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List of Lady Gaga live performances edit

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Nominator(s): Frankie talk 20:08, 11 March 2016 (UTC) and GagaNutella (talk)[reply]

I and the co-nominator have worked tirelessly on this newly created list for a couple of weeks. With some assistance from fellow editors, IndianBio and SNUGGUMS, I believe we are finally ready to present the final list from Lady Gaga at FLC. I think this would sit quite happily with the other four lists. Thank you. Note: It has sources from publishers like Daily Mail, which is often considered unreliable but it should be noted that they are only for her live performances and not other controversial information. -- Frankie talk 20:08, 11 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment - the lead mentions that she was the support on two tours before her first headline tour, but there is no sign of these in the tables. These may not have been her own headline shows, but they were still live performances by her, so surely they should be included.....? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:15, 13 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Well, yes they they were still live performances by her that's why they are mentioned in the lead and in the table under the The Fame Ball Tour entry. It is not known on how many shows did she accompany them so it is difficult to create a table for those performances. I think just the lead is sufficient. Thank you. -- Frankie talk 19:42, 13 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comments by MPJ-DK (addressed)
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As a thank you for your FL input on my FLC for the Mexican National Light Heavyweight Championship I am more than happy to provide input on this list.

Grammatically I don't have a lot that stands out, so that's a good start.

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  • I see the phrase several times "at awards ceremonies" or "at tv shows". Not sure but should that be "on" instead of "at"?
I don't know but "at" seems more correct to me. Even its parent article uses "at".
"At" is correct. GagaNutellatalk 20:25, 13 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • "critically acclaimed, and" does not need the comma
  • "received positive response from reviewers" - should that "responses"? plural right?
  • Is the award called the "Concert Marketing & Promotion Award" with the &?
Yup, that's what ref 18 says.
It's on the Billboard's official site GagaNutellatalk 20:25, 13 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Large portions of the lead is unsourced, for FL all claims in the lead needs to be sourced, not just the tables.
That is because WP:LEAD advises against sourcing the lead when they are sourced in the main body of an article.
  • I am also surprised to not see the supporting act tours listed in the table, even if you cannot pinpoint how many she performed on they are live performances. If it's unclear how many then that can be noted in the list.
If I create a table on them, it will be an almost-empty one (even the names of the tours are unknown) as I have nothing to add there besides the fact that she supported certain artists.
We usually don't have a table just for opening act. That's mentioned on the lead and sometimes on the description of the tour. GagaNutellatalk 20:28, 13 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Tables sort okay, content, layout seems to be consistent.

Like I said, not a lot of issues as far as I can see, mainly sources in the text.  MPJ-US  19:57, 13 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the comments, all replied. -- Frankie talk 20:24, 13 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the comments, Frankie has resolved them. GagaNutellatalk 20:28, 13 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Alright I will do one last check today, to verify that all claims in the lead are sourced in the tables. If that checks out I will be happy to provide my support.  MPJ-US  12:00, 14 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, MPJ-DK, thank you!!! GagaNutellatalk 18:14, 14 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - Just a question, but does this article even need to exist? It just feels like a fork of every album and single/song article, where all of this info is available on much more informative level. I don't see the relevance of it.  — Calvin999 18:07, 14 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Calvin999: yes, it does. There are already many lists about tours and live performances from other artists on Wikipedia, and Gaga is a tour force and her live performances are one of her identity. This list is cohesive, well sourced and complete. GagaNutellatalk 18:13, 14 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I generally don't think it's that necessary, regardless of who it is for. It's nothing that isn't included in the respective articles as I mentioned previously, and in more details. I'm not denying that is cohesive, well sourced and complete; I wasn't and am not commenting on those aspects, just it's relevance. The article hasn't existed long enough to even view it's daily totals either to see if anyone is actually reading it. Also, I would have made the title read List of live performances by Lady Gaga, so that is matches that of the songs list.  — Calvin999 18:36, 14 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
By no means is this list or any other live performances list cfork of anything (live performances promote albums and songs). Her tours do exist but where did those last two sections exist before? If it is a cfork anyway, where should it be merged? If this list does not say anything new that her existing tours don't, artists' videographies do not either so I don't see the point of those lists. Besides, readership and age of this article got nothing to do with cfork. -- Frankie talk 19:14, 14 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I see your point, Calvin999, but I believe this list will grow on Wiki. Also, there are many "bad" sourced and written lists here, like List of Selena concert tours, List of Shakira concert tours, List of David Bowie concert tours, but they are still active to people read. Lastly, the name we followed the "standard", which is "List of name of the artist tours/concert tours/live performances". GagaNutellatalk 19:21, 14 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment As Gaga is a notable artist and has performed on many occasions, I think this list may be incomplete. Why don't we change the title to "List of concert tours by Lady Gaga" (can include residency show and promotional concert as well)? As far as I can see, the title "live performances" may be not fully exploited as Gaga had performed "live" in bars or clubs prior to her debut. Simon (talk) 05:11, 15 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks but I think it is impossible to keep track of her live performances before she was an established artist. This is as comprehensive as possible list of live performances by Lady Gaga at her concerts and notable events. -- Frankie talk 07:17, 15 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Then I think this list should change to List of concert tours by Lady Gaga to make sure that it is fully comprehensive. I once nominated List of Christina Aguilera concert tours a FL but it did not get promoted because of the section "Notable live performances". Simon (talk) 08:06, 15 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
If I move it to concert tours, there will be little left, making it a pure CFORK. We have added performances that have been reported in the media, and like I said above, it is impossible to have her pre-fame performances. -- Frankie talk 09:52, 15 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I agree, this list is exhaustive for all the live performances Gaga has done and pretty much a good indication of it. —IB [ Poke ] 11:21, 15 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I also agree; this article would have a very limited scope with only five tours if moved to that title. Snuggums (talk / edits) 14:06, 26 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Calvin999: and @HĐ:, can I request for your assessment now? —IB [ Poke ] 09:27, 30 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

To be honest, it does meet all of the criteria, it's well put together and sourced, so I guess I Support.  — Calvin999 09:30, 30 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Very well written article, but all of Gaga's articles are.--MaranoFan (talk) 09:37, 30 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks a ton, both of you. ツ FrB.TG (talk) 09:58, 30 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • To be honest I am still reluctant to vote per my comment above. Perhaps I'd keep neutral in this discussion and let others vote instead. Great list anyway, Simon (talk) 10:22, 30 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • Thank you @HĐ:, we would be glad to hear if you have any other comment for betterment of the article. —IB [ Poke ] 14:17, 30 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • The above comments say this list is exhaustive but I disagree. According to this list Applause only had one televised performance, a quick youtube search reveals many more. There are many radio performances which have not been included. I presumed festival performances are intentionally not included as they are considered a tour date, however what about the likes of radio ones big weekend, the capital ball, itunes festival etc which are slightly more unique? What about the Christmas and Thanksgiving specials she did? What about performances at night clubs? Performances on the Alan Carr show? I have limited knowledge of her live performances and can quickly identify these gaps so I'm sure a more thorough investigation would discover more.
  • I was also thinking about the festivals. Maybe creat a new section. I will add more performances too. GagaNutellatalk 20:40, 3 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: why the only mention of the touring locations is in the Born This Way description and the Promotional concert subsection? Every other tour FL (even this less detailed approach) says where the performers went! igordebraga ≠ 19:44, 8 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Well, that is because her concert tours were worldwide, which will read repetitive if I add. ツ FrB.TG (talk) 11:31, 9 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
But that Michael Jackson article I linked there also put it. Anyway, included, and am willing to Support this list (like other pop singers, Gaga has a really dedicated fanbase on the wiki). igordebraga ≠ 15:10, 9 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! Yeah, that she does and count me among those. ツ FrB.TG (talk) 15:22, 9 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Source review - passed
  • Spotchecks: checked 3, 23, 72, 124; all clean
  • Formatting: good, but consider archiving your references so that they don't get taken out by website closures or changes.
  • Comprehensive: The sources used seem comprehensive. --PresN 21:04, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, going ahead and promoting- I reviewed through the newer changes by GagaNutella, which were just adding a few minor performances. --PresN 21:19, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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