Hey, thanks for posting all of those stubs up at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chinese prisons by Sarcelles, unfortunately mob rule has spoken, with people who have no idea on the subject matter voting for "keep". I can see now why you've decide on leaving Wikipedia. Abstrakt 01:58, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
In my humble opinion an IQ check would be strongly needed for those voting for deletion in the future.
Abstrakt 04:29, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
Haha its very good... esp the stuff about the Lees. --Sumple 23:46, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
LOL I really really love the bio. Exactly the sort of eccentric thing I would do, except that you did it first so I can't steal the idea any more. (Damn you!!) =D -- ran (talk) 02:21, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
Very humorous use of wenyan! BlueShirts 23:03, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
Okay I'll go ahead and nominate it, hope it passes! BlueShirts 00:54, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
lol that sp error was way too funny BlueShirts 00:54, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
why not such a high chance? BlueShirts 01:01, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
but the article is way cooler than any candidates I just skimmed through :) BlueShirts 01:04, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
Hiya Mib, do you know how many votes does a FAC nees to have to be promoted? I'm not surprised to see that so far we're the only two votes, while some inane article on bulbasaur has like thirty votes. Wikipedia has really serious systematic bias. BlueShirts 23:10, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
from here? [1]BlueShirts 02:01, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
I think we should be able to use it as fair use. I don't believe it is copyrighted or anything. BlueShirts 05:11, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
That's great man, yeahhah!! BlueShirts 00:10, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
I just nominated the article to be featured on the main page here. BlueShirts 00:30, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
what number? BlueShirts 01:02, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
lol this is crazy. I thought whatever software wikipedia uses automatically assigned numbers. BlueShirts 01:05, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
how do I fix that? What endnote template to use? BlueShirts 01:10, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
cool thanx! BlueShirts 04:42, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
Hi, you marked this as a copyright violation a few months ago but I find nothing relevant (or indeed even in English!) on the source site. Could you explain what happened there? --Tony Sidaway|Talk 02:27, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
The Military history WikiProject is currently holding elections for project coordinators. Any member of the project may nominate themselves and all are encouraged to vote here.
The elections will run until February 5.
But you already know...I'll just leave now =D --Loopye 04:43, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
Hi Miborovsky, I wonder if you are interested to vote for or to nominate new articles for the Singapore Collaboration of the Fortnight. Hopefully, we can get the collaborative effort running, thanks. --Vsion 23:35, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
You'll probably want to expand on the fair use rationale somewhat; good things to include would be what the image actually is and why it would be difficult to find a free-license one to replace it. —Kirill Lokshin 14:25, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
Hi Miborovsky, a Happy Chinese New Year. 新年快乐，万事如意，身体健康，学业进步。Wish you a happy and prosperous new year. --Terence Ong (恭喜发财) 17:19, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
Thank you! Never expected to be awarded for something to do with the ROC! Just so that my compatriots don't mistake me for some stinking pro-Taiwanese sellout, I've taken the liberty to disambiguate it. Hope you don't mind! -- МиборовскийU|T|C|M|E|Chugoku Banzai! 00:56, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
After watching the video, could you give me some advice on how to make screen-shot images so that it can be usable on Wiki? This way we could make further modifications on the image.
2. Also I'd like to share with you my opinion about that incident. You might have read many books about Falun Gong. Please let me know if you find somewhere where instruct people to commit suicides. On the contrary, it's said in the books that killing is forbidden, and suicide is a sin. If Falun gong instructs people to suicide, then how many suicide cases there would be in US,or other places in the world? But have we heard of any? Several years ago, there were several women(one in Texas) killed their kids saying they followed the instruction of God. Then it's the Christianity to blame about the killing? If a teacher teaches the students not to kill, but afterwards the student commits suicide. Then is it the teacher who is responsible?
No offense, just a little communication. We may have different opinions on some thing, but I respect your way of thinking. Please let me know your advice or opinion. Appreciate your time.
Happy Chinese new year!
