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In need of a template wizard

Little job for you Chris...Please! Per my edit summaries at Template:Football squad player/testcases, how do I get the tables aligned if there is an uneven number of rows in each, and how do I get rid of the [[|]] that appears in the nationality column if nothing is entered under parameter nat= when icononly is not used? I suspect it is buried in {{flagcountry}} but I don't have time to look today. Cheers --ClubOranje^T 11:51, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Done and done. Howzat? Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward: not at work) - talk 12:21, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Perfect. Thanks Muchly. --ClubOranje^T 06:21, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Template talk:Geobox

Thanks for your contributions at Template talk:Geobox. I've responded there. Would you mind taking a look? Thanks Lightmouse (talk) 13:25, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Replied. Thanks. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward: not at work) - talk 13:56, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Infoboxes - railways more

A couple of unrelated suggestions - a consistent style seems appropriate for all rail infoboxs, (if not all infoboxes). Would it be possible to make a standard style template for rail, and then include/transpose it into all rail infoboxes? That way whatever is the current fashion for presentation can be altered using a single edit. (I like frameless, but experience of human nature suggests it will not be the final version). The only exception I am aware of this is that people like to use different top colours for the title bar - eg per country/railway. (eg some china ones use blue, some germany ones use red, I think there are others.)

Maybe it would even be possible to have a field that colour codes the infobox according to railway/country etc - inherited from the standard style template suggested above? Or are coloured infoboxes out of fashion? I've no idea if this is the sort of thing you do/like to do, if not ignore.Thanks.Sf5xeplus (talk) 18:58, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

(TPS) I agree that standardization is generally a good idea. For example, changing the backend to use {{Infobox}} is a good start. Removing spurious colouring is also a good idea. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 20:17, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

I probably do more of it than anyone else, to be honest. :) In general, colour for the sake of having colour has gone out of fashion: we typically only employ colour now if there's a strong key to it (i.e. where a colour is strongly associated with a subject), although occasionally muted colour bands are used for headers to help distinguish them on long templates. As stated, {{infobox}} provides a standard layout which is used on the majority of en-WP's infoboxes these days, and ideally the templates should be transitioned to use it. For various reasons, mostly niggling style issues, that hasn't happened yet on some of the train boxes, but I expect we'll get there eventually. Another thing about WP's coverage of train/rail subjects is that there are still too many subtly different infoboxes for different regions; we've been consolidating these over the last couple of years, though, and eventually there will hopefully only be a set of about four core infoboxes to cover all of the present subjects. If you have any other questions then feel free to drop me a line. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward: not at work) - talk 07:55, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

alt text for template

Hi Chris, I made a request some time ago for alt text to be enabled on Template:Image stack. It was met with thundering silence, so I was wondering if you would be so kind as to incorporate the feature, so that the template may be used in an article which will shortly be a featured article candidate. Thanks, Ohconfucius ^¡digame! 06:27, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

• many thanks. Works fine. :-) --Ohconfucius ^¡digame! 08:49, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

No worries. :) Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward: not at work) - talk 09:00, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

New code for Infobox television episode

As per your idea, I tried moving the television episodes to {{infobox}}), using my rudimentary coding skills. I come up with this and it actually seems to work. The one field I'm unsure about is season list so I left it commented out for now.–FunkyVoltron ^talk 11:53, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Nice work! I've moved it to {{Infobox television episode/sandbox}} so that it can be worked on further. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward: not at work) - talk 11:58, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

I believe everything except season list is working now. I can't figure out how to make the season list appear in the box with its predecided style; it shows up as code. A possible solution is to let the template handle the formatting (which means season lists can consist of nothing but an episode list; that might make things easier). There's probably some easy fix to this that I'm not aware of. Also, the image field will mess things up for most television articles as they utilize a different way of displaying images. There's probably some bot that can fix this.–FunkyVoltron ^talk 14:02, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

I hacked on the episode list, and it appears to work, but it feels very "hackish". In fact, I always thought it was a big hack in the original code as well. The start and end of the table should be inside of the episode list template, if the episode list is a table. We could put in some transition code to detect this, although it might be a bit fragile, using {{str left}}. For example, {{#ifeq:{{str left|{{Infobox The Sopranos season six}}|2}}|{{!}}-|yes|no}} will return "yes" if template starts with a "|-". I say it's fragile since it can have problems if this isn't literally the first thing in the template. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 14:47, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

