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Bipasha Basu filmography edit

Bipasha Basu filmography (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

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Nominator(s): Yashthepunisher (talk) 05:56, 28 March 2016 (UTC) & Vensatry (Talk) [reply]

This list was created by Vensatry. I made further required changes and now I feel it meets the criteria's. Thank you. Yashthepunisher (talk) 05:56, 28 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comments Support

  • The lead needs some polishing.
  • "She received further critical acclaim and box-office success..." - I don't think "further critical acclaim and box-office success" works here, as the article doesn't talk about any prior success
  • "Her roles in films like Ajnabee, Raaz and Jism established her as a sex symbol of Hindi cinema." - The artcile never talks about "her roles", maybe a brief description of what roles she played to be deemed as the "sex symbol".
  • "Basu's next releases in 2004 like Aetbaar, Rudraksh, Rakht and Barsaat (2005) proved" - I think the phrasing doesn't work with 2004 in the begining.
  • She later acted in Prakash Jha's crime drama Apaharan (2005), and the multi-starrer comedy No Entry (2005), for which she received a Filmfare Award for Best Supporting Actress nomination. The film emerged as a financial success, grossing ₹750 million (US$11 million) at the box office." - The first sentence would work better as two separate sentences, as this here suggests that the Filmfare was for both movies, Also separating the sentences would add clarity for the box-office sentence as well.
  • " thriller Dhoom 2. It was one..." - thriller Dhoom 2, which was one. Just a suggestion though.
I meant merge the two sentences. NumerounovedantTalk 09:48, 30 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Should be okay now. —Vensatry (Talk) 16:44, 30 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Two years later she collaborated again with Abbas-Mustan for Race (2008),..." - a reason of why the articles jumps two years might work better.
  • "... and made her debut in Bengali cinema" - New sentence maybe?
  • "Horror queen" - "Scream queen", particularly because the article concurs with your facts, listing Basu as India's scream queen.
  • Being an attributed claim, we cannot say that unless the sources claim that way. —Vensatry (Talk) 09:25, 30 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
As I mentioned you can find it the Scream queens article itself with a footnote that substantiates the claim. Scream queen is the better suited term here. NumerounovedantTalk 09:48, 30 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Seems like that's a self-proclaimed title. It's better to have the popular opinion. —Vensatry (Talk) 16:44, 30 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I find the issue rather trivial but still if you just Google Bipasha Basu Scream Queen you'll find enough reliable source to support the claim. NumerounovedantTalk 18:04, 30 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
As I said earlier, it seems like a made up claim. I can see many sources that say 'Scream Queen' is a self-proclaimed title. —Vensatry (Talk) 18:49, 30 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • "roles as conjoined twins, thus becoming the first actress in Bollywood to perform such a role." - I am not sure what such a role means.
What I meant was that it sounds odd referring to conjoined twins aa "such a role". Try re-phrasing maybe? NumerounovedantTalk 09:51, 30 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see a problem here. 'Conjoined twins' is a role. —Vensatry (Talk) 16:44, 30 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • " as a host of the horror show Darr Sabko Lagta Hai." - maybe mention the network where the shows airs, but again just a suggestion.
  • I also feel a couple of important roles are missing from the Lead, most notably Omkara which was (one of them if not it) biggest critical success for Basu I assume? Rest the list looks good! NumerounovedantTalk 06:14, 29 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • You're quite right. Added a bit about the film. Thanks for the comments. —Vensatry (Talk) 09:25, 30 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Left my final comments. NumerounovedantTalk 09:48, 30 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Good work! NumerounovedantTalk 19:18, 30 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by Support from Dharmadhyaksha

