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Sir Robert Bell

I see what you mean. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 21:32, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Removing comments

Pleas don't remove comments from my talk page. I understand why but others may get the wrong idea. Thanks. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 00:42, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Esquire

Hello! Just to say, I'm sure we can reach consensus on this page, we don't seem far apart judging from your latest comments on the Talk page, so shall we be optimists and quit reverting for the moment? And just edit towards a consensus? I would like that! And, by the way, as I've said on the talk page, I'm mindful of WP:3RR which I'm sure you will be too. Very best wishes, Chelseaboy 11:38, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

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Arms of Sir Robert Bell

This is the real medieval heraldry of the Trinity

This image is not a "logo", it's a coat of arms... Anyway, if you were the one who added it to the Trinity page, then it really has rather little direct relationship to the doctrine of the Trinity -- they are "canting" arms on the name "Bell". AnonMoos 05:23, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Again

Dude, if you're user IP 71.101.81.158, then there a million coat of arms with fleurs-de-lis, and we can't include them all on the grounds that the Fleurs-de-lis is one (rather minor) symbol of the Trinity -- especially since in this image the fleur-de-lis isn't even a part of the coat of arms, but rather is a minor and inconspicuous decoration of the surrounding frame! AnonMoos 05:53, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Ter

Dude, you just deleted the copyright tag -- now it ain't got one. Anyway, the laws regarding copyright are more relevant than the laws regarding heraldry in this case... AnonMoos 06:24, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Quater

Dude, why did you reupload the version which has a lot of surrounding black blank space which does absolutely nothing except increase image download time and degrade image display?? Maybe you should cut down on your involvement in the Wikipedia thing, until you start to get the hang of it a little bit better... AnonMoos 06:28, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Quinquies

Dude, why are you adding a zillion blank lines back into the Robert Bell article?? You may think that you're optimizing the article's appearance, but it probably only works the same way for people who are using the exact same browser version, window size, and Wikipedia skin as you are -- and there are probably better ways of doing what you're trying to do... AnonMoos 06:39, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Bennu

OK, thanks for starting to respond to something. Bennu birds are nice, but what do they have to do with the Trinity? And the version of the image I uploaded wasn't "distorted" -- rather, Wikimedia software told your browser to display the THUMBNAIL of the image at approximate 1 width to 2 height aspect ratio (appropriate to the revised version I uploaded), but you had an old thumbnail in your cache with an approximate 1 width to 1 height aspect ratio, and it was this old cached thumbnail which ended up getting "distorted". The image would not display distorted to people without such cached versions (i.e. who had not viewed the article recently), or if you had viewed the "High resolution" version. Such temporary cache disparities are an unavoidable part of the process of uploading new versions of images to Wikipedia. AnonMoos 06:53, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

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Image the Arms of Sir Robert Bell

Can you give me links to the images you want deleted and which you want to keep. Also links to where the image is being used so I can check out the size problem. Cheers. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 10:24, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

I deleted what I think was the right image here. However for some reason the link you gave me still shows the image. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 11:11, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

I'll look around and see if I can find it. Cheers. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 11:22, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

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Richard "Fillsack" Sackville. I'm going to guess that that is not in line with Wikipedia:Naming conventions (people). You might want to consider a page move, or a good explanation in the article. Bottom line, if he is not universally & always known by the name you have given him, then the name must change. --Tagishsimon (talk) 15:34, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

I am afraid that you are mistaken. It is true that I have added the current articles content, however, just to be clear, I must inform you that I did not create the page title. Wales 15:47, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm perhaps being misled by the revision history for the article. --Tagishsimon (talk) 15:52, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Just to confirm, in fact, yes you were. Richard Sackville [1] Wales 23:50, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

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Electro Magnetic Evolution of DNA

I like the image, Electro Magnetic Evolution of DNA, you uploaded. It is a very interesting work or art that I'd welcome on an external web site but I think it is too complex and insufficiently diagrammatic for use as an illustration of concepts or theories on Wikipedia (perhaps because the concepts behind it are too complex to capture in a single image). Continuing to push for its inclusion in Wikipedia articles is likely to be quite strongly resisted. Jojalozzo 20:37, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

