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List of World Heritage Sites in Greece

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Nominator(s): Tone 08:43, 6 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Greece has 18 WHS and 14 more tentative sites, making this nomination probably the longest list that I've worked on so far. Cyprus is already seeing support so I am adding this one. The style is standard. I am sure there can be several language improvements. Many of the images are "columns and ruins", but for Greece, this is to be expected. Lots of history there! Tone 08:43, 6 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from RunningTiger123 (talk) 22:40, 17 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • Archive sources
  • In both table headers, region should link to Administrative regions of Greece (since that's what the table uses)
  • From a quick scan of the sources (not a source review), the Temple of Apollo Epicurius at Bassae should only be listed under criteria i, ii, and iii. I'm not sure if the criteria for other sites are correct — I checked a few others and they seemed okay, but I didn't check all of them.
  • Archeological site of Olympia needs a semicolon in the UNESCO data column
  • It appears that the second table uses scope="row" for the leading cells, while the first table does not. For consistency, they should be the same – I would suggest adding the scope to the first table.

— RunningTiger123 (talk) 17:58, 6 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You should be able to archive the sources with a bot on request – see User:InternetArchiveBot for details. RunningTiger123 (talk) 00:29, 17 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Edit: here is a direct link to archive sources. You may have to give it permission to edit on your behalf if you haven't used it before. RunningTiger123 (talk) 00:32, 17 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Sweet, thanks :) --Tone 08:09, 17 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support – RunningTiger123 (talk) 22:40, 17 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from GeraldWL 10:08, 16 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from Gerald Waldo Luis

I am willing to make List of World Heritage Sites in Indonesia a featured list, so am learning from nominations here. If all comments below resolved, I'll strike this to support. I think I'm literally the most chill person on FLCs because of this. Key: (Section number-Column number)

  • Some sources are not archived.
    • How is this done? I assume a bot is used for that? At least someone always achived the sources before the lists were promoted.
  • Link Greek culture within "cultural"?
    • Probably not. Some sites are Venetian or "Frankish" in origin, which is not what the article is about.
  • I'm concerned about perfect typography in alt texts. Screen readers are not perfect; they will read exactly how it think it reads like. So for the Vergina image, "Facade of Philip II" may read "fe-sad of fi-lep ai-ai." I suggest changing that to "Facade of Philip 2".
    • Good point. Never thought of that.
  • I never understand the use of Template:Clear. Here, they cause a random blank space between the lead and the first list section heading.
    • This is in order to make the table appear in full size and not to stack with the map on top, which is an issue on larger screens (Sweden WHS was especially tricky in that case).
  • (1-1) Do you mean "Epicurus"? If so, suggest linking Epicurus.
    • No, not related to the philosopher, Epicurus is the title of Apollo in this case.
  • (1-4) I suppose Byzantine time hasn't been linked, so suggest linking it.
    • No, that one is about time keeping, not the era.
  • (1-4) Link Orthodoxy?
  • (1-6) Link Spread of Christianity?
    • Agree.
  • (1-7) "...and the Theatre"-- of the same name? Perhaps include that?
    • I'd write the name if it was different, I think it is kind of obvious in this case.
  • (1-8) Why should you have a bracket that links to Knights Hospitaller, when Order of St John of Jerusalem is already a redirect?
    • This is the name they are commonly known as, and to avoid a redirect.
  • (1-8) Link Ottoman Empire within "Ottomans"?
    • Done.
  • (1-9) Link Mystras?
    • Linked already in the site name in the first column.
  • (1-9) Is Byzantine Empire linked prior? If no, suggest linking.
    • No harm in linking more than once. The table is sortable, some editors say.
  • (1-12) "Hosios Loukas is pictured." is weirdly placed.
    • Added that it is a monastery.
  • (2-1) "...listed here, is already a World Heritage site." Capitalize "Site".
    • Done.
  • (2-3) Is the "Classical period" this period?
  • (2-last) So "Classical period" is linked here. I'm not sure if...
    • You found it ;) I'll link the one above :)
  • Suggest having a Template:Portal at See also with the Greek portal.
    • Portal is already in the links below. I think that's enough.

