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Let's Get Together and Swing

Here's a listen to the ladies' first record! :) We hope (talk) 21:08, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

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Jonathan & Darlene

Since we have television appearances, a magazine interview and a radio one, do you think the Television section should be titled something like "Media appearances"? We hope (talk) 22:02, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

That's interesting, because I never knew why Avakian was so bent on the name of Jonathan Edwards! Dick Whittinghill went from being a Pied Piper to a long, successful career in LA radio, so he knew them both quite well from those years. He was well-known for his on-air jokes and parodies. Let me see what I can get done here now that RL has quieted down a bit for today. :) We hope (talk) 00:33, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

PS Since the clip of the Shower of Stars is not under copyright, would it help to get some screen captures of Jack Benny & Ed Wynn trying to "sell" the song to Jo & Paul before they go into Jonathan and Darlene? It looks like this is the only video of them as the Edwardses; haven't seen any sort of copy of the Garry Moore show. We hope (talk) 01:10, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Got some last night I'll work on. BTW, we need to change all refs for Time magazine to note that they're now pay-per view or by subscription. Their archives used to be free. :( We hope (talk) 15:50, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Am now trying to catch them on other pages. ;) We hope (talk) 17:06, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Screen captures

OK-have done 6 of them, all from the part of the skit where Benny and Wynn are trying to get the Westons to say they'll record the song.

• File:Shower of Stars 1.jpg
• File:Shower of Stars 2.jpg
• File:Shower of Stars 3.jpg
• File:Shower of Stars 4.jpg
• File:Shower of Stars 5.jpg
• File:Shower of Stars 6.jpg

See if you like any of them for the article. We hope (talk) 18:47, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

I try to get a few captures when I can, so there can be a choice. We hope (talk) 19:27, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

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More on Jo

File:Jo Stafford Supper Club 1945.JPG Got this and something else came with it; the press release with the actual date she joined Chesterfield Supper Club. We hope (talk) 17:19, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

I have a lot more material on Paul, but probably won't be able to start with it until about the middle of next week at the earliest (RL again :-)). Let me try checking on the Emmy info and if I find that, will post it with link here. We hope (talk) 18:03, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

Primetime Emmy Database search BEST FEMALE SINGER - 1955-nominee.

The database bit is sort of confusing because they keep moving it on the website. Looks like I'll need to re-do some Como-related links because of that. We hope (talk) 18:14, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

The search used to be more directly visible and was done differently. I had it linked on some Como pages and need to check re: some other people who worked with him to see if the link is there and if so, change it. It was more explicit about being a past winners'/nominees' search when I did the older links for Como. We hope (talk) 18:28, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

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Don't feel bad-re new blacklisted links

The other day, someone made a mistake on the Como article. It would probably have been easy to fix if I hadn't kept getting told about the otr ref being blacklisted. This was before the damn bot ran, so I had no idea other than being told I couldn't save the page because of the blacklisted link. :-)

While looking for a replacement for the Johnny Mercer's Music Shop link, I found that there are about 4 volumes of transcripts from the show now recorded and sold. They do feature Jo and Paul quite a bit. Are you interested in any links for these records/CDs? We hope (talk) 21:12, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

The only thing I can think of re: OTR links is that they sell copies of the old radio programs on the site. I had to remove them from many Como pages and one from Red Skelton, as there was a link there for his Avalon Time radio show. :( Do we have a board or center for questions about banned links because this makes it hard for those who work on articles about the old radio shows?

Will get hold of links for the Music Shop material and hope that if some have to be from Amazon, that it's not banned now too. ;) We hope (talk) 22:02, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Well, I asked, so let's see what happens. We hope (talk) 22:37, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Johnny Mercer's Music Shop

There are at least six of these:

• first one

Artist : Johnny Mercer

Title : Johnny Mercer's Music Shop

Side 1 : Conversation while dancing / The day after forever / Steamboat Bill / Don't fence me in / Rain / Fare thee well to Harlem

Side 2 : Sweet Georgia Brown / It could happen to you / Tired teddy bear / Amor / Somebody loves me / Button up your overcoat / I'll be seeing you

Label : Artistic

Catalogue No : ART 002 - UK pressing

Year : 1982

• Volume II

Audio CD (September 20, 2011) Original Release Date: 2011 Number of Discs: 1 Label: Sounds Of Yesteryear ASIN: B005BY934Y

A total of 26 tracks listed at the Amazon link.