(Frankly, when seeing your name the first time, I thought you were a Russian. ) --FarisLearner
Hello there. I am not interested in FLG philosophical debate. Sorry. As for the video, I assume they are the same as the footageanalysis picture? If so, it still is copyright of CCTV (even with modification and packaging by the FLG website), so you'd have to get permission from CCTV to use these images on Wiki. Which I doubt they'll agree to. For making screenshots, just use the printscreen button on your keyboard and pasting it to Photoshop. -- МиборовскийU|T|C|M|E|Chugoku Banzai! 20:57, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
Appreciate your reply, Miborovsky. I noticed there's license notice under the image file about copy right image useage. According to that notice, the image file is considered to be usable at wiki. I checked the wiki guideline about copyrighted images at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Fair_use#Images . My understanding is even if a image is used without permissions from the copyright holder, as long as its usage is non-commerical, informational, of the purpose of critical commentary, the usage is called fair use and listed as a guideline at Wiki. Could you help me clarify this? Thanks in advance. --FarisLearner
A few problems I can see:
It's a video not an image, even if it is in gif format. Gif is not recommended for videos on Wikipedia.
As the section "Film and television stills" says, "For critical commentary and discussion of cinematic and televisual history." I don't think this video/image falls under a commentary or discussion of cinematic and televisual history.
Quoting a counterexample, "A work of art, not so famous as to be iconic, whose theme happens to be the Spanish Civil War, used without permission to illustrate an article on the war. (However, because of its iconic status, it is presumably Fair Use where we have a small image of Picasso's Guernica in the article Bombing of Guernica.)" I think the video/image is like this example. Is it related - yes. Is it free - no. So is it "iconic"? This video is POV, and such as does not represent (overall) the entire incident.
I think the best thing to do would be to get a still of the original CCTV video, since the footage analysis is the same thing but with POV commentary, so both sides agree that the vanilla video is authentic. :-- МиборовскийU|T|C|M|E|Chugoku Banzai! 04:24, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
PS. Maybe I AM Russian... :D -- МиборовскийU|T|C|M|E|Chugoku Banzai! 04:26, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
Hi, Miborovsky, thanks for your reply. I have some thought as below:
1. About the image, my POV is it's more precisely to be called an animated image. But no matter what the format is, one reason for the deletion is the copyright concern.
The following is my understanding about whether the use of copyrighted work is a fair use. Accordnig to US law Copyright Act of 1976, 17 U.S.C. § 107, there're 4 factors:
1). the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;
(This image is not for commercial)
2). the nature of the copyrighted work;
(The source is from Television news program, which has already been broadcasted to the public multiple times.)
3). the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole;
(the image is only several seconds of original work. If we use the whole video or sustantial portion of it, then it may not consititude fair use.)
4). the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.
(Considering 2, and 3 above, there's not much effect upon the market value of original work since the original work is not for commercial purpose.)
3. The other reason of deletion is POV.
Then the image probably could be improved by make it NPOV and/or POV commentary could be removed,etc.
4. Speaking of POV, perhaps people might have noticed the edit summary I left when the image above was removed. Frankly speaking, the other image in the same paragraph also gave me some feeling of POV when I saw it the 1st time.
a). I remember that (POV: disturbing) image was put to the top of the article when it was uploaded the 1st time. ( This might give some readers impressions that practicing Falun Gong means suicides, or most practitioners are the similar as the image suggests.)
b). Please note the name of image: "FalunTorture.jpg" (The name might give readers impression FalunGong tortured the person.)
Some people may bring up the similar questions as I wrote at the top of this topic. This may not be about the FLG philosophical debate. My POV, it may be more about reasonability. e.g. if FLG tortured the person, could we find proof in the book of FLG? In millions of practitioners, did FLG tortured others? If a woman killed her kids saying God told her to, then imagine what it looks like when the head-smashed kid's photo is put to the top of Christianity page in wiki?
Forgive me if any of the words sound blunt, but I really don't have that intention. Just wish a peaceful conversation can deepen the understanding of each other. I might be wrong in somewhere, please feel free to correct me if so, and I appreciate your time. --FarisLearner
Hello there, sorry it's taken me a while to respond to this.
Yes it's an animated gif image, and Wikipedia generally doesn't use animated gifs. Would be better if it was in a free video format.
As for fair use, I believe that the said image/video has to satisfy both US and Chinese fair use laws for use on Wikipedia. The Wikimedia Foundation is based in the USA, so it has to comply with the US fair use laws, but since it was taken in China, it would logically have to comply with Chinese fair use laws as well. Which I'm not too sure about. Also, under #1 of the US laws you quoted, the "purpose and character of the use" might prove difficult. As this image/video is an edited version of the original, it might be considered tampering or malicious intent. After all, if CCTV demands it, we have to take it down.
