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The Military history WikiProject Newsletter : Issue XXVII (May 2008)

The Military history WikiProject Newsletter Issue XXVII (May 2008)
Project news Editors needed for Tag & Assess 2008. To coincide with the summer holidays, it will be gearing up from 15 June. As usual, barnstars galore! Partner peer reviews: for a thirty-day trial period, we'll be running joint peer reviews with Wikiproject Video Games. The idea is simple: we help with their reviews; they help with ours. This way both wikiprojects benefit from new reviewers and new ideas! We're notable: A new book, Simon Fowler's 2007 Guide to Military History on the Internet (UK:Pen & Sword, ISBN 9781844156061) rates Wikipedia as "the best general resource" for military research (p. 7). Of the military pages, he says: "The results are largely accurate and generally free of bias" (he also suggests people join the wikiproject). When rating WP as the No. 1 military site (p. 201) he says "Wikipedia is often criticised for its inaccuracy and bias, but in my experience the military history articles are spot on." A-Class reviews: the usual four-day review period may now be extended by up to three days (ie seven days in total) in the following circumstances: the article has no opposes but has insufficient support for promotion or the article's nominator requests more time to resolve matters arising during the review. The full text is here. The special projects department has opened. It will focus on specific ad-hoc high-priority tasks and implement them with informal, short-term groups of editors. The Contest department has completed its fourteenth month of competition, which saw 16 entries. The top scorer this month is Cam with 21 points, followed by Redmarkviolinist with 11 points. Woody, Dreamafter, Kyriakos, Nousernamesleft and Outdawg also fielded entries. Blnguyen remains the overall leader, with 188 points in total. You are encouraged to submit articles you're working on as entries.	Articles of note New featured articles: Battle of Tassafaronga Funerary Monument to Sir John Hawkwood HMS Cardiff (D108) Krulak Mendenhall mission Le Quang Tung Operation Passage to Freedom Paul Nobuo Tatsuguchi New featured lists: List of Texan survivors of the Battle of the Alamo List of Victoria Cross recipients of the Royal Navy List of Victoria Cross recipients of the Indian Army New A-Class articles: Battle of the Kalka River Battle of Verrières Ridge Brian Horrocks Byzantine navy Erich Hartmann Montana class battleship
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Happy Birthday

	Happy Birthday	from the Birthday Committee
	Wishing YellowMonkey a very happy birthday on behalf of the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! Don't forget to save us all a piece of cake!

Idontknow610^TM 19:12, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, Blnguyen (bananabucket) 06:48, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Many happy returns of the day and many more FA's. Dineshkannambadi (talk) 19:34, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Thankyou and to you to. I see that KLitVE has just passed. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 06:48, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

A very belated wish!! Enjoy! - KnowledgeHegemonyPart2 (talk) 07:50, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

FUN FUN ANIMALS! Oh wow, it's today! Please accept besh wishes, some bananas and a cake from the old fart (me)! PrinceGloria (talk)

Thankyou your highness. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 06:48, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Invincibles - Ron Saggers

Hi Blnguyen. One of the Invincibles—Ron Saggers—has been reviewed at Talk:Ron Saggers/GA1. Peanut4 is looking for information on life outside cricket and anything you may have would be much appreciated. Cheers, Mattinbgn\^talk 00:20, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

This again....It's not that importnat in my opinion, but no I don't have anything. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 02:48, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, I don't think the reviewer deemed it essential, just desirable if it could be found. Cheers, Mattinbgn\^talk 03:01, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Proposed decision - Footnoted Quotes

Please note that a Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Footnoted_quotes/Proposed_decision#Use_of_quotes_in_footnotes_2 has been proposed and may need your vote in terms of choice. Ncmvocalist (talk) 04:01, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Request for Arbitration