• Volume III

Audio CD (October 16, 2012) Original Release Date: 2012 Number of Discs: 1 Label: Sounds Of Yesteryear ASIN: B008SVS2DA

Total of 28 tracks at the Amazon link.

• Volume IV

Audio CD (November 20, 2012) Original Release Date: 2012 Number of Discs: 1 Label: Sounds Of Yesteryear ASIN: B0097RF7UU

32 tracks at the Amazon link.

• Volume V

Music Shop, Vol. 5 Sounds of Yesteryear 2013

24 tracks at AllMusic.

• Volume VI

Audio CD (October 15, 2013) Original Release Date: 2013 Number of Discs: 1 Label: Sounds Of Yesteryear ASIN: B00EAZYS54

24 tracks at the link. We hope (talk) 12:48, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

And maybe if you talk about it a bit, the friends and family might put a couple in your Christmas stocking. :-) We hope (talk) 14:37, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

On this day

Oba Chandler is appearing on the "On this day" section right now. I added it and it was accepted to appear.--BabbaQ (talk) 13:44, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

Great news. Paul MacDermott (talk) 15:12, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

Do you think making an article about the Peru Two Michaella McCollum and Melissa Reid would be possible? Now especially since it seems to be a long drawn out thing with the prosecutors now not accepting their pleas. I want to hear your opinion.--BabbaQ (talk) 20:54, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

I have thought about it, but hadn't really got round to doing anything. There's a redirect at Michaella McCollum and Melissa Reid if you wanted to make a start. Paul MacDermott (talk) 21:03, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

I have started a stub on the Peru Two. Take a look when you got the time.--BabbaQ (talk) 20:43, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

That looks fine. Once all the legal stuff is over it can be expanded. Paul MacDermott (talk) 20:51, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

I have a feeling this case could drag out for many years for these girls. Much like Schapelle Corby for example.--BabbaQ (talk) 20:54, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

You're probably right. I've just been reading that the prosecution have objected to their guilty pleas. I think when the sentencing takes place there'll be more information about the case. Paul MacDermott (talk) 21:02, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

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Hello, Paul. You recently created Sherafiyah Lewthwaite, but as a redirect to itself. I'm sure that's not what you meant to do, but I can't tell what your intent was. I hope you can fix this. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 20:39, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, Russ. It was meant to redirect to Samantha Lewthwaite, but something went a bit awry, I think. :) Have fixed it now though. Paul MacDermott (talk) 22:01, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

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Hi, I'm JD3rulo. The thing is that I'm a huge fan of Jessie J, I have made changes in her page, but other users have removed them, replying that the links I referred to don't belong to reliable sources. So I'm wondering if you could dedicate part of your time in helping me to fill some topics that are abandoned, such as Jessie J's vocal type, range and also writing updated news about her career lately. I hope you can help me, cause it seems Jessie's page has been forgotten. If you need some help to write about any article or making research, you can count on me, so this is the only thing I can give you: my friendship to make wikipedia a better and updated site. Chao, have a nice day!JD3rulo (talk) 10:09, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

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Was reading the page BBC Coventry & Warwickshire, page seems fine, but dont you think there are too many external links? OccultZone (talk) 18:28, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

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I was going by the website - it listed Saturday mornings as presenter-less 10am-2pm. --Donagluithan (talk) 15:32, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

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Trivia

I'm not going to get into a discussion of *if* reverting "good faith" but incorrect edits consititutes "3R", but I will say that using the "3R" threat is a standard crutch for those that have WP:OWN issues. Continued reverts of clearly correct edits to clearly incorrect edits does not fall under "3R" because it is correcting vandalism.