The POV. Yes, that's quite important. As the image/video incorporates pro-Falungong editorial, it is unnecessarily POV by suggesting "This is the video, and here's what happened". It would be best to include the actual, unmodified video/still, and then explaining in text the Falungong claims and the PRC government claims.
The other image of the self-immolator. I disambiguated the caption when it was uploaded and clarified that it was published by the Chinese government. Someone removed it. I see it has been put back, so there shouldn't be any problem with it provided the caption remains there.
There are lots of bad naming on Wikipedia. If you have a better name for it, upload that one, replace all existing links to the old image to link to the new image, and request for the old image to be speedy deleted for redundancy.
Still not interested in Falungong philosophical debate, sorry. But suffice to say that Falungong is in the limelight for its purported cult status (whether true or not), and Christianity is not.
Hi, Mib, sorry for the late reply. I got your points. I understand your copy right concern even though there might be chances when China also has the similar fair use law. I also understand the views of Christians. My POV is culture difference makes all other beliefs as heresay to them, including Buddhism and Daoism. Over 2000 years ago, Christianity itself was also viewed as heresy (or cult?) by dominant religion at that time. That said, in the daily life, the culture difference didn't prevent some Christians, including US congress people, to support the stop of persecution or mistreatment to FLG practitioners in China.
Finally, after reading your reply, I noticed I mistook you as the original person who posted the "FalunTorture.jpg" and put it to the top of article mainpage. I apologize for my that misunderstanding. I am new to Wiki and was not familiar with the layout or checking history of posts. That's why I wished to have some communication with you.
Ok, appreciate your time and wish you the best, MIB(Men in Black?)! --FarisLearner
OK, no problem at all. If you need help or clarification, feel free to ask me. (Mib -> Miborovsky, =/= Men In Black) -- МиборовскийU|T|C|M|E|Chugoku Banzai! 06:16, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
Hi Mib, on the WW2 template, the Second Sino-Japanese War is listed under the Asian Theater instead of contemporary wars. Has anybody discussed where to put 2SJW? China fought on its own for four years and then later the China War Zone was established in 1942, which included Southeast Asia. BlueShirts 02:55, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
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I don't wanna overdo it or anything, so here's just a brief note thanking you for supporting me in the WikiProject Military history coordinator elections. Cheers, and I hope I can please as Assistant Coordinator! --Loopye 01:26, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
The Today's FA's picture is all wrong! It suggests cooperation between Nazi Germany and China! What happened to the picture of soldiers shaking hands with each other (the cool one)?
Can somebody change it before it's too late?
Hi Mibrovsky, I think the soldiers shaking hands is still my first choice because it captures the theme of the article. However, if we can't put that up (clip art reason, I don't know), the one with soldiers lining up facing forward as if marching is also very good (it's pretty symbolic). 171.65.67.41 01:05, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
Say, there are a number of KMT/CCP related images about which are untagged or have no source. Ie. starting with this Image:Kmtarmy.JPG. Can you be on the lookout, since you know more about sources of these images than I do, and what licenses would be appropriate. Thanks! Elle vécut heureuseà jamais (Be eudaimonic!) 04:33, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
I don't exactly have a list yet. I've seen unsourced images around; seeing no license for that last one was basically the "last straw" that made me complain. I'll check around and report new images I find to you; but I'm just asking you to keep on the lookout. ;-) Elle vécut heureuseà jamais (Be eudaimonic!) 04:44, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
This doesn't sometimes appear to evident enough in the lead sections of either the CCP or KMT articles and requires quite a specific article to bring this up. The CCP and the KMT were distinct factions, as was the CCP and the left-wing part of the KMT, but how would it be best explained - isn't it technically true that the Kuomintang was really the name of a number of different parties, although one after the other. So I mean, the CCP did fight the KMT, but they fought Chiang's KMT, not Sun Yat Sen's second KMT (and not the first, old one, either), although they split off from the left-wing faction. I suppose I'm getting technical, but then again specifics help avoid confusion for readers who will be told one thing in the beginning and then the other.