There is a bit of a problem over at the sub-Saharan Africa page. One editor keeps insisting on juxtaposing the term "Black Africa" with the term "sub-Saharan Africa" in the text. I've explained to him on the history page that he cannot do that because it gives people the impression that everyone beneath the Sahara is black when of course they are not. There are white South Africans, Indian Kenyans, Lebanese Ivorians, Ethiopians, Mauritanians, entire mixed tribes in the Gabon, etc. that are just as African as any native Black person. This is akin to someone insisting on juxtaposing the term "White Europe" beside the more standard, non-racialized geographical term "Europe" irrespective of the different racial groups that also live there. I added that the two terms are therefore not equivalent; "Black Africa" is a racial term whereas "sub-Saharan Africa" is a geographical term. However, this editor claims that they are and keeps reverting my edits. The sub-Saharan Africa page also has a history of people like this Wiki editor constantly trying to insert Afrocentric materials into the text (here's a typical quote from one of the main offenders, taken directly from the talk page: "Stop the pathology in trying to restrict the Black African. It is an ingrain Western tradition."). Some time back, someone added a quote from and external links pointing to an article hosted on an Afrocentric website that spoke of Europeans disparagingly. I had to personally remove the links, and explain that Wikipedia is no place for the promulgation of extreme idealogies. There was a big row over this same "Black Africa" issue a while ago, before it was finally decided that sub-Saharan Africa is a geographical term and not synonymous with Black Africa. Now, all this time later, this Wiki user callously disregards the will of the editors that preceded him, and attempts to single-handedly impose on the world his own personal definition of just what sub-Saharan Africa means. I've just removed the unsourced reference to "Black Africa" one last time. However, I have no doubt my edit will be reverted soon. Can you please monitor the page and explain to the editor that he cannot just do as he pleases? I think arbitration might be the only thing that solves this problem once and for all. 74.12.222.131 (talk) 08:33, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Can I ask what your real account is? Blnguyen (bananabucket) 03:29, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Page move

Hi! Could you possibly move Ingrid Rivera to Ingrid Marie Rivera (over a redirect). Per WP:NAMES the most commonly used name should be the title of the article, and Ingrid Marie Rivera has 34,600 ghits to Ingrid Rivera's 18,700. Cheers. PageantUpdater talk • contribs 09:08, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Done, Blnguyen (bananabucket) 03:29, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Happy Admin Day Blnguyen

Wishing YellowMonkey/Archive86 a very happy adminship anniversary on behalf of the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! RobNS 03:38, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Best wishes from Canada   ;-)   --RobNS 03:38, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Wishing YellowMonkey/Archive86 a very happy adminship anniversary on behalf of the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! Have a great day! RyRy5 (talk) 06:55, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Hello again. I hope your doing well. Happy Adminship Anniversary! Regards, RyRy5 (talk) 06:55, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Block of AlborzTaha

Hi, I noticed you recently blocked user:Tim Abbot and user:AlborzTaha for sockpuppetry (again). I was getting ready to bring a case against Tim Abbot, but I didn't know who the puppetmaster was. Did someone else start a case that I missed? Thanks, // Chris ^{(complaints)•(contribs)} 17:02, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes a direct hit. Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/AlborzTaha. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 10:27, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

QCQ images

OK, I've sent the email regarding the images. We'll take it from there. I'll keep you informed :) Cheers, Daniel (talk) 02:53, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, Blnguyen (bananabucket) 02:03, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Your user page is awesome!

Nuff said.--Pericles of Athens^Talk 03:25, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Would you take a look?

Gift is advance

A peer review on Pather Panchali is ongoing, and a bit of problem with peacock words and encyclopedic tone has been identified. Much of it has been solved by Dwaipayan, but there may still be some problems left in that area. Can you manage some time to take a look and comment? The article has been assessed as a core article for WikiProject Films and top-importance article for the Indian cinema task force. Please? Aditya^{(talk • contribs)} 15:44, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Please, dear, take a look. I would too, but I am confident that I am requesting someone who knows more about these kind of stuff than I do. You don't have to make the changes yourself, if you don't feel. But, a comment identifying some instances would be very nice. Aditya^{(talk • contribs)} 04:05, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure it would be received well so it might fall on deaf ears. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 07:52, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

TFA C/U

Blnguyen, Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Jokeshow has been languishing for days, and a clerk just moved it to completed, not noticing that the additional party hadn't yet been addressed. I'm traveling tomorrow, and would like to get that resolved; would you have time to look at it? It's the additional party added after Thatcher found something "weirdly" unrelated (whatever that means). Best, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 13:20, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes, thanks Blnguyen, the work has been done for now, but if you don't mind keeping an eye on it and the article over the next few days, I'd appreciate it. I'm going to be traveling, what's going on over there doesn't feel right, and it's taking reviewer time away from FAC (Laser brain (talk · contribs)). Best, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:39, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Disruption at West Bengal