Now... "In Popular Culture" is a synanym for "Trivia". Properly title it or get rid of it. And, please note that while "trivia" is (some people say) "discuraged", it is not disallowed. Why do you think there is a "Trivia" tag? There are two - and only two - proper choices: Properly title "Trivia" as trivia and tag it with the "trivia" tag, or delete it.

Calling what is clearly trivia "In Popular Culture" is what is called "disigenuous" because it is a specific attempt to include trivia without calling it "Trivia". They are the same thing.

Why not be honest? Why be disigenuous?

The "high road" at Wikipedia would be to get rid of all trivia - that is, "In Popular Culture".

Seriously, Paul, what does "In Popular Culture" mean? It's "trivia". =//= Johnny Squeaky 19:15, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Replied on your talk page. Paul MacDermott (talk) 19:24, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Replied to your comment. Thanks for your views on this subject, please consider my opinion with an open mind. =//= Johnny Squeaky 19:34, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

One more note:

It takes TWO to "edit war". Have you left a "nastygram" for "TheycallmetheDoctor" as well, or are you singling me out because you disagree with my position? Most people would consider that an unfair bias. Otherwise known as a "kangaroo court". As for civility, I have been nothing but, and your accusation is offensive (and uncivil). Please don't do it again. =//= Johnny Squeaky 19:26, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Replied on your talk page. Paul MacDermott (talk) 19:40, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

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SOLA2012

Hi

i just have a question >>> where can i find a sales albums site to use in WIKI beside RIAA ?????

Thanks sola$$$$$$$$ (talk) 16:13, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Not sure. Billboard might have some sales figures. You could try asking at WP:HELPDESK or WP:REFDESK, someone there should be able to point you in the right direction. Paul MacDermott (talk) 16:26, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Trivia

I realize that I have strong opinions about "trivia" vs "In Popular Culture". I believe they are essentially the same thing. I know that "trivia" is "discouraged" (note the quotes), yet in fact in reality it is not actually "discouraged", it is simply renamed "In Popular Culture". Are these not the same thing? Generally they are. I say: Accept trivia, or reject it, don't rename it.

I don't object to "trivia". But I think, as I said before, that engineering around the "dirtiness" of the "Trivia" title by calling trivia "In Popular Culture" is disingenuous and really, dishonest ( only slightly less ugly than "disingenuous" ), and not up to the high standard of quality content that Wikipedia should strive to. Call content what it is. Or, if it is "non-encyclopedic", get rid of it.

Honesty. That is they key.

I apologize if you interpret my words as "rude", it's not meant that way. I'm not a great communicator.

- Thanks, Jake =//= Johnny Squeaky 02:35, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Your recent comment on my talk page sounds like a threat. That's mighty uncivil of you. And yet again, you decline to talk about the actual issue, and instead take the low road. Shame on you. =//= Johnny Squeaky 15:36, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Clearly trying to give you helpful advice is about as useful as the proverbial chocolate teapot. The shame here is that you chose not to enter into the spirit of the discussion, but instead chose to argue technicalities that are not important. Paul MacDermott (talk) 16:37, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Worth noting

A recent discussion I had about the issue of repeated reverting that went round in circles and gave me a headache. It appeared across two threads so I thought it was worth keeping a copy of it as the other party has removed the half that appeared on their talk page. I have tried to reconstruct it as best I can. It begins after I issued a warning for edit warring. Enjoy. Paul MacDermott (talk) 15:53, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

A note on edit warring

I'm not going to get into a discussion of *if* reverting "good faith" but incorrect edits consititutes "3R", but I will say that using the "3R" threat is a standard crutch for those that have WP:OWN issues. Continued reverts of clearly correct edits to clearly incorrect edits does not fall under "3R" because it is correcting vandalism.

Now... "In Popular Culture" is a synanym for "Trivia". Properly title it or get rid of it. And, please note that while "trivia" is (some people say) "discuraged", it is not disallowed. Why do you think there is a "Trivia" tag? There are two - and only two - proper choices: Properly title "Trivia" as trivia and tag it with the "trivia" tag, or delete it.

Calling what is clearly trivia "In Popular Culture" is what is called "disigenuous" because it is a specific attempt to include trivia without calling it "Trivia". They are the same thing.