Oh, there's a part in Chinese Civil War where it says "(a contest won by Chaing)" concerning the rift between the Wuhan government and Chiang - this is confusing here; I don't know what contest it refers to; the contest to move the government it appears likely not because it wouldn't have shifted in the first place, the war? What is it? You can't win a "rift", anyway. Just need some advice. I was just wondering how to explain it in the introductions without having to be delve into way too much detail. (Inspiring incident: Mao Zedong didn't form the Red Army to fight the KMT so much as fight Chiang's KMT, correct?) It's hard to keep track of. Cheers. Elle vécut heureuseà jamais (Be eudaimonic!) 05:19, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
Very good work by BlueShirts and you.
However, bunch of vandals are doing crap to the page, vandal is bad, but adding frivolous information makes the article sound like a joke (ex. Tsintao beer?!). Any way to lock this article for the time being? 171.65.67.64 18:22, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
Yes， I am just try to make more Interlanguage links for chinese wiki and english wiki.I found many articles in both langue missing the interlangue links.So it may be seen as Multilingual coordination. Ksyrie 01:34, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
some works, for others i am just try to write the counterparts myself or demand others. So donn't fuss about these.:)Ksyrie 01:38, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
hello, got your message - it is quick - but no surprising since you are an admin :). i made two minor eidts in your chinese biography, one is a "half-shape” western style comma changed to the full-shape, chinese style comma; the other is part of Kerry's chinese transliteration from "裡" (inside) to "里" (mile, village, also used in translating foreign names). btw, i found your user page since i was referred to {{User Chinese}} and {{User Chinese reunification}}. :)
it is a bit odd that born and grown up as mainland chinese, my username resembles the state known as ROC. the name should have been "roc" (a mythic strong and free bird), but this spelling was occupied when i was registering at zh.wp, and without much thinking i chose to use r.o.c instead. --roc(talk) 04:35, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
Uhm... I noticed your change to your userpage, and I immediately went "What the...", I'll tell you that much. You must get a lot of emails to get so pissed off. :P NSLE(T+C) 08:10, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
seriously, what kind of nut would send you emails accusing you of being loyalist/defector? BlueShirts 18:51, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
Not a lot, just 5 or 6, which is enough to piss me off. All through Wikipedia email, apparently. Probably Fenfen who have knee-jerk reactions "OMG! ROC! TRAITOR!" -- МиборовскийU|T|C|M|E|Chugoku Banzai! 23:43, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
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While I'm still unconvinced that The Internationale page needs so many renditions of the lyrics, I noticed your recent revert of Robth's correction of the word "like" to "life" in the Billy Bragg version of the song. I have taken the liberty of changing the lyric back to "life" after consulting both Bragg's liner notes, and confirming them by listening to the audio. Both sources clearly say "life," and not "like." I think, perhaps, you were thinking of a different rendition of the song? Either way, thanks for the contribution. ~CS 22:07, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
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I enjoyed reading your biography. I look forward to reading more as your life unfounds. I'm sure you are destined for grand undertakings. One thing though, the title of "basic annals" (本紀) is reserved for sovereigns. Might I suggest you declare your imperial pretensions now and take a dynastic name? Yeu Ninje 09:34, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
In Reply to copyright issues over TiananmenSquareFalseFire.gif
Dear Friend,
I am sorry that I deleted the entries last time. I was quite new to wikipedia and did so as I felt the copyright issues were non-existant. It is requested most humbly that the image is not deleted over a non-existant copyright issue.
Kindly go through my clarifications below. Thanking You.
The movie "False Fire: China's Tragic New Standard in State Deception" which analyzes the 2001 Tiananmen Square "self-immolation" incident, won a Certificate of Honorable Mention at the 51st Columbus International Film & Video Festival. A video violating copyrights wouldnot be allowed at an international film festival. The video has been staged at several Video festivals and events and the issue of copyrights have never been raised.
1.CCTV didnt claim any ownershiprights/copyrights on the video - the claim was that the Video was taken by CNN. The International Department of CNN stated that CNN did not film anything because at the very beginning of the incident, CNN reporters were arrested and their equipment confiscated.
2. CCTV had publicly stated the video was taken by CNN
3. Even if the CCP has claimed ownership rights on the video(they havent),
( Kindly allow me to re-use text from an earlier post...)
According to US law Copyright Act of 1976, 17 U.S.C. § 107, there are 4 factors:
1). the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;
(This image is not for commercial)
2). the nature of the copyrighted work;
(The source is from Television news program, which has already been broadcasted to the public multiple times.)
3). the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole;
(the image is only several seconds of original work. If we use the whole video or sustantial portion of it, then it may not consititude fair use.)
4). the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.