Hi Blnguyen, can you please take a look at the FA West Bengal? A user Radar signal (talk · contribs) is consistently adding a redundant section into the article, and wants to have his POV. Despite repeated requests from other editors, this user has not stopped, and now is repeating the same behavior across multiple articles using his anon IPs. s/he also resorted to personal attacks (calling other users, including myself and you, as vandals). Such behavior is causing major disruption at this FA. Thanks. --Ragib (talk) 09:31, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Not sure what admin things I am supposed to that you can't seeing as we have both been reverting. I'll continue dealing with regressive edits with the usual technique of removing them. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 03:48, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Ngo Dinh Diem presidential visit to Australia

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--BorgQueen (talk) 11:22, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Commercial Import Program

On 29 May, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Commercial Import Program, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--BorgQueen (talk) 17:22, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Bot approved: dabbing help needed

Hi there. Fritz bot has been approved at Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/FritzpollBot for filling in a possible 1.8 million articles on settlements across the world. Now dabbing needs to be done for links which aren't sorted as the bot will bypass any blue links. and I need as many people as possible to help me with Wikipedia:WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles/Places to prepare for the bot. If you could tackle a page or two everything counts as it will be hard to do it alone. PLease also pass on the message to anybody else who you may think might be willing to help. Thankyou ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ ^$1,000,000? 12:25, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Noted, I'll chip in. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 03:48, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Miss Universe 2008 and User:Kaiwhakahaere

Hi! Sorry to bother you but there is a problem getting out of hand at Miss Universe 2008 -- mainly regarding the references. One particular issue is about the Icelandic reference: http://horn.is/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1045&Itemid=14. As no English reference is available for the Icelandic delegate, I have chosen to use it per WP:VUE which states that a foreign-language reference can be used if there is no equivalent English reference. User:Kaiwhakahaere, the same editor I had problems with before, is revert warring this, ignoring the numerous times I have pointed out the policy. He claims that I removed a perfectly valid reference, but in my opinion and also the opinion of User:Seresin (who I have also consulted on this issue) that is not a reliable source. Kaiwhakahaere is also on the verge of violating WP:AGF & WP:CIVIL. Can you possibly look at what he's been saying. Can anything be done to make him stop? Its all quite perplexing because in the past I've counted on this editor to keep the Miss Universe 2008 article up to scratch and whilst we'd never been in contact before now I've always considered him to be level headed and helpful. Cheers. PageantUpdater talk • contribs 09:23, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

I've noted this and the fact that he is blocked. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 03:48, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

20th Engineers

I should say that if the copyvio protect was based on what I said, I only suspect it is a copyvio judging by the tone and the tell tale [X] footnotes that appear. I didn't do any digging etc to double check. Narson (talk) 13:30, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Noted. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 03:48, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Why did you revert my edits??

I listed her under Lebanese Muslims, which she is!!

Not sure which one you were referring to and I presume you were the one who added it to Nasrallah as well, I removed it because they were already in the "L Sunni/Shia M" cats. These are subcats of "L M" so there is no need to add teh supercat when it is already a subset, per WP's categorisation policy. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 08:17, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Why do you keep reverting these edits?

I understand that some Lebanese are listed under Shiite Muslim while others are under Sunni Muslims, but I think there should be a category for Muslims in general. Just like there is a category for American Christians and one for American Catholics!

Not sure which one you were referring to and I presume you were the one who added it to Nasrallah as well, I removed it because they were already in the "L Sunni/Shia M" cats. These are subcats of "L M" so there is no need to add teh supercat when it is already a subset, per WP's categorisation policy. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 08:17, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Isis Gee hater

Dear Blnguyen,

Thank you for spending a few moments of your precious time to look into the regrettable Isis Gee debacle. I am afraid, though, the user is not very concerned with abiding to Wikipedia policies and guidelines, nor living well with the Wikipedia community and repeatedly breaches the usual rules of conduct. I am not sure if this constitues something one can be blocked for, but if you could once again look into what is happening and see if a warning from an admin could not be out of place, I would be most obliged.

