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The article was promoted by Gog the Mild via FACBot (talk) 12 September 2023 [1].

Mckenna Grace edit

Nominator(s): Pamzeis (talk) 05:04, 9 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This article is about the girl who plays the younger version of every single white, blond actress (Margot Robbie, Kiernan Shipka, Brie Larson, the list goes on) and that creepy kid on Lifetime. At age 17, Mckenna Grace has over 70 credits, making her the most-credited child actor ever. She was nominated for a Primetime Emmy Award at 1615 and has impressive range (she played both Paige in Young Sheldon and Esther Keyes in The Handmaid's Tale). I began expanding this article in June, adding over 80K bytes. It became a GA after being reviewed by MyCatIsAChonk this month. Enjoy the article :) Pamzeis (talk) 05:04, 9 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

MyCatIsAChonk - Support edit

I'll do another review once some more experienced reviewers have left comments- I don't see any immediate issues. MyCatIsAChonk (talk) (not me) (also not me) (still no) 12:01, 9 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hiya, MyCatIsAChonk. Any updates on the review? Two other users have left comments and declared support. Obviously, it's completely fine if you'd prefer to wait longer/for more reviews. Pamzeis (talk) 07:00, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Pamzeis: Only one technical thing: "none" should be put in the ref parameters of the templates in ref 109 and 149. Otherwise, after another read, I find no problems in the prose! Excellent work! MyCatIsAChonk (talk) (not me) (also not me) (still no) 12:55, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I think I've done this, but I'm not entirely sure whether the way I did it is correct. Would you mind checking? Thanks.​ Pamzeis (talk) 13:22, 21 August 2023 (UTC) P.S. What does it do??[reply]
Support - All good now. Many editors who commonly use sfns (including myself) have User:Ucucha/HarvErrors installed, which displays an error message if a cite template has no sfns referring to it. Putting "none" in the ref parameter stops this error message from showing up. Just a small technical thing! MyCatIsAChonk (talk) (not me) (also not me) (still no) 13:55, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you so much! I'll keep that in mind for the future (I mean, if I remember, 'cuz, y'know...) Pamzeis (talk) 14:28, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comments edit

  • "She trained in cheer," - apologies if this is a trans-Atlantic language disconnect, but does this mean she did cheerleading? I didn't know "cheer" could be used as a noun in that context...........
    • I've never even been to the Western hemisphere lol, but I looked it up and apparently usage of "cheer" as a clipping for "cheerleading" is mostly limited to North America. I've changed it to "cheerleading" now.
      • In the United States, "cheer" is frequently used to mean cheerleading in the context of school (e.g., "She wants to cheer for the high school"), but I can see how it could be confusing. So "cheerleading" would be best to avoid confusion. Sundayclose (talk) 20:03, 8 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • " Grace booked her first part in a commercial at five years old" - saying "booked" here makes it sound like she literally arranged it herself, which I doubt very much if she was five. Maybe say that she "secured" or "gained" the part.
    • Done
  • "After Grace booked parts in" - as above
    • Done
  • "She reprised her role in show's second season" => "She reprised her role in the show's second season"
    • Done
  • "According to The New York Observer, the "terrific" Grace has her own " => "According to The New York Observer, the "terrific" Grace had her own "
    • Done
  • "making her tenth youngest actor nominated at the Emmys" => "making her the tenth youngest actor nominated at the Emmys"
    • Done
  • "the sequel to Ghostbusters (1984) and Ghostbuster II (1989)" => "the sequel to Ghostbusters (1984) and Ghostbusters II (1989)"
    • Done
  • "It is the first project produced by Grace's company, Beautiful Ghosts Productions" => "It was the first project produced by Grace's company, Beautiful Ghosts Productions"
    • Done
  • "a thriller film about a very close family is split apart by a new movement" => "a thriller film about a very close family split apart by a new movement"
    • Done
  • "As of 2021, she is vegetarian" => "As of 2021, she was vegetarian" (2021 was two years ago now, so present tense isn't really appropriate)
    • Done
  • "Grace was diagnosed with scoliosis at age 12" - wikilink scoliosis
    • It's already linked in "Music career", though this may be a case of IAR given its significance.
  • That's it, I think - great work!! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:47, 9 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks for your comments, ChrisTheDude (and apologies for some very silly mistakes!). I've responded to them above. Hope you're having a great week so far! Pamzeis (talk) 13:23, 9 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    • Support - awesome! Don't worry about wikilinking scoliosis a second time, it was my mistake missing the earlier linkage -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 13:25, 9 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
      Thank you so much! Pamzeis (talk) 13:40, 9 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Image review (pass) edit

