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The list was archived by Giants2008 via FACBot (talk) 00:26, 20 September 2021 (UTC) [1].[reply]

List of Marshals of the First French Empire edit

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Nominator(s): BasedMisesMont Pelerin 00:34, 7 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because I have worked extensively on this list. I brought it from having 0 sources and no table, with no images, to having enough to qualify. I strongly suggest that you drop as many suggestions as possible below. Thank you! BasedMisesMont Pelerin 00:34, 7 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments
  • "The rank was used sporadically" - later on you specifically state that it wasn't a rank...........?
  • Corrected
  • "In total, 26 men have been awarded" - this should be "In total, 26 men were awarded" given that the award is long defunct
  • Done
  • "The most recent promotions to field marshal came in 1815" - first mention of "field marshal" - how does that relate to the role being discussed?
    Done
  • "when Napoleon promoted Grouchy" - use Grouchy's full name and wikilink them both
  • Done
  • "Some, including Poniatowski, served in foreign armies" - can't see any reason to only use his surname here given that he's not been mentioned before
  • Done
  • "One Marshal, and one future non-Napoleonic Marshal was present at the Battle of Vitoria" - assuming this refers to two different men, then the comma shouldn't be there and it should be "were present", not "was present"
  • Removed the "Non-Napoleonic Marshal"
  • I would merge the existing background section into the lead as both are pretty short and they don't duplicate each other
  • Battle of Waterloo wikilinked twice in consecutive sentences - only the first one needs to be linked
  • Done
  • In the paragraph starting "Marmont, born in 1774", you should use their full names, not just their surnames, as they haven't been mentioned before.
  • Done
  • Name column in the table should sort based on surname, not forename
  • Done
  • Comment - the table doesn't seem to be sortable any more, just wondering why that functionality was removed......? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 18:17, 11 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • If you add it back, make sure that the names are set to sort based on surname rather than forename.... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 18:31, 11 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • @ChrisTheDude – I just came across this nomination, and I have made the table sortable, and fixed the sorting. Please let me know if there is anything else to be addressed. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 12:28, 12 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Accessibility review (MOS:DTAB)
  • The table needs a caption, e.g. at the top of the table code add "|+ <table_caption_text>" or, if that caption would duplicate a nearby header, you can make it only for screen reader software like "|+ {{sronly|<table_caption_text>}}". Captions allow screen reader software to jump to tables by name.
Done
  • Column headers need to be marked with colscopes, e.g. "!Name" should be "!scope=col| Name". Colscopes and Rowscopes (below) allow screen reader software to properly read out tables verbally.
Done
Done
  • Images need alt text, which can just be e.g. "painting of Louis-Alexandre Berthier"; if it's not present, screen reader software instead reads out the file name. --PresN 14:49, 12 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Done
Okay. I will get right to fixing that. Thank you. BasedMisesMont Pelerin 15:25, 12 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from HAl edit

  • The lead is too short. I would recommend merging the background text into it and then expanding it further.
  • Could you make the table sortable?
  • For the citations with pages ranges, it should be "pp." not "p.". (I think)
Thanks for the comments. On Wikipedia it should be p. not pp. though (normally I write pp). I'll get right to fixing those problems. BasedMisesMont Pelerin 23:16, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It's generally "p." for a single page, "pp." for multiple pages. That said, Wikipedia does not have a site-wide style for citations, so it's whatever you want as long as it's consistent. --PresN 21:59, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That's all for now. ~ HAL333 18:13, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@HAL333 – I think all your concerns have been addressed, and I made the table sortable. Please let me know of any other concerns. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 12:30, 12 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@BasedMises: are you still working on this list? --PresN 21:59, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. BasedMisesMont Pelerin 22:42, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Source review – Pass edit

Doing now. Aza24 (talk) 20:04, 23 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Version reviewed: [2]
Formatting
  • The standard is "pp." for page ranges and "–" rather than hyphens ( - ), but this is not required, only the de facto standard
  • Be consistent on whether you include locations for publishers
  • I would avoid linking "London" in the sources, seems nothing more than WP:Overlinking
Reliability
  • Are the Headley refs even needed? It seems less than ideal to include a 150+ year old source, especially when Pattinson seemingly already covers the information?
Verifiability
@Aza24 – I have addressed all your concerns. I agree that Headley refs aren't necessarily needed when the same this can be verified by relatively new sources. Do let me know if there is anything else to do. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 12:35, 12 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Looks good, pass for source review. Aza24 (talk) 04:47, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Question What's the difference between this article and Marshal of the Empire? Aren't they covering the same ground? Hawkeye7 (discuss) 01:27, 24 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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