see my work 22:46, 24 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • How are 2nd place finishes counted in the infobox, are they wins or only nominations? Cowlibob (talk) 16:52, 20 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by Birdienest81 edit

  • Comments: Here is a link to an archived version of the Critics Choice Awards website that lists Hilary Swank's award for Boys Don't Cry. I'll fix the link if you want me to.
--Birdienest81 (talk) 04:32, 14 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Birdienest81: Thank you! It turns out the association which runs the awards had just changed their domain. archive.is is apparently discouraged (there was a big RFC) but I found the url on Wayback Machine. Are you planning on taking a look through the list? :) Johanna (aka BenLinus1214)talk to me!see my work 13:19, 14 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Replace ref 7 with this link this one because when I click on the current one you have, nothing appears because the information about the 72nd Academy Awards was derived from a awards search which times out. The one I gave you at least keeps the mention of Best Actress without timing out.
  • Remove Oscars.org from the work paramater, and at "(AMPAS)" after Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences in the publisher field.
  • done
Otherwise, this list looks promising, so I'll support it. You may want to ask others for feedback because I may not have caught other errors.
--Birdienest81 (talk) 23:25, 16 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by Gen. Quon edit

Tentative Support

  • The period should go outside the quotation marks in the phrase "critical knockout", per WP:LQUOTE
  • done
  • I would amend the following sentence so that it reads: "The review aggregator Rotten Tomatoes surveyed 76 reviews and judged 88% of them' 'to be positive." (Or something similar, I just feel hanging 88% there is a little hard to follow)
  • done
  • What I would do for the Guldbagger Awards reference issue is just add a little note at the end of the reference that says something like: "Note: 'Award' and 'Year' must be manually entered", or something like that
  • done
  • This might just be a stylistic preference on my part, but in Ref 1, for instance, you don't have a wikilink to The New York Times, but in the very next reference, you do link The Washington Post. I would either link all of 'em, or link non of 'em.
  • done

@Gen. Quon: Thanks for the comments! Johanna (aka BenLinus1214)talk to me!see my work 15:36, 17 August 2015 (UTC) Just a few things. This looks like a very good list!--Gen. Quon (Talk) 03:34, 17 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Awesome. Support.--Gen. Quon (Talk) 17:38, 17 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from West Virginian

Comments from FrB.TG edit

Resolved comments from Frankie talk
    • Why is the image's caption written in small font?
  • done
  • "The film was critically acclaimed, particularly for Swank's acting,[5] with one reviewer Michael Sragow.."
  • done
  • I think you should merge second sentence with third sentence from the second para, as they are too similar. See: "At the 72nd Academy Awards, Swank won for Best Actress, while Sevigny.." and "At the 57th Golden Globe Awards, Swank won for Best Actress – Drama, while Sevigny.."
  • done
  • "as well as her work co-writing the screenplay with Andy Bienen" – something does not seem right with this sentence.
  • done changed "co-writing" to "co-authorship"
  • Wiki-link FIPRESCI in the lead.
  • done
  • Since you have considered the runner-up awards wins, I think you should add a footnote regarding it.
  • Actually, I have considered the runner-up awards losses--where should I put the footnote?
  • Whoops, my bad! In that case you don't need to add a footnote anywhere. -- Frankie talk 19:46, 8 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wiki-link the author of ref 2 (as you have linked the ref 1 author).
  • done
  • Fixed
  • .com is not the part of Salon's title (source 6). Also, it's a web source, so it does not italicization.
  • done
  • Sorry for this, but Salon is a news website, so revert it (italicize it). -- Frankie talk 19:46, 8 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Done
  • done
  • I see MOS:DASH violations in references.
  • It appears that I mostly use en dashes throughout the article, so I changed it to all en dashes--that is okay as long as it's all one type, right?
  • The format for the accessdate of ref 25 should be the same as others'.
  • done
  • Four dead links and a redirected source to fix according to this. -- Frankie talk 11:50, 8 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • The four dead links are actually just included in the list because they are original links--all of them were already archived. The changed subdomain does not affect the page.

@FrB.TG: I believe I have addressed all your concerns. Thank you for the feedback!

If ya don't mind, can ya put some comments here? -- Frankie talk 19:46, 8 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@FrB.TG: I will! Do you think you can support now? Johanna (formerly BenLinus1214)talk to me!see my work 22:10, 8 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – excellent work on a very good film. -- Frankie talk 14:04, 9 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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