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Pannonian mixed forests

The Pannonian mixed forests ecoregion (WWF ID: PA0431) constitutes 307,716 km² over the countries of Austria, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Czech Republic, Hungary, Romania, Serbia, Slovakia, Slovenia, Ukraine, and Croatia. It is an ecoregion within the Palearctic ecozone and is of the temperate broadleaf and mixed forests biome as defined by WWF. The ecoregion is based on the complex of vegetation in the Pannonian basin. This complex includes subcontinental thermophilous (mixed) pedunculate oak and sessile oak forests, sub-Mediterranean subcontinental thermophilous bitter oak forests, as well as mixed forests, mixed oak-hornbeam forests, sub-Mediterranean-subcontinental lowland to montane herb-grass steppes, and azonal floodplain vegetation.

See also

• Temperate broadleaf and mixed forest

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May 2020

Please do not add or change content, as you did at Wrightia tinctoria, without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Wikipedia:Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Use WP:SCIRS sources for botany and taxonomy, and WP:MEDRS sources for medical content. Ayurvedic nonsense has no place in a fact-based encyclopedia. Zefr (talk) 16:12, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to vandalize pages by deliberately introducing incorrect information, as you did at Afrocarpus gracilior, you may be blocked from editing. Read WP:MEDRS and find high-quality reviews from reputable publications before adding medical content. Zefr (talk) 16:42, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Your edits

You said the following on my talk page (discuss here on your page):

Hi, you recently undid some major contributions I made to Afrocarpus gracilior and Wrightia tinctoria without any discussion. First of all, let's talk about Afrocarpus gracilior.

Ethnobotanical uses are an important source of information, and it is understood that there is a separation between ethnobotanical medicinal uses vs western medical uses. You removed the statement:

The [[Marakwet]] people mix the bark of benet and ''[[Prunus africana]]'' and then boil and administer it to treat hypertension. Additionally, a dry powder of the bark can be used to treat eye ailments.<ref name = kipkore2014medicinalplantsMarakwet/>

Which is an ethnobotanical claim, not a medical one. It is a fact that the Marakwet use it this way. I see absolutely no reason to remove the claim. Perhaps you had issue with the sentence, "Additionally, a dry powder of the bark can be used to treat eye ailments." What I intended to say is that it can be used in that way by Marakwet not that it's been proven in Western science to have those uses. The other change you removed was:

[[Paclitaxel]] an important anti-cancer agent that inhibits the growth of HeLa cells has been isolated from the tree. Podolactone D was the compound responsible for the tumor inhibitory properties of an ethanol extract of the twigs and leaves of '''''A. gracilior'''''.<ref name = abdillahi2010southafrica_ethnobotanyofpodocarpus/>

I also don't see any issue with this statement either. If you don't like the source, I can point out others, but it is a fact that paclitaxel was isolated from its bark and a simple visit to its own wiki page shows plenty of supporting evidence for its anti-cancer properties (it's a fucking patented drug!). The anti-tumor properties of Podolactone D was also investigated by this paper: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12608867 which is from the highly regarded journal Journal of Natural Products which has an impact factor of 4.257

Neither of these changes were warranted or justified. I've modified the text and restored the contents (added sources, change woreding, etc). If you would like to actually discuss any perceived issues, please discuss it here, but if you continue to make unjustified changes with no explanation, I would like to report this behavior and discuss with some higher administration/mods. I find papers by looking through for the most highly cited literature on plants using tools like Scopus, Microsoft Academic, and Publish or Peril. Many times, these journals can be less know, but I always try to make sure they are the most cited and highest regarded literature on the given papers.

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Your revisions to Nepetalactone were also completely unwarrented. All I did was look up papers that managed to extract the chemicals from other plant sources and listed some of those plant species. It's useful information, because most people regard the chemical as being unique to catnip, but it has also been extracted from other plants. I have no idea why you would remove that information (because you didn't even attempt to leave any information in the talk page!)