Kind regards,

PrinceGloria (talk) 08:41, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Well he has violated 3RR and has been blocked. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 02:03, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

In the below article ISIS GEE was found to have used sockpuppets to support her PR speel and manipulate the site. I have rewritten the article removing obvious PR comments. PrinceGloria has made no constructive edits, only removed sourced material that was not positive. PrinceGloria has also mis-translated my sources on the talk page.

http://www.pudelek.pl/artykul/4550/to_juz_pewne_isis_gee_nie_jest_zadna_gwiazda/

Eurovisionman (talk) 20:19, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Eurovisionman has been using a different source for the first time. PrinceGloria (talk) 20:29, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

What's this saying? Blnguyen (bananabucket) 02:03, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Pardon? I am not sure what you're asking about, but now I see English left me when I was writing that... I meant Eurovisionman put a different link as a source originally and tried to use it as a source for rather different piece of writing... Anyway, you can find everything in the page history - and Eurovisionman has been blocked, albeit only for 24 hours, so you might want to take a look into it on Saturday, as I believe we are at risk of more attacks just before the final... PrinceGloria (talk) 08:31, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

She came last!!!! I thought France was worse.... Blnguyen (bananabucket) 06:48, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

At least she made it to the finals, unlike previous Polish contestants (a much-overlooked fact). Our diaspora is still far too small and not disciplined enough :D Anyhoo, France wasn't that bad, IMHO - but the likes of Armenia, Azerbaijan, Latvia and Spain were much worse than Isis Gee, IMHO. And certainly Dima didn't have anything to offer ("impaseeebyyyyl") beyond Isis.

Portugal, Norway, Romania or Switzerland should've won this year. Shame shame... PrinceGloria (talk) 08:38, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

It's very sad that the superpowers of Eurovision (Ireland) have taken to doing prank entries because they were never able to compete with the block vote even when they had a quality singer (Brian Kennedy). Dima was ok not that great, but his backup was far superior to the rest with the Olympic figureskater and proper violinist. Kalomoira and Ani Lorak didn't offer anything to anyone except legs. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 03:29, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks!

Hi Blnguyen, thanks for revising the status of my 3RR nomination! :-) --Deepak D'Souza (talk • contribs) 08:52, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Also his socks have been blocked. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 03:48, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Vinh Trang Temple

On 31 May, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Vinh Trang Temple, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--BorgQueen (talk) 19:24, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Buu Phong Temple

On 1 June, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Buu Phong Temple, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--BorgQueen (talk) 14:34, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Question

[1] - I see you unblocked PageantUpdater. Despite the other user(s) additions being against WP:V, PU still did violate 3RR. We don't unblock because one user is "right" and the other is "wrong". Will you be willing to reinstate the block? Scarian^{Call me NANCY!} 12:00, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

It's a bit late and irrelevant now. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 07:52, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Re:Thanks

That was a little while ago, but your welcome. --RyRy5 (talk) 07:56, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Retraction of a charge against Dana Ullman (the homeopathy case)

Thank you for participating in the Arb case on homeopathy, even though you have voted for banning me for a year.

Sam Blacketer also voted for this one-year ban, and in doing so, he noted serious problems from one of my seemingly erroneous edit summaries.[2] However, FT2 alerted him that my edit summaries were accurate,[3], and Sam retracted his statement. Further, PhilKnight showed good faith in retracting these same charges that he had on the Evidence page. However, because Sam felt strongly enough about the seemingly erroneous edit summary that he made a comment about them, I asked Phil if he would contact the Arb committee members who have voted in case this (false) charge influenced your opinion. [4] Instead, he has suggested that I do so. [5] If, by chance, you too were influenced by the charge of bad faith summary edits, please note that this has been proven to be inaccurate.

Finally, although I have made some errors on wikipedia, I do not feel that they are serious enough to warrant the proposed one-year ban. Due to limited space, I am unable to reply to the many other erroneous charges against me, and I therefore ask if Arb committee members have any specific questions or concerns about my participation here for which they want my reply, I urge you to simply pose these questions or concerns before placing your final vote. DanaUllman^Talk 16:25, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Noted, Blnguyen (bananabucket) 02:03, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Bradman

Please chip in at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Cricket#Is_this_POV:_Bradman_is_.22generally_acknowledged_as_the_greatest_batsman_of_all_time.22.3F --Dweller (talk) 13:08, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Sure. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 02:19, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Puh-leeeeeeze. --Dweller (talk) 13:29, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

done. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 07:28, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thank you very much for the barnstar. It looks as if you've made a much greater contribution than I, though. Although I've got 10 featured articles under my belt, your number of FAs dwarfs mine! Incredible. Keep up the good work! Or should I say, featured work. Lol. Take care.