(Considering 2, and 3 above, there's not much effect upon the market value of original work since the original work is not for commercial purpose.)
So based on US law the use of image constitudes the fair use. (more sample cases can be found at http://fairuse.stanford.edu/Copyright_and_Fair_Use_Overview/chapter9/9-c.html)
4. The footage has been broadcasted on American television also.
Greetings. There has been a flurry of editing to the Falungong page by some anon IPs and Dilip rajeev seemingly to remove references to any controversy surrounding FLG beyond that associated with the CCP. We are discussing things on the talk page there, and any input you have would be welcome. Regards, --Fire Star 17:19, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
It turns out that Dilip and the anon IPs are one and the same. --Fire Star 15:59, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
Regarding your participation in the aforementioned AfD (which resulted in no consensus) I would appreciate your opinions in the following AfD discussions. Thank you for your time. -- Krash (Talk) 15:43, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
LOL! Your bio is just the sort of thing I like to read and write! I've written one of my own, though probably not as good as yours (my Classicial Chinese is very basic)! --Charlie Huang 【正矗昊】 15:05, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
Hi there GreenReaper, could you keep a watch over GalCiv 2? User:Robust Physique has been repeatedly deleting a large chunk of text regarding the StarForce incident without attempts at communicating. He's also been involved in other revert wars over StarForce. Thanks.
Yes, I noticed . . . I'm not sure how much I want to touch that particular part, since I'm an employee, but I'll be watching and if nothing else I'll try and ensure that the consensus is maintained. Thanks for the note. GreenReaper 07:22, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
Oh I see. Well I'm not. I could spend some Rogue Admins points if things get too heated, heh. Probably not, let's hope for the best. :D -- МиборовскийU|T|C|M|E|Chugoku Banzai! 07:29, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
PS. He might be a StarForce employee. :p -- МиборовскийU|T|C|M|E|Chugoku Banzai! 07:29, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
Well I did spend my Rogue Admin points after all. And got a slap on the wrist, too. A part of me wonder if I'm subconsciously authoritarian... Or secretly wanted admission into the coveted Guild of Rogue Admins. :D -- МиборовскийU|T|C|M|E|Chugoku Banzai! 06:30, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
Since it seems like the guy is willing to createsockpuppets, I'm not sure that any slappage is justified . . . GreenReaper 06:36, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
No indeed, if this user has really created sockpuppets and are using those to vandalise (sockpuppets are not illegal persé, I mean I have a sock: User:Jacoplaneipaq) then they do deserved to be blocked. I undid your block because of the part in WP:BLOCK that says "Use of blocks to gain an advantage in a dispute is strictly prohibited. That is, sysops must not block editors with whom they are currently engaged in an editing conflict. Generally, caution should be exercised before blocking users who may be acting in good faith." Don't consider it a slap on the wrist, I'm sure you were acting in good faith. Cya, jacoplane 16:52, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
Also, if User:Robust Physique continues to revert war, he'll get a block. Have you requested a Checkuser for the suspected socks? jacoplane 16:57, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
Regarding your message on my talk page, you have my complete support. Looking more closely at the situation, I now feel you were probably right all along. Take care, jacoplane 00:19, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
Hello Miborovsky, it is my apologies to bring you that I've withdrawn my RFA. Due to the lack of experience, I would go under admin coaching first before trying again later. I would thank you for your vote in this RFA whether you voted support, oppose or neutral for me. I appreciate your comments (if you do have) you made and I hope to see you here in future. --Terence Ong 05:51, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
I'm going to unsprotect this now, since it's been about a week since you protected it. Since WP:SEMI is for dealing with serious current vandalism, 7 days seems longer than "current" can really be stretched to. Can I ask you to take a cruise through your protection log and see if you have others that got left protected? Thanks. -Splashtalk 22:58, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
This was particularly widespread, nearly as much as anti-Japanese sentiment (hatred was so widespread back then one must imagine!), but I don't know where to find it. I think it exists, just that I'm looking for it in the wrong place. If it doesn't exist, I suppose we can make it a goal, since its quite a major topic that deserves extensive coverage. Elle vécut heureuseà jamais (Be eudaimonic!) 23:44, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
P.S. Do you have any advice on the article Tiandihui/Hongmen? The slash looks ugly, but I am not sure which name is more appropriate, as "Hongmen" seems to be the common name, and Tiandihui the formal name. Any ideas? Elle vécut heureuseà jamais (Be eudaimonic!) 23:48, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