That's all the comments I have. GeraldWL 14:11, 7 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Gerald Waldo Luis: Done! Comments above where needed. --Tone 08:02, 16 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • "ran by monks from several Orthodox countries" => "run by monks from several Orthodox countries"
  • "The Linear B tablets are the first testimonies of Greek language" => "The Linear B tablets are the first testimonies of the Greek language"
  • "Mycenaean culture inspired Homer to compose Ilyad" => "Mycenaean culture inspired Homer to compose the Iliad" (that is the usual spelling in English-speaking countries)
  • "The Romans reshaped it into a "small Rome", with adding public buildings" => "The Romans reshaped it into a "small Rome", adding public buildings"
  • "Mining activities in the Lavrion area have been recorded already in the 4th millennium BCE and has continued well into the 20th century" => "Mining activities in the Lavrion area have been recorded since the 4th millennium BCE and continued well into the 20th century"
  • "First temples and shrines on the site data back" => "The first temples and shrines on the site date back"
  • "The site cover the most important palatial centres" => "The site covers the most important palatial centres"
  • "The area around the Prespa lakes" - in the first column, Lakes has a capital L, but here it doesn't
  • "They were built in non-urban areas and served defence purposes" => "They were built in non-urban areas and served defensive purposes"
  • "People, who live in this remote area" => "People who live in this remote area"
  • That's it from me. Great work overall! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:46, 9 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:04, 16 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from ~ HAL333 19:14, 19 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
;Comments
  • The lede seems a little sparse imo.
  • The Samaria gorge is one of the gorges --> The Samaria gorge is located in More concise.
  • indispensable element of every urban centre --> indispensable element of urban centres
  • During the Venetian period, a fortress has been built to protect the natural port of Elounda. --> During the Venetian period, [Greeks?] constructed a fortress to protect the natural port of Elounda.
  • Link the first instance of endemic.
  • Link to the Athenian navy.

Nice list. ~ HAL333 16:15, 18 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@HAL333: done, thanks! I expanded the lede a bit, but it is hard to be creative when being concise at the same time. No idea who built the fortress, probably the locals together with Venetian workers, so I'd leave that in passive. --Tone 17:48, 19 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

  • "Temple of Apollo Epicurius at Bassae" source says the site appears to have been forgotten for almost 1700 years.
  • Some close phrasing there too with the original: "After being forgotten for 1700 years, the temple was rediscovered in the 18th century and attracted the attention of scholars and artists" vs "The temple appears to have been forgotten for almost 1700 years until it was rediscovered in the 18th century and attracted intense interest from scholars and artists."
    • Rewritten.
  • " and in Greek view the navel of the world " what does this mean? would put this in quotes.
    • That's why the Omphalos is linked. I put it in quotes.
  • "Delphi was seen as" by whom?
    • By the ancient Greek world, I think this is rather clear.
  • "The Acropolis has since then exerted a profound influence" reads like a brochure, according to whom and in what sense?
    • Rewritten.
  • "has enjoyed an" not encyclopedic tone.
    • Changed.
  • "Autonomous Monastic State of the Holy Mountain" source calls it "Autonomous region of Mount Athos"
    • I linked Monastic Republic of Mount Athos instead, as per the Wikipedia article.
  • "run by monks from several Orthodox countries" didn't see this in the source.
    • Removed, indeed, this is only implied.
  • "The Sanctuary is " no need for capital as you're not using the formal name.
  • " is one of the most beautiful urban ensembles" according to whom? Brochure talk.
    • Changed.
  • "the town for the modern town" repetitive.
    • Good point.

There's a start, more to come. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 10:49, 13 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • "with no added spaces" what does that mean?
  • " important personalities" seems a strange way to describe these people, they were philosophers/mathematicians rather than simply "personalities".
    • Agreed.
  • "Mycenaean culture inspired Homer..." not clear on what direct relevance this has to the site.
    • Changed. Please check if it is not too close to the source.
  • " 49-50 CE" en-dash.
  • "As of 2020..." could update.
  • "listed here," unnecessary.
  • "Late Medieval Bastioned Fortifications in Greece" 11 disparate geographical locations are listed.
    • Well, I suppose that Akronafplia - Bourtzi - Palamidi all count as Nafplio?
  • "National Park of Dadia - Lefkimi - Souflion" en-dashes.
  • "three out of four European vultures, Egyptian" colon after vultures.
  • Lesvos category is "mixed".
    • Right, not sure how this error appeared. I'll also add a sentence to show why the cultural aspect.
  • " a 50 kilometres (31 mi) long" needs adj=on in the convert template for the adjectival usage.
    • Did I get it right?
  • File:Nativity Eleoussa Prespa Church Fresco.jpg probably needs to be mentioned in the description.
    • I changed for the picture of the lake, makes more sense to me.
  • Prespes Lakes is vii not viii.
  • " Many churches have been built" -> "were built".
  • "a fortress has been " -> "a fortress was"
  • "White tower" the description capitalises it as "Tower".
  • Zagorochoria is (v) not (iv).
  • " area, belong to" no comma needed.

The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 12:36, 13 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Promoting. --PresN 03:52, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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