Eric--Pericles of Athens^Talk 13:35, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Arb Com proposal

I am startled by the proposal for a sourcing arbitration board--please see my reply to Kiril on my talk page, where I've begun my discussion. I will be discussing it further of course somewhere in the arb com structure --probably the workshop page-- & probably elsewhere. Had you confined it to the immediate question presented by the Homeopathy articles, it would have had some justification. Please reconsider. DGG (talk) 03:09, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Kulwicki FAC

I have the Alan Kulwicki article at FAC, and an editor asked for a copyedit peer review for the article from a non-NASCAR racing fan. I have changed a lot during the FAC process since a lot of the references were deemed unreliable/unusable. Would you please copyedit the article and point out the flaws (nickpick)? I'm not asking for you to votestack for the article, just an honest copyedit. It's up to you if you want to vote or not. Thanks! Royalbroil 13:10, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Nevermind. It failed and I have no clue why. I wasted an incredible amount of time. I doubt I'll make that mistake again. Royalbroil 04:46, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Because FAC needs consensus to promote, a lack of interest results in the application being closed. But you're doing great. If Tony didn't oppose you, then you're doing better than most FACs and even some FACs that were passed. My first successful FAC was pilloried by Tony Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Ian Thorpe, but it passed anyway and I have found the MOS and 1a a lot easier since then anyway. It just seems that nobody seems to care about the topic and FA at the same time. You should ask some of the FAC guys on F1 to have a look like Mark83 (talk · contribs), 4ule (talk · contribs) etc. When nobody expresses interest, you can just re-open it without any cost to you and likely you are almost there anyway. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 03:48, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for responding to me when I was crying like a baby. I was real turned off on FA for a while, but time has calmed me and I started on a different article for GA. I was coming back now to ask you for guidance/mentorship/thoughts with what went wrong since my GA/FA mentor 4u1e is very inactive at this time, but you answered my questions. I had around 15 - 20 on-wiki and off-wiki people look over the article before FAC, including 4u1e. I'll ask Mark83 for a review. I was quite surprised that Tony didn't rip up the article. I learned very much about articles in the process, so that's a very good thing. I never could have anticipated many of the things that were brought up. I can't believe that a FA would take up so much time. It will take me very much less time (months) in the future because I learned many things to avoid and what type of references are appropriate to use. Thanks! Royalbroil 02:35, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

The Motorsport guys seem to have a policy of refusing to vote for themselves, which handicaps them quite a lot if they will only find errors but never support. With most Wikiprojectsit is the opposite and tons of tripe gets through. I can think of one Wikiproject with a 95% self-supporting ratio - more than 200, maybe even 300 votes cast. Whereas among outside observers the supporting % is much less. But the articles pass anyway. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 07:52, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your advice! Should I have left talk page messages for the contributors after I addressed their issues? Some came back to see if their concerns were addressed, but some didn't.

You make a good point about Motorsport contributors not supporting. They definitely should be supporting, especially considering that aren't members of WikiProject NASCAR and only have a tangential relationship with the topic as member of a motorsport WikiProject. Royalbroil 16:31, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Oh, you should definitely ask them to come back and have a look! Blnguyen (bananabucket) 07:29, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Sreesanth

• You're a great editor and all, but why is there a full pointless image of Harbhajan Singh on Sreesanth's page. It has no significance, if you want to include the Turbanator, please get an image of the two having a face-off or Santh's reactions after the slap.

Cheers.

Universal Hero (talk) 22:51, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Well, obviously the latter is more preferable but it doesn't correspond with WP's copyright policy. It would not pass WP:FUC#8 either with the "significantly adds to understanding" because it would just be a guy crying and shaking hands at the media conference and this is easy to visualise. Obviously Harbhajan is 50% of that paragraph's subject. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 03:48, 2 June 2008 (UTC)