Okay, thanks for the clarifications. I have a further question — I note that the feuding warlords retained political legitimacy as the Republic of China even when Sun Yat-Sen set up the new Kuomintang. While this happened, what happened to the old Kuomintang? Did the Beijing administration say they were part of this Kuomintang too? Elle vécut heureuseà jamais (Be eudaimonic!) 00:29, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
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Hiya Mib, I have saved some textbooks until the sixth grade and I don't remember if they contain such detailed info, but I'll go look this weekend. And back then Outer Mongolia is still counted as part of the ROC, but nowadays the textbooks aren't printed by the government anymore (another stupid move by Chen's lackeys), so I'm not sure where why you need the figure from a ROC textbook. BlueShirts 22:43, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
this is available in the Republic of China Yearbook, published 2001 and before. They purged this information starting in the 2002 edition. I can access these if BlueShirts is unavailable to locate his books. Otherwise, look at the president.gov.tw website prior to about 2002 using archive.org--Jiang 05:12, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
probably wont get to it until next week, when i get back to school from spring break--Jiang 06:47, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
sorry i never got back to you. the number given is 11418212 sq km, "second largest" in the world. --Jiang 08:07, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
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The reviewer at least know that there was a huge battle in shanghai, which is pretty nice. Lots of Chinese people don't even know it. BlueShirts 23:44, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
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I don't have the exact link, but it was from a news special from China Times, the premiere news source in Taiwan. It was last summer (60th anniversary) and the news crew went to Chongqing and found the last surviving soldier of the Sihang Warehouse, Yang Yang-jheng He mentioned that they were persecuted for having been KMT soldiers, and they were paraded in the streets as "fake mlitary officer" (wei jun guan). He and his wife weren't too angry about it, since other big honchos of the CCP also got persecuted. You can find more info on him by google, but I don't think many sites mentioned this fact since they are Chinese sites. BlueShirts 00:23, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
nice job on the Sihang article! Do you want to make it FA soon? Also I'd think that a photo or that painting should be used for the battle box. BlueShirts 00:40, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
nice job on the article! I just wonder where did you find your sources and how did you summarize them into the article? Thank you. I.H.S.V.(talk) 18:29, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
Subsequent to you note, I checked out the intro section of this article and, indeed, it was more comprehensive than what I had cobbled together on the fly. I'll pull this article off my Watch list, since you seem to be watching and to a large extent moderating the article. Indeed, it sounds like there are quite a few folks out there with some pretty strong viewpoints on this matter. Hang in there, and thanks, Madman 21:16, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
I don't want to keep discussing this on the Nanking Massacre talk page.
I don't intend to defend Bueller 007's language. However, there are times when you give the impression that you are talking to editors as though you were a school master or traffic policeman. It sounds patronising and perhaps even a little arrogant.
As I have already pointed out, your reprimand wasn't particularly civil. Language like "sick and tired of..." is not really appropriate in this situation. It is used in everyday life as a very strong and antagonistic putdown of behaviour that displeases you.
Your reply to me did not leave me with a particularly pleasant impression. I originally brought up Caiqian's behaviour because I feel that his unilateral, unsupported changes are quite provocative -- perhaps not overtly insulting in the way that Bueller's comments were, but provocative nonethless. I appreciate your point (your point) that you will only step in on issues of civility, but there is no reason to use dismissive, patronising comments like "So let's keep this on civility, shall we?" (as though it is obvious that I've gone off topic).
With regard to my comments on Caiqian, you wrote: "It's somewhat disturbing that you seem intent on dragging the victim into this. Let's hope you're not really trying to do that." I am sure you understand as well as anyone else that this ("let's hope you're not") sounds patronising and looks like an attempt to "shame" or vaguely threaten the other person. In fact, I was not trying to "drag the victim" into this; I was pointing out that Bueller 007's behaviour wasn't completely unprovoked and that you were only looking at one side of the problem.
At any rate, in all of these cases there were other ways in English to express what you wanted to say without being patronising or antagonistic.
I realise that no one is perfect and that I am probably as guilty as anyone else of impatience and intemperence in addressing editors who seem to have got it wrong. Still, as an administrator, in a situation where you are threatening to wield certain powers over other people, surely you should be careful in your use of language -- especially when you are reprimanding other people over their "civility".
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