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The edits to Zanthoxylum schinifolium were completely well cited from very reputable journals. Something tells me you didn't even bother to check that though. The more I dig into your revisions, the more I feel your behavior is bordering on bullying. I put a lot of effort and research into finding those papers. I combed through Scopus, Microsoft Academic, Google Scholar, and Publish or Perish to find the most cited literature and made sure it was from reputable journals. This is honestly really aggravating so i need to take a break from going through the rest of your edits, but I think I'm going to ask for administrator attention for this

Responses

It is not enough to use any published source. An editor has to assess source quality, as my edit summaries indicated. For botany, use WP:SCIRS reviews. For medical content, do not cite alternative medicine sources or non-WP:MEDRS references. The encyclopedia requires high-quality scientific sources to support its science content. Zefr (talk) 19:07, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Yes, all of the sources are in compliance with the manuals you cited. It is you who is failing to verify that this is true. Please do so. Spend the time and look through the sources as I did... Tr3ndyBEAR (talk) 19:20, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

You said: This is ridiculous. I actually spent the time to look through the most cited literature and made sure all the sources were from reliable, peer-reviewed journals. You're letting some strange bias you have guide you. I spent hours verifying their credibility, you judged it after 1 minute and yet have the gall to point me to the manual of style... Please verify them yourself before deleting them — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tr3ndyBEAR (talk • contribs) 19:23, 11 May 2020 (UTC) There's a difference between ethnobotany and medical claims. If information is clearly presenting it as ethnobotanical usage, there is absolute no reason to delete it as an "unsourced medical claim" Tr3ndyBEAR (talk) 19:27, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

These are not WP:MEDRS reviews, but are publications from low-quality journals. This is not encyclopedic content, particularly for medical science topics. Zefr (talk) 19:31, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Not medical science topics. Many of the sources you deleted were about ethnobotanical uses. This is completely different. Saying "these people were known to use this plant for this reason" is not the same as saying "this plant cures cancer". I don't understand how you could mix the two. There is no justification for removing such information

Also, see: [1] for an example of ethnobotanical reviews of plants from a highly respected journal.

Ethnobotany is based on traditional medicine, unscientific practices, and speculation. It is not a useful encyclopedic source to support statements on disease. A critical review is needed - that where a WP:MEDREV source comes into use. If you can't find one, leave it out. Zefr (talk) 19:49, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

This is just a straight up racist comment.Tr3ndyBEAR (talk) 20:06, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

I'm sorry you can't see the value in understanding the ways indigenous peoples have utilzied the plants around them. That's no reason to delete the information though. Like I said, this is not about medical claims. This is about ethnobotanical uses. There's a clear difference, and dismissing them as bs is narrow-minded at best, and racist at its roots. Furthermore, many of the other stuff you deleted was basically, "this chemical was found in this plant" with a clear, high-quality source that that compound was indeed extracted in that plant. Why would you delete that? That's also not a medical claim. That's a phytochemistry claim. I don't understand what makes you think you can interpret everything as a medical claim. It's insane

WP:PRIMARY - leads to uncertainties and disputes. That's why we rely on WP:SCIRS reviews and WP:MEDRS for anything related to treating diseases. Read WP:WHYMEDRS. Zefr (talk) 20:26, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

what exactly is it that leads you to uncertainty? Maybe I could make it even more clear for you? Tr3ndyBEAR (talk) 20:32, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Wrightia tinctoria