  • Images are licensed appropriately, have alt text and succinct captions. Pseud 14 (talk) 18:44, 17 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    • This is supposed to be an encyclopedia, a clearer and more neutral facial expression (to help readers better identify how the subject of the article looks in general) would seem to be a more appropriate choice for an encyclopedia. I cannot believe the picture of her with a huge over the top grin managed to even pass Good article review. -- 109.77.198.20 (talk) 19:01, 27 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
      Hi, 109! I've replaced the image; do you think it's better? Thanks! Pamzeis (talk) 10:42, 29 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
      • My edit has been reverted so......... Pamzeis (talk) 01:59, 30 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Pseud 14 edit

  • Grace joined the cast of the drama film Gifted (2017).[23] The film tells the story of Mary Adler (Grace), an intellectually gifted seven-year-old. -- I think you can merge this into one sentence so film isn't repeated so close to each other Grace joined the cast of the drama film Gifted (2017), which tells the story of Mary Adler (Grace), an intellectually gifted seven-year-old.
    • Done
  • The film stars her as Emma Grossman, a girl who murders anyone who crosses her. -- I think She portrays Emma Grossman, a girl who murders anyone who crosses her reads much better.
    • Done
  • I, Tonya was well-received by reviewers, with particular praise for its performances -- perhaps it should specify if this is Grace's acting performance being praised or the casts' performance in general
    • Done
  • Grace's performances was praised -- should be performance since it appears to be reviews for Annabelle Comes Homes only
    • Silly typo; fixed
  • Four industry professionals predicted that she would win the award,[78] though this was ultimately not the case.[79] -- I don't think this necessary for inclusion. It's either she was nominated or she won (which is already stated in the preceding statement). For actor BLPs, industry predictions don't really add value to the article and can come across as an embellishment.
    • Removed
  • That's all from me. Great work on her article. Pseud 14 (talk) 15:58, 18 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks for your comments, Pseud 14. I've hopefully resolved them all. Lemme know if there's anything else. Pamzeis (talk) 04:20, 19 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Nice work here. Glad to see you back in the FAC space. Btw, if you have spare time or interest, I'm one prose review short for my FLC. Not to worry if things are busy. Pseud 14 (talk) 15:12, 19 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Thank you so much! My first thought to the "Glad to see you back in the FAC space" was "I haven't been gone that long!", but my last nomination was half a year ago and I haven't been reviewing that much, so :P. Congrats on Kyla (Filipino singer) as well! Pamzeis (talk) 01:56, 20 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Source review edit

Reviewing this version, spot-check upon request and qualifying that this isn't a topic I know very well. Is BuzzFeed a high-quality reliable source? From what I know post-2010 The Independent isn't necessarily reliable, either. I don't see much consistency in which sources apply the access icon (e.g #3) and which don't. Some sources have the publication date in parenthesis and others don't. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 09:19, 26 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Jo-Jo Eumerus! Thanks for the review! I've removed BuzzFeed from the article. The Independent is used for a statement of opinion quoted directly from the website. Per RSP, it "is considered a reliable source for non-specialist information", and there seemed to be consensus at the 2021 RfC that it was generally reliable (though the RfC only lasted three days so it's maybe not the best assessment). Regardless, I'm happy to remove the source if needed. In regards to the access icons, those signify whether one needs a subscription to access the source: none means no subscription required, grey means the reader can read a limited number of articles (whether that number is 3 or 20) before being required to pay, and red means the reader can not read the article without subscribing. About the publication dates in brackets, that really depends on the {{cite web}} template. If there's no publication date available it's not listed and if there's no author available, then it's listed after the work/publisher. I don't think I can change this bit because it's based in technical stuff that I don't understand. Again, thanks for the review :) Pamzeis (talk) 16:17, 26 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Jo-Jo. Is this one up to scratch? Gog the Mild (talk) 18:10, 3 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I think that the publication dates ought to be consistently formatted, myself. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 20:10, 3 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
They are consistently formatted from what I'm seeing? If the author does not exist, the date's placed after the publisher; if the author does, it is placed in brackets (as per Template:Cite web#Date). It's not like we're switching in between "name (date). "Title". Work. Access-date." and "name. "Title". Work. Date. Access-date." If that were to be adjusted, then {{cite web}}, which has been the WP:STATUSQUO for years, would have to go through a massive change that would probably require a long discussion that would be longer than the timeframe of an FAC. Thanks.​ Pamzeis (talk) 14:01, 4 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I can confirm that the publication dates format differently depending on whether author names are available or not. Nothing of concern there.--NØ 12:25, 5 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
OK, then this is a pass, with my caveats regarding spotchecks and familiarity. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 16:20, 5 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! Pamzeis (talk) 13:15, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]


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