Resolved comments
I will start with sources review.
  • The "Dutt" part of "Ahana Dutt" is not in the given source. Maybe use this instead.
Done. Yashthepunisher (talk) 05:22, 21 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • The "Verma" part of "Maya Verma" is not in the given source.
Replaced. Yashthepunisher (talk) 05:42, 21 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • The "Martin" part of "Sonia Martin" is not in the given source.
Replaced. Yashthepunisher (talk) 05:51, 21 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Still missing.
Fixed now. Yashthepunisher (talk) 16:34, 28 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • The "Shekhar" part of "Shanaya Shekhar" is not in the given source.
Replaced. Yashthepunisher (talk) 05:36, 21 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Riya Thapar" is not in the given source.
Replaced. Yashthepunisher (talk) 05:56, 21 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Are you using Wikipedia's article as reference here?
No, but the film itself. Yashthepunisher (talk) 12:03, 28 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • The "Mendonca" part of "Zoey Mendonca" is not in the given source. And the source actually says "Zoe".
Replaced. Yashthepunisher (talk) 05:28, 21 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Before i continue with verification of roles, i want it clarified. Are the sources used not for the full name of the role? Is the original film assumed to be a source here, just like how we do in film articles where not all character names are present in print. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 10:00, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Dharmadhyaksha: I would go with the second one. Most of the sources available in the form of review or an interview doesn't mention her full name. Yashthepunisher (talk) 05:24, 21 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
You have had one successful FL of Amitabh Bachchan filmography. Is that a general practice of all filmography FLs to not necessarily source the character's name? §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 06:38, 27 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I will take care of this issue from now on. Yashthepunisher (talk) 12:04, 28 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Is Rotten Tomato considered RS for Indian films?
Why not? It is a well known high quality source owned by the Warner Bros. Yashthepunisher (talk) 12:05, 28 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • RT is not linked on first occurrence in references.
Linked. Yashthepunisher (talk) 12:07, 28 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Is Bollywood Hungama RS throughout? I would assume that "news" or "review" sections of the website are RS considering those are written by many notable authors. But is "moviemicro" section also RS; because it is very much like IMDb.
  • RT and BH are reliable sources and are used in many FA/FL level Indian articles. Both sources are used just to confirm her presence – and 'role(s)' in some cases – in the films. IMDb is not considered reliable because it's a user-generated site (much like WP). —Vensatry (Talk) 07:40, 28 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Dharmadhyaksha do you have any other issue with this list? Yashthepunisher (talk) 06:13, 4 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from Krimuk90
  • "successful stint in modelling". Too informal.
  • "she made her Telugu cinema debut through" ==> You don't make a debut through a film, but a debut in/with a film.
  • "first commercial success through ". Again, wrong usage of "through"
  • I'm sure there's a better way of talking about her role in Raaz than using "victimised wife" in quotes.
  • "won her her first Filmfare Award for Best Actress nomination" One doesn't win a nomination.
  • "...kill her own husband" own is redundant.
  • "...won her a Filmfare Award for Best Performance in a Negative Role nomination". As above.
  • "multi-starrer comedy". Informal. Please use "ensemble"
  • "She portrayed Bianca..." No she did not. She portrayed a role based on Bianca.
  • "Her frequent association with horror films has earned her the title of "Horror queen" in Bollywood" Sudden change in tense, and why is the h in horror capitalised?
  • "dual roles as conjoined twins". Grammatically incorrect.
  • "...thus becoming the first actress in Bollywood to perform such a role". Poor phrasing. Please tweak.
  • Lack of consistency in the rows column of the table. Her dual roles in Dhoom 2 are separated by a "/" but her roles in Alone are not.
  • Did she portray dual roles in Ajnabee as well, or was it one character with two names? Please specify in the footnote.
  • Be consistent in using "Unknown" or "–" for roles in which she is unnamed.

The list is well-formatted and well-organised, but the prose will definitely benefit from a major copy-edit. Krimuk|90 (talk) 06:10, 22 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Krimuk90: The prose concerns have largely been addressed. I've not seen any of her films, so will leave the table and point #4 to Yashthepunisher. Thanks for the comments. —Vensatry (Talk) 07:35, 22 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Krimuk90: All fixed now. I have removed the "victimised wife" bit because even her husband was the "victim" of a ghost in the film. We don't need to mention every role specifically. Thanks for your comments. Yashthepunisher (talk) 12:40, 22 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The prose really wasn't at par with the FLC requirement, so I've given it a major copy-edit. Good luck! Krimuk|90 (talk) 14:41, 22 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from Pavanjandhyala
  • Having watched Takkari Donga, i can confidently say that it is not a drama. It can either be a western film or an action film. Choose one among the two which you find apt.
Done
  • "The following year, she starred opposite John Abraham in the erotic thriller Jism, in which she played a seductive wife who indulges in an extramarital affair and plots to kill her husband". A comma is missing in this sentence.
Done.
  • I think people collaborate for films, not in. Please rephrase this for Race.
Done
  • Race an action thriller? I don't think so. Thrills and stunts don't make an action film a thriller. :)
I kindly disagree here. If you see the film, there is a twist in every 20 minutes. Also there is enough "action" to justify the aforementioned genre.
I've seen Race. One cannot call a Sherlock Holmes' story an action type just because chases and fights happen. Similarly, a (regular) James Bond film cannot be called a thriller because there are twists. Anyways, instead of fighting or going off-topic, let the co-nominator Vensatry answer this. Pavanjandhyala (talk) 16:25, 23 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Removed the genre. It was just my opinion. Yashthepunisher (talk) 16:49, 23 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ditto with Dhoom 2.
Done
  • "Basu's portrayal of an escort earned her a Best Supporting Actress nomination at the 51st Filmfare Awards"—I suggest to rephrase it as a nomination for the Best Supporting Actress at the 51st Filmfare Awards ceremony.
Done
  • "....earned her another Filmfare Award for Best Actress nomination"—I suggest to rephrase it as another nomination for the Filmfare Award for Best Actress.
Done
  • "In 2015, she took on dual parts of conjoined twins—a first for an actress in a Bollywood film—in the horror film Alone"—Can you find a better way to rewrite this? close repetition of film and "she took on" sounds a bit informal.
  • I don't think so that Basu's cameo had a name in Rab Ne Bana Di Jodi.
Fixed.
  • Please provide a valid reliable source for the first footnote.
  • Fix ref no. 65. It is now redirecting to CNN-News18.

— Pavanjandhyala (talk) 12:54, 23 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Except for the three issues, I have fixed all of them. I'll leave the unresolved ones to @Vensatry:, because I can't perform them from my "not-so-smart phone". Thank you for your comments. Yashthepunisher (talk) 15:57, 23 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Yash, the remaining three issues are addressed by Vensatry. Now, since all my concerns are met, i support this list's promotion to FL. Good job overall, and wish you the best! Pavanjandhyala (talk) 16:52, 23 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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