It all seems to work fine. It's also possible, I suppose, to strip episode lists down to just, well, episode lists, and let the template handle the formatting. Might even make things more consistent across articles. Might this work? Of course, that means the season lists will have to be reworked. Some are very disparate.–FunkyVoltron ^talk 15:02, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for tidying up the box. Embarrassingly enough, I missed that there's a subheader field. Worked quite hard on that override. Do you think it's ready now?–FunkyVoltron ^talk 18:15, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Code looks fine, but for the sake of drama avoidance it might be a good idea to let the TV project know first. If there are no concerns there then ping me and I'll sync it. Cheers! Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward: not at work) - talk 10:55, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

I agree. It appears to be close enough that this should be uncontroversial, but it is always good to to make a reasonable attempt to make sure anyone who cares is aware of pending changes. Once this is in place, we can work on simplifying the "season list" templates to make them flat lists, rather than the wonky partial table markup. Thanks for the hard work. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 15:24, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Now proposed at Template talk:Infobox television episode#Code Updates. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 16:43, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Question

Might be an idea to put some form of temporary protection to Kyle Lafferty due to Excessive violations of the BLP policy. Thanks if you can help. Monkeymanman (talk) 15:16, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

I'll keep an eye on it. Temporary protection isn't going to do the job as he's going to continue to attract vandalism for the rest of his Rangers career, probably. If it's getting too much to handle I'll semiprotect it. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward: not at work) - talk 15:35, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

cheers. Monkeymanman (talk) 15:38, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

My creation

Hi, what happens?, you dont like my creation? It is only for spanish sports. --Raymond Cruise (talk) 17:03, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

It is not needed. {{fb start}} was written before {{navbox}}. Navigation templates should now use {{navbox}} and not the old layout. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward: not at work) - talk 18:05, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Hey, dictator, you are not autorized to delete my creation. I will create other templates and you will not find out. Greetings. --Raymond Cruise (talk) 10:27, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

If you want to discuss the matter, take it to the talk page I provided you a link to. This was already discussed, and "your creation" is contrary to the consensus the project reached on these templates. Don't disrupt the project any further, and don't refer to people as "dictators". Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward: not at work) - talk 10:30, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Template:Infobox Indian jurisdiction

There is one or two '>' characters at the area in articles using area_total, for example one in Madhya Pradesh and two in Kolkata. I think it was caused by your edit [1]. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:55, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

FYI, I think I fixed it. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 22:30, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:36, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Template edit request

Any chance you could get around to converting Template:Infobox interbank network to the standard infobox template? Thanks. Connormah 03:46, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

 Done. Howzat? Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward: not at work) - talk 10:54, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Great, thanks. Connormah 15:30, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

C-uploaded

Chris, I think you're mistaken about my editprotected request on Template:C-uploaded. You wrote that I had added the category myself. The page is a redirect. I did edit the documentation of the page the redirect points to, but it wasn't to add a category, and the redirect page itself doesn't have that category (it's protected, so I can't add it). I've renewed the request. --Bsherr (talk) 13:58, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

I added the cat. I'm not sure if it is entirely necessary, but it doesn't appear to hurt anything. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 15:27, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Oops. Yeah, had missed that it was a redirect. Might help to make your requests a little more verbose in future to avoid this. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward: not at work) - talk 15:29, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Vampire: The Masquerade – Bloodlines

Hey there. You protected the above page, and I just want to nudge you a little - We're very close to a consensus on a key issue; check the latest discussion on the talk page. Eik Corell (talk) 14:53, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

I've unprotected. Cheers. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward: not at work) - talk 15:39, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Zombie433

Regarding Zombie433 (talk · contribs) and the related WP:ANI discussion, what more needs to be said for action to be taken? I'm concerned that the discussion is getting stale and will be archived like previous discussions about the editor with no real action taken. It feels like Zombie433 "gets away" each time with his series of bad and relatively indiscernible information. Erik (talk | contribs) 18:22, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

I've issued a final warning. If you see any future instances of Zombie433 adding material which is either false or dubious and unreferenced, ping me and I'll indef. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward: not at work) - talk 19:57, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Zombie433 has edited since your final warning, but I haven't a clue if his current contributions are valid or not. No wonder previous discussions stalled! Not easy to spot something amiss. I notified others at the WP:ANI discussion and also updated WP:FOOTBALL on its talk page. Erik (talk | contribs) 23:49, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

What about this one: [2] Current club Al-Karamah. source? not the one he added. This is basically how Zombie works. You add something and you add a reference (content doesn't really matter) And most people will think it's a valid edit (hello mr Jogurney?) Cattivi (talk) 00:43, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Yup. Blocked indef. Follow up at ANI. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward: not at work) - talk 01:26, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Thank you. Erik (talk | contribs) 02:19, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

• Hi there Chris, Vasco here. Regarding my inputs here (please see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Blocked) and your related message, i am happy to see the outcome, but you made a bit of "confusion work" there man, so far Zombie433 has not got any socks - that i know of! - i meant User:Pararubbas (see a comprehensive list of his "friends" here, although i think he has more http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_sockpuppets_of_Pararubbas), you might want to watch out for this "user" as well, he edits, as Zombie433, ONLY in soccer. I most certainly WILL, to both (the ZOMBIES and the PARAS, they can bring on their A-game!!). I am relieved that this info i bring to your attention will not make you unblock Zombie433, as you said in the pertinent ANI discussion you were blocking him for another reason. A total lack of respect for the other users is what he's showing, nothing else.

Take care, keep up the good work, happy week - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 04:12, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Template:Multiple image

Hi. I reverted your latest edit to this, as it was no longer rendering properly under IE when set to "horizontal". Vertical was fine, but with horizontal I saw only the captions, not the images. I checked it under Firefox, where it looked normal.

Also, thanks for the suggestion to use the "backwardscopy" tag on NoMad. I plan on doing some work on it later his afternoon. Beyond My Ken (talk) 16:09, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

No problem. I'll keep looking into the issues with {{multiple image}}. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward: not at work) - talk 16:12, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

How did you become an administrator?

You can take your bad faith accusations you placed on my talk page and sail them up your ass, to put it like Bukowski keep them to yourself, thank you very much. I didn't tag the suspected sockpuppet of this person, someone else did [3]. I did tag the userpage because the account is blocked indefinitely and has socked. There is NO POLICY-BASED REASON why anyone cannot do that, it is not the sole job of administrators. There is no "rubbing of salt in wounds". The fact that you're so agitated about this is very strange indeed. Kindzmarauli (talk) 01:43, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Kindzmarauli (talk) 01:54, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

It didn't "sock". You don't understand what that term means, so don't use it. You went out of your way to label or attack this user, and that was wholly unnecessary. While my adminship is entirely besides the point, that I didn't do such obviously bad things obviously helped. The same obviously applies for wasting people's time at ANI. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward: not at work) - talk 01:56, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

I am not the one exhibiting poor judgement and questionable behavior. Kindly provide diffs or other evidence for your claims I am "going out of my way to label or attack" anyone. I know what a sockpuppet is. Apparently you don't know what proper behavior for an administrator is, considering you feel it proper to assume bad faith, make unsubstantiated claims, and insult other editors. Kindzmarauli (talk) 02:33, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Uh-huh. Keep it on ANI. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward: not at work) - talk 07:41, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks

Just wanted to thank you for your reply to CrispinCowan at ANI. Very much appreciated. Doniago (talk) 13:32, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

No problem. Hope it helps. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward: not at work) - talk 13:37, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

problem with Template:US$

apparently the latest changes made to {{US$}} leaves an unwanted trailing space that interferes with punctuation.

example: US$4 million♦. 

are/were you the responsible party? --emerson7 15:38, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Yep; I've fixed the template. Thanks for the heads-up. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward: not at work) - talk 16:10, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

coolio! ...cheers! --emerson7 18:18, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

UEFA European Football Championship

Unfortunately, the source I had was a Youtube video that I can no longer find. I have looked for it many times, but to no avail. I know that there were adboards at Euro '92 that said "Euro 1992" on them though. – PeeJay 22:30, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Galveston Pirate SC Home & Away Kit Help

I saw that you helped someone with their Aston Villa like football kit and thought you may be able to make a football kit for the Galveston Pirate SC Wiki article. It would be greatly appreciated if you could. Also, Disallow the logos. And I believe they are going to be blue shorts.

Home: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_zF46b_ftdz8/TH13DUvVU1I/AAAAAAAAALM/kAaLsX-8NnY/s1600/Official.White.Jersey.bmp

Away: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_zF46b_ftdz8/TH13JKhDkiI/AAAAAAAAALU/PfXZHeU_UBk/s1600/Official.Yellow.Jersey.bmp

Treyvo (talk) 20:07, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

I've given it a shot; it's only a crude approximation, though. A custom kit pattern will need to be created if a better match is needed. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward: not at work) - talk 15:27, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

Responded To Ani

Hello i responded to your statement in regards to the ANI, i hope to hear from you soon Staffwaterboy ^{Critique Me} 16:20, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Ipswich players vs short intros

Hey T, noticed you're doing a sterling job of identifying naff intros for footy bios. Just a tiny request that, if you find yourself tagging anything related to Ipswich then feel free to ping me, template me or whatever, and I'll do my best to fix it up (even for ex-players). Keep up the splendid work. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:20, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

No worries. Will do: I usually just challenge myself to fix them, but I'll give you a shout in future. :) Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward: not at work) - talk 21:19, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

You might find this wp:dab discussion interesting

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Disambiguation#Agree_on_the_goal_and_all_else_should_follow   Daniel.Cardenas (talk) 00:56, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Dave Beasant

I will have a look for a reference confirming when the "Salad cream" incident occurred, but I am 99% certain this was while he was still at Chelsea. Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 12:18, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

So far, the best I have come up with is a very short "article" in the Daily Sport but I can't link to it. It says (in full) "FORMER Chelsea goalie Beasant missed the start of the 1993-94 season after his safe hands finally let him down. He dropped a bottle of salad cream and instinctively stuck a leg out to catch it. The bottle smashed on his foot, severing a tendon in his big toe."

Google "Dave Beasant" "salad cream" "Daily Sport" Not sure that's a good enough reference to cite anyhow!. Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 16:14, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Hmmm. So what you're inferring (assuming that we're going with the Sport here) is that he did himself in in off-season and didn't sign for Saints until his recovery? Right now the article doesn't have any references at all on Beasant's time with Southampton. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward: not at work) - talk 16:33, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

No - he's been on my (rather long) list of articles in need of expansion for some time. I did buy a copy of his auto-biography hoping it would be of help, but it stops just after he joined Chelsea, so not a lot of help. Still there's plenty about him in my various Saints books, so I'll give it a go over the next few days. Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 16:42, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

I've now added what I can on his Saints' career. Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 06:04, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Excellent. Cheers! Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward: not at work) - talk 08:10, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Template:Infobox aviator

Regarding your edits, is there some advantage to using title over header? As for the more general process of subclassing, is the idea to keep the likes of {{Infobox aviator}} as standalone templates, or to make them exclusively subtemplates of {{Infobox person}}? If desirable, I think there's an opportunity for the latter here given the low use of the template. Regards. PC78 (talk) 14:11, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

Using title keeps all the logic in one place: {{infobox}} has special casing for subclassed titles which turns them into headers, and it would be best to use this rather than reinventing the wheel. In the long run I'd like to see a move towards using {{infobox person}} everywhere, but it's early days yet; as we get the infrastructure in place, the impetus for a social effort to get articles moved across should hopefully pick up. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward: not at work) - talk 14:17, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

Would it be problematic to use header as opposed to title, say for example if the subclassed template was using multiple headers? PC78 (talk) 14:27, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

Oh, you can add in extra headers using header as you please; there just isn't any need to explicitly use a first header if you've got a title. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward: not at work) - talk 14:30, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

Just double check my last edits to this template. Cheers. PC78 (talk) 14:55, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

Any particular reason to prefer above to title? Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward: not at work) - talk 15:00, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

Visual consistancy with {{Infobox person}}; the objective is standardisation, yes? I'm assuming that subclassed aboves are not converted to headers? Would this be possible? PC78 (talk) 15:56, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

I'm a proponent of title for semantic reasons. The {{infobox}} subclassing only supports title right now, though it wouldn't be difficult to update it to match either; however, I'd still rather that it only did it for title because of the complications where both title and above are defined for different purposes. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward: not at work) - talk 22:22, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

Speaking of semantics, shouldn't above be the one that's actually above the infobox? :) Personally I think it looks better inside the box rather than outside, but consistancy aside I don't have particuarly strong feelings on the matter; I wouldn't, for instance, mind if {{Infobox person}} was to use title instead of above. So far as I can tell after a quick demo in my userspace, subclassing actually hides above. PC78 (talk) 06:49, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

That's quite possibly a good point, regarding the naming. :) Yes, above is currently hidden when subclassing. In the long run we really need to have a bigger discussion about the whole thing than me and Plastikspork just hacking on it. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward: not at work) - talk 07:58, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

I've just posted a comment at Template talk:Infobox which refers to this discussion and picks up on some of the points made here. Regards. PC78 (talk) 03:06, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Template:Infobox actor

Any chance you could offer your input on the impending merge of this template? The only sticking point appears to be a tracking category in that template for articles without images (i.e. what we do with it), otherwise I think we're good to redirect it to {{Infobox person}}. PC78 (talk) 14:27, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

I've left a note. I think it's safe just deleting it, because it's not really a "tracking category" so much as a huge list of wanted work which will likely never go away. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward: not at work) - talk 14:54, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

Sesame Oil?

Hi i have updated the lead for Sesame Oil. Please check and confirm if the modifications conform to the guidelines now....

J mareeswaran (talk) 19:13, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Great work. Thanks! I've de-tagged and tidied the infobox. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward: not at work) - talk 20:40, 10 September 2010 (UTC)