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I noticed that you uploaded the file, The-Arms-of-Sir-Robert-Bell.jpg, stating that you had permission from the copyright holder (vandaimages.com). I sent them an email asking about that and they responded that "We do not generally give permission for our images to be used on Wikipedia, so it is unlikely that we have given permission for the author of this article to use the image in this way." Please post any records you have of their granting us permission to use the image as soon as possible to avoid deletion of the file. Thanks. Jojalozzo 18:54, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

I am afraid you have been generally misinformed, no doubt, unintentionally. I would be delighted to furnish the contact details for the appropriate party and contact point so that either you or any Wikipedia Administrator can further police the issue. Please contact me directly at the following email created for this matter. Thank you. jojalozzo@live.com Wales (talk) 14:59, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I was only able to get a general response. Specific information will be helpful. Jojalozzo 16:14, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Please send me the attachment to the email you received from [name redacted] in 2006. Thanks. Jojalozzo 18:17, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Also please provide all documentation of permission for another image you have uploaded that originated at vandaimages.com, File:Arms of Sir Robert Bell Knight Lord Chief Baron of the Exchequer copy.jpg. Jojalozzo 19:25, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

I believe it was made clear that you should contact the relevant party directly in order to verify the permissions you seek. You could also have that party contact me directly, regarding any attachments that you believe you are entitled to, as I will not compromise the integrity of any confidentiality notice, in the fashion that you have attached to the email I sent to you- which Reads: [You are hereby informed that this E-mail message is proprietary and confidential. THIS E-MAIL MESSAGE, AND ANY ATTACHMENTS CONTAINED HEREIN, IS INTENDED WITH SPECIFIC ATTENTION FOR USE BY THE RECIPIENT (S) FOR WHICH IT IS ADDRESSED. AS THE DESIGNATED RECIPIENT (S) OR UNINTENDED RECIPIENT, YOU ARE HEREBY PROHIBITED FROM ANY DISCUSSION, DISSEMINATION, REPRODUCTION, DISCLOSURE, DISPLAY, TRANSMITTAL OR COPYING OF THIS E-MAIL MESSAGE IN ANY MEDIUM, WHETHER ELECTRONIC OR OTHER. ANY THIRD PARTY DISCLOSURE IS STRICTLY PROHIBITED. IF YOU HAVE RECEIVED THIS E-MAIL MESSAGE IN ERROR, YOU ARE HEREBY INSTRUCTED TO REPLY TO SENDER AND DELETE AS ACCORDED BY LAW.] Wales (talk) 19:46, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

The email address you sent me is not valid. My request for information was returned "No such recipient". Since it appears impossible to obtain clear permission for free use of these images, I will nominate them for deletion. Jojalozzo 20:01, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Following the submittal of the contact information you had requested via email (with confidentiality notice attached) I additionally forwarded a correspondence to the party for which you claim came back "No such recipient". No such notice has appeared on my email account, so it might prove a possible remedy to carefully address your message and resend it. Alternatively you could approach V&A Images, and inquire further details about whom to consult with, conduct your due diligence, and if warranted have them contact me directly, in the event that there is a dispute, or the contact information you were furnished has expired. In which case, I would be happy to let them have copies of the previous permissions and correspondences (with confidentiality notice attached) so that they can appropriately reciprocate the details with you. Given the nature of copyright law, namely the Berne Convention, permission was sought to incorporate the images within the article, rather than permitting their inclusion based merely on U.S copyright law. Additional permissions were requested for use of certain portraits within the article with the National Portrait Gallery (NPG, London), however permission was not granted and therefore the images were not included. Honoring their copyright demonstrates a degree of cultural respect, given it would be permissible to use the images under the umbrella of U.S copyright law. The fact that you have, to date, not been successful with your attempts with verification, does not mean that the permission to use the intellectual property was not granted or that the permissions are not clear. I note that you have made further deletions to the article based on non-verifiable information, and question the methods you have employed to make such claims? Perhaps, but not necessarily the case with your former attempts, the contact details have changed with time. More importantly, not honoring or not laboring to conduct ones actions within the framework of the law, regarding confidentiality notices is just not prudent. Perhaps the information is confidential, or the recipients would rather remain private or rather completely anonymous, and not posted here on Wikipedia. In some cases such violations have resulted in law suits on claims of damages. Regardless of the permission with V&A the images could remain here based on the following, however, for what its worth, I would nominate them for deletion if they were to remain solely based on this merit alone. U.S Copyright Law RE: The "Darnley Portrait" "While Commons policy accepts the use of this media, one or more third parties have made copyright claims against Wikimedia Commons in relation to the work from which this is sourced or a purely mechanical reproduction thereof. This may be due to recognition of the "sweat of the brow" doctrine, allowing works to be eligible for protection through skill and labour, and not purely by originality as is the case in the United States (where this website is hosted). These claims may or may not be valid in all jurisdictions.