On the topic of Wrightia tinctoria. First of all, I wasn't even the person who added information about its use in Ayurvedic traditions. Second of all, it is one of the 50 fundamental herbs of Chinese traditional medicine. Outside of that culture, there is very little interaction with the plant. It is insane for an encyclopedia to not include that information when it's the primary fact about the plant. It is primarily known for its roles in that medicine system.Tr3ndyBEAR (talk) 21:00, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Additionally, I did a lot more than add sources about scientific trials and evidence for its properties. I also added information about its taxonomy, cleaned up things throughout the page, and did a lot more. you undid all of that work. I spent all day working on it and reading through sources, and you spent a minute to delete it all without bothering to do any of your own research or even have the decency to post about it in the talk page. Tr3ndyBEAR (talk) 21:03, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Additionally, the main source used WAS a review A review on phytochemical, pharmacological, and pharmacognostical profile of Wrightia tinctoria: Adulterant of kurchi. Please take at least a second before judging based on zero research whether or not something is "nonsense". Also, you can't call a culture's medical system "nonsense". Ethnopharmcology is NOT the same thing as western essential oil pyramid schemes. Do some research on that as well. If you look at any pharmacology journal, you'll see they borrow a lot from traditional knowledge of plant uses. In fact, over 90% of our medicines ultimately are derived from ethnopharmacology (everything from adderall (Ephedra) to aspirin (willow bark)) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tr3ndyBEAR (talk • contribs) 21:07, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Pharmacognosy Reviews is a dubious journal listed among Medknow Pub., #4 on WP:CITEWATCH. See the disclaimer - we don't use these journals here, and Pharmacognosy Rev is not listed on Medline, meaning it does not have a sufficient record or reputation to be catalogued. Again, it's a matter of choosing high-quality reviews from reputable sources for Wikipedia content. That was not done for this article or the others you edited. You may have a sincere interest in these topics, but your choice of sources has not been to scientific standards the encyclopedia uses.

I've responded enough on this matter. Please don't make further comments on my talk page or infer anything about my motives other than trying to make Wikipedia better. See WP:NPA. Zefr (talk) 22:25, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

May 2020

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to use disruptive, inappropriate or hard-to-read formatting, as you did at Nepetalactone, you may be blocked from editing. There is a Wikipedia Manual of Style, and edits should not deliberately go against it without special reason. Zefr (talk) 19:11, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Edits to Tulbaghia violacea

Hi, any claims of medical efficacy must be sourced to the standards of WP:MEDRS. You can report, with a reliable secondary source, that a plant or its extracts are used in traditional medicine. Any claim that they are efficacious requires sources such as "review articles (especially systematic reviews) published in reputable medical journals". We don't report preliminary or in vitro studies; this is an encyclopedia, not a news source. Please review WP:MEDRS carefully. Peter coxhead (talk) 05:55, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Hey, you're talking to the wrong user. I'm not the one who added any of the stuff you removed. The only edits I made to (one of) those sentences were formatting the citations. Also the source I used was a review article from a reputable journal, but I did not make any medical claims Tr3ndyBEAR (talk) 13:50, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Whoops, apologies. The bit you added was indeed fine. I removed some stuff from Tulbaghia violacea#Medicinal uses, a section you had edited, but as you rightly say, I left the bit you actually added. My fault entirely. Peter coxhead (talk) 08:28, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Solanum glaucescens or Solanum glaucophyllum?

Hello Tr3ndyBEAR,

Thanks for your work! I agree that according to Plants of the World Online, both Solanum glaucescens and Solanum glaucophyllum are accepted species. If you're interested in writing the S. glaucescens article, all that's necessary is for you to overwrite the redirect. Gderrin (talk) 23:21, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

References

Hey, thanks so much for the response. I just created the page of a related species (Solanum pachyandrum) and had a wikilink to that plant. I don't know if I'll get around to making the page for that species as well any time soon (unless I make a simple, bare-bones version of it), but it's good to hear it's a simple fix. What's the usual taxonomic authority for plant pages? I usually rely on Catalogue of Life which seems to use Plants of the World Online for most of it's plant taxonomy, but I noticed PlantList is also very commonly cited despite being dead. Is there any agreed upon taxonomic authority for Wikipedia:WikiProject Plants pages? Tr3ndyBEAR (talk) 23:43, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

This page (under "Appropriate citations") is a good start, although a bit out-of-date I think. POWO is excellent. Most of the articles I write are about Australian Plants, so I generally use the Australian Plant Census. I have a message from WCSP that "TPL is outdated and should no longer be used. All updated data are on WCSP or POWO." Gderrin (talk) 06:59, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

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