Why not be honest? Why be disigenuous?

Further to your edit summary. Trivia sections are discouraged; and most of the information in that section is unverified anyway, so there's a strong argument for removing it completely. On the issue of edit warring, you have reverted other people's changes three times now, which Wikipedia guidelines regard as edit warring. I suggest you stop. Paul MacDermott (talk) 19:12, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

As I've made very few edits to the article, I can hardly be accused of WP:OWN, and might I suggest you read WP:CIVIL before your next posting. guidelines. A trivia section can contain other information, apart from references in popular culture, and tends to be a magnet for factoids that people want to insert, but can't be bothered to find somewhere in the main body of the text. I think both you and Doctor need to chill out. Paul MacDermott (talk) 19:23, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

You are talking in circles. "In Popular Culture" contains the same trivia and Trivia. Synanyms. Same content, different name. You can't have it both ways and be honest with yourself.

Now, I'll tell you this: I can stop changing "In Popular Culture" to the more accurate "Trivia", but I certainly will not stop adding the "trivia" info box tag. It's trivia. Think it through.

And, yet again, "trivia" is "discuraged" in one or two "policy" discussions. But NOWHERE is trivia banned, dissallowed, officially verboten, or otherwise defined as persona non grata. Therefore it is allowed. But, it must be properly titled if we are to be honest and accurate about the true nature of the content.

By the way, when issuing "3R" nastygrams, keep in mind "it takes two to tango". Thus, such counciling should be ballanced and not lopsided. =//= Johnny Squeaky 19:33, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

It takes TWO to "edit war". Have you left a "nastygram" for "TheycallmetheDoctor" as well, or are you singling me out because you disagree with my position? Most people would consider that an unfair bias. Otherwise known as a "kangaroo court". As for civility, I have been nothing but, and your accusation is offensive (and uncivil). Please don't do it again. =//= Johnny Squeaky 19:26, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Replied on your talk page. Paul MacDermott (talk) 19:40, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Check my edit history, and you'll see that I did. Now, in the light of that, do you want to re-examine your posting on my talk page? Paul MacDermott (talk) 19:39, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Not at all. It's a general comment to those who abuse the "3R" issue and turn it into an uncivilized threat, which is used WAY too often (with all the "stop sign" graphics and everything else that scream "I know better than you, so stop doing what I don't like!!!") by cabals of "editors" who like to throw "power" around to achieve their personal views. Such "editors" often resort to what is known as "Wikilawyering" to smother alternative views in an avalanche of arcane rules and "commentaries" (not unlike Torah commentaries) to smother out views that they disagree with. Interestingly, most of the time these "warnings" are dished out without consensus or discussion. Many people get fed up with the "social cliques" of the "high powered" Wiki editors that "shout down" alternative views, and so they simply leave. This is a disservice to Wikipedia.

Significantly, along these same lines, I see you have decided not to comment on the actual subject, but instead become "offended" at an unrelated side issue. Please consider that actual subject, which is "trivia". Again, "In Popular Culture" is a synonym for "Trivia", exactly by common definition - and indeed by actual content - they are the same thing. Are you willing to think about this idea with an open mind and discuss it? Good day.

=//= Johnny Squeaky 20:54, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

My question actually referred to the final comments you left on my talk page re the so-called "nastygram", but never mind. The template you complained about isn't uncivil, but really a heads up to say "do you know you're edit warring?" and "if not, then check out these links". Edit warring catches out the best of us. I once got blocked for it, so I wouldn't want to see it happen to someone else who didn't know about it. Now chill out and stop getting stressed about this. It all happened several hours ago now, and life really is too short to expend unnecessary energy on such things. Paul MacDermott (talk) 00:32, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Reverting inaccurate and / or vandalist ( the "politically correct" term is "edits in good faith" ) edits is not a matter of the "3R" rule. =//= Johnny Squeaky 02:53, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Joni James edits

Johnny, I see this is now the third person's changes you've reverted on this page. I'm going to leave it as it is, but I strongly suggest that you refrain from altering it again if someone else changes it. I see you've recently been in trouble and blocked for edit warring, and despite your claims to the contrary, this looks like classic edit warring behaviour to me. Of course you are entitled to make changes (that is the whole idea of Wikipedia after all), but what you shouldn't do is engage in an edit war with someone if they do not agree with your changes, and/or attempt to cherrypick from phrases in the guidelines that you believe support your point of view. You were not correcting vandalism the other day, you were merely reverting something because you didn't happen to like it. I seriously urge you to think about what you're doing in future. Paul MacDermott (talk) 11:31, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

That sounds like a threat. That's mighty uncivil of you. And yet again, you decline to talk about the actual issue, and instead take the low road. Shame on you. =//= Johnny Squeaky 15:34, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

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Thanks, I suspect the film will get it's own article at some point, but it may be worth mentioning somewhere in the Joanna Yeates article. I'll have a think about the best place to do that. Paul MacDermott (talk) 14:34, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

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A strange one

Hey Paul MacD, how are you? I've missed your GARs – but then I could always get around to returning favours sometime, I guess ...

Anyway, I've got a real strange one here ... If you're not too busy, would you be able to look in at User talk:Quadell#mirror images? It's regarding a new Harrison biography, which – well, it basically rips off Wikipedia's Harrison album and song articles. Mighty strange, mighty true, and mighty weird.

What I'm hoping is, you might want to follow the link from Quadell's page and hit "helpful" on my Amazon review for the book – which I've signed as "HariG". In the interests of drawing attention to this issue – which, the more I think about it, is really concerning and far-reaching – I'd simply like to ensure that the review is helpful=popular enough to register in the listing's main space. Quite understand if you'd rather not of course (but I hope you do!). Many thanks. Best, JG66 (talk) 18:28, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

Hi again Paul. Just wanted to say thanks for your message and your support with this issue. I think the next step, apart from looking into some of Quadell's suggestions, is for me to write to the publishers with a detailed list of all the (let's be charitable …) overlaps between the book and the Wikipedia articles. What a drag – every time I look at it, I see something new ... Oh, and I don't want you to think I was suggesting you should be doing GARs again, by the way. It's high time I did some reviewing, given all the help I've received – and how at times I've had five or six song articles contributing to the backlog! Thanks again, JG66 (talk) 01:02, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

No worries, let me know how it goes. Paul MacDermott (talk) 12:14, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

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Joanna Yeates

This article might interest you. And this as well.--BabbaQ (talk) 10:26, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for those. I've added a bit more about the drama, but think it'll probably need to have its own article as more information becomes available. Quite surprised ITV are doing something about this so soon though. It's all still fairly recent. Paul MacDermott (talk) 13:34, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I made a small mention in the article as you noticed, and I agree with you that the drama will probably needs it's own article pretty soon when more information becomes available.--BabbaQ (talk) 13:47, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Gabriela Isler

Hi, I have included a well sourced incident concerning Gabriela Isler in her article. Now another user who is a evident pageant fan and huge fan of Isler removes the sourced material. And he also left me a quite nasty message at my talk page. I might be wrong but I think Wikipedia should not censor material even if it does not favour the person. Perhaps a change of the "controversy"name or similar would do. We have other Miss Universe winners articles which includes similar material of incidents such a Leila Lopes. Isler is a public figure now and tweets about a president is notable in this context I think. Regards, --BabbaQ (talk) 13:56, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Please leave a message to the user explaining this. He only keeps harrassing me so. Regards,--BabbaQ (talk) 15:39, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

vauxhall heli crash

State of England doesn't exist. Internationally we have just United Kingdom.

Replied on your talk page. Paul MacDermott (talk) 13:20, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

McStay family murder

Hi, I would like to get your opinion about making an article about the McStay family murder, you know the family that went missing in California in 2010 and was found murdered last week in the dessert. There are alot of material so let me know what you think before I proceed with anything.--BabbaQ (talk) 17:33, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

I'm not personally familiar with the case, we don't seem to have had much news coverage of it here in the UK, but news has been dominated this week by the Lambeth slavery case among other things. Sounds like something that would be notable though, and