As such, use of this image in the jurisdiction of the claimant or other countries may be regarded as copyright infringement. Please see Commons:When to use the PD-Art tag for more information.

See User:Dcoetzee/NPG legal threat for more information." Wales (talk) 01:01, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Do whatever you can to document the free use permissions. I'd like to keep these images but we need to have documented permission. Private correspondence that leaves Wikipedia out of the loop is insufficient. Please leave a link to "User:Dcoetzee/NPG legal threat". Thanks. Jojalozzo 01:31, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

In this case, all points being considered, I present no objection from the heraldic images being removed from Wikipedia, aside from the fact that the low resolution images were approved and sanctioned for use here by the V&A, London. Should you wish or desire the images to remain, pursuing the remedy I proposed would be in order to document the free permissions. I hope you find this information helpful. Regards. Wales (talk) 02:01, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Good news! It appears that a photo of old 2D art isn't considered a copyright-able work on Wikipedia, so we can continue to use it and the other files you've uploaded. I think it might be a good idea to remove your more confusing explanation of rights and leave the simpler explanation that is there. This is an excellent outcome. Jojalozzo 04:34, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Possibly unfree File:The-Arms-of-Sir-Robert-Bell.jpg

A file that you uploaded or altered, File:The-Arms-of-Sir-Robert-Bell.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Possibly unfree files because its copyright status is unclear or disputed. If the file's copyright status cannot be verified, it may be deleted. You may find more information on the file description page. You are welcome to add comments to its entry at the discussion if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. Jojalozzo 20:11, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

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January 2013

Do not add personal information about other contributors to Wikipedia. Wikipedia operates on the principle that every contributor has the right to remain completely anonymous. Posting personal information about a user is strictly prohibited under Wikipedia's harassment policy. Wikipedia policy on this issue is strictly enforced and your edits have been reverted or removed, not least because such information can appear on web searches. Wikipedia's privacy policy is there to protect the privacy of every user, including you. Persistently adding personal information about other contributors may result in you being blocked from editing. Snowolf ^{How can I help?} 22:20, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

It would be equally beneficial and appreciated if the confidential details that Joja posted regarding the contact information that was submitted to Joja via email and was extracted from said email and posted on Wikipedia can be deleted or removed. I can of course, if necessary, forward the appropriate party the evidence of this. Thank you. Wales (talk) 01:28, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

You are free to contact the oversighters thru Special:EmailUser/Oversight or by emailing oversight-en-wpwikipedia.org. Snowolf ^{How can I help?} 04:12, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Thank You. Wales (talk) 16:04, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Removal of Images RE: copyright

I the up-loader upon careful consideration, find that a copyright conflict exists with the following images. Please delete them as a courtesy as deemed necessary and proper. File:Reneld Elstrack Elizabeth I Opens Parliament Robert Bell Prolocutor.JPG File:Beaupre Hall 19230004 copy.jpg File:Beaupre Hall 19230013 copy.jpg File:Beaupre Hall 19230001 copy.jpg File:Beaupre Hall 19230002 copy.jpg

All done except for File:Beaupre Hall 19230004 copy.jpg; the current version of this file was actually uploaded by Rob, so I can't delete it under G7 as I have with the others. If you still believe there is a copyright issue, please ping me with the details and I'll follow through accordingly. Cheers, Yunshui 雲‍水 06:51, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for your help. I believe the same premise would apply with the removal of the image, File:Beaupre Hall 19230004 copy.jpg; uploaded by Rob even though it was touched up, cropped, and slightly modified. Nothing materially was created, and I believe the copyright holder would have to agree with any permissions for the image to appear, here on Wikipedia. In this case. Christopher Hussey and or Country life Magazine, a Time Warner subsidiarity. Thank you again for your time and attention to this matter. Kind Regards. Wales (talk) 05:46, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

It appears I failed to list one other image for deletion. Please delete this image. Thank you. Cheers, Wales (talk) 23:55, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

 Done All the best, Miniapolis 13:11, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

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