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The list was promoted by PresN via FACBot (talk) 00:25, 26 June 2024 (UTC) [1].

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Detroit Lions draft history

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Nominator(s): Hey man im josh (talk) 14:05, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

My last 11 nominations have been based on NFL first-round draft picks, but given that that series is now all promoted or nominated, it's time to move on to my next project! I am nominating this for featured list because I believe it meets all the criteria and as part of what I hope to be my first featured topic (this would be the subject of the topic, with 3 sub lists eventually). This list is based on Green Bay Packers draft history, which was promoted to featured list status on March 23, 2024. As always, I will do my best to respond quickly to address any and all concerns that are brought up. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:05, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Gonzo_fan2007 (Source review: Passed)

• When you do complete the individual picks lists, are you planning to link them from the table, similar to Green Bay Packers draft history?
• the franchise was relocated to Detroit and renamed to the Detroit Lions in, I think you could drop the second "Detroit" and just say "renamed to the Lions".
• Billy Sims and 1950 NFL draft have duplicate links in the lead
• Source review:
  • Reliable sources on what is being cited
  • Consistent formatting
  • Spot checks on sources match what they are being cited for
  • Ref 10 and 44 are the same, should be combined.
• Support on sources and overall! « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 14:20, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

  Thank you very much for the review @Gonzo fan2007!

  • If you view the table with source editor you'll see that I've actually got all the links in the table ready and commented out for when I move the individual pick lists to main space.
  • I think you could drop the second "Detroit" and just say "renamed to the Lions". – I'm hesitant to do this just for the reason that someone might mislead the statement to mean they were renamed to the "Portsmouth Lions".
  • Refs 10 and 44 have been combined.

  Aside from the comment about naming, I believe everything has been addressed. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:50, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

  Awesome, nice work! « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 14:56, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Pseud 14

• With the eigth pick -- eighth pick
• In addition to the 1984 supplemental draft, since 1977 the NFL has hosted an annual supplemental draft -- think it should work better if changed to: In addition to the 1984 supplemental draft, the NFL has hosted an annual supplemental draft since 1977...
• The Lions have selected first overall in a draft four times, selecting Frank Sinkwich -- suggest switching variation on selected then selecting to avoid being repetitive
• That's all from me. Great work as always. Pseud 14 (talk) 19:10, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

  @Pseud 14:

  • Fixed typo
  • Made suggested change
  • The Lions have selected first overall in a draft four times, selecting... -> The Lions have drafted first overall four times, selecting... – Does that work you think?

  I very much appreciate your feedback, thank you for the review! Hey man im josh (talk) 19:20, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

• Changes look good. Support. Pseud 14 (talk) 19:53, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Comments

• "In 1936, the Lions took part in the first NFL draft of college football players and have participated in every NFL draft since." => "The Lions took part in the first NFL draft of college football players in 1936 and have participated in every NFL draft since."
• "except for the short-lived All-America Football Conference (AAFC) in the late 1940s" - does this mean that that league also had a draft? If so then "except for that of the short-lived All-America Football Conference (AAFC) in the late 1940s"
• "special drafts have occurred. This included" => "special drafts have occurred. These included"
• " the number of rounds and the number of picks has fluctuated significantly" => " the number of rounds and the number of picks have fluctuated significantly"
• "The Lions participated in in the most recent draft in 2024" - duplicate "in"
• That's what I got :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 21:16, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

  • "In 1936, the Lions took part in the first NFL draft of college football players and have participated in every NFL draft since." -> "The Lions took part in the first NFL draft of college football players in 1936 and have participated in every NFL draft since." – Done, that does work better imo.
  • "except for the short-lived All-America Football Conference (AAFC) in the late 1940s" - does this mean that that league also had a draft? If so then "except for that of the short-lived All-America Football Conference (AAFC) in the late 1940s" – It did, I've made the change.
  • "special drafts have occurred. This included" -> "special drafts have occurred. These included" – Done.
  • " the number of rounds and the number of picks has fluctuated significantly" -> " the number of rounds and the number of picks have fluctuated significantly" – Done.
  • "The Lions participated in in the most recent draft in 2024" - duplicate "in" – D'oh, done.

  Thanks so much for the review and feedback @ChrisTheDude! Hey man im josh (talk) 13:38, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:42, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Support by Lee V

• I like that the lede goes into depths straight away about what the team is, and it's history.
• Do we need to use the word "franchise". It's quite an American term for a team.Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:14, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

  I agree, it is a rather American term, but after giving it some thought I do feel it is probably the best terminology for referring to the organization. Absolutely open to suggestions, but the only other terms that sprung to mind were team, club, and organization, none of which felt more appropriate than franchise in this context. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:15, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

• The article seems to require that you know what a draft is. The lede just states they were in the first one. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:14, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

  Hmmm. Do you mean draft as a general concept, or to better explain the purpose of the NFL drafts? For reference, I've typically used the second and third paragraphs at List of Detroit Lions first-round draft picks (with tweaks where appropriate) to explain the concept. This phrasing was taken and modified from the promoted Green Bay Packers draft history (which obviously doesn't mean it's not possibly to improve upon), which is why it differs. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:22, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

  Just in general really. From a UK audience, a draft is a thing that sends people to war, or you buy in pints. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:04, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

  I think and hope I've addressed that by adding "When a team selects a player, the team receives exclusive rights to sign that player to a contract and no other team in the league may sign them, with limited exceptions.: Hey man im josh (talk) 19:59, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

• competing leagues.[22][23][24][25][26 - could we try WP:BUNDLING. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:14, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
• I think the table could do with a small intro to explain what the rounds and original draft order are rather than using notes. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:14, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

  @Lee Vilenski: What do you think of a rework to something like User:Hey man im josh/sandbox? Also pinging @Gonzo fan2007. I would obviously clean this up more appropriately, but I do think, if more information is included, the lead becomes too long. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:38, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

  Admittedly, I am biased, but I think the current format is better. I don't think there is anything wrong with using notes. My thought to address the comment above would be to maybe add to the NFL draft was the only selection process to retain the rights to sign college football players collegiate draft for players of American football. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 18:50, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

  I too am biased towards notes. I'm struggling with striking the right balance between information at a glance vs expecting readers to go to other articles for more in depth info. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:53, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

  @Lee Vilenski: I apologize for the delay. I've bundled the refs and I added a bit to the section, with references, that I believe adequately explains things. I believe all of your feedback has been addressed. The remaining question has to do with whether franchise is the best word or whether there's a better one. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:47, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

  No pressure, just sending a gentle reminder ping about this to check whether everything's been addressed @Lee Vilenski. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:51, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

EN-Jungwon

• Ref 16 replace |last1=Rosdon with |last1=Risdon
• Ref 25 replace |first1=Matthew with |first1=Michael

-- EN-Jungwon 07:43, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

@EN-Jungwon: I have made the changes. Thank you for catching these. Hey man im josh (talk) 11:10, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Support -- EN-Jungwon 13:24, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Promoting. --PresN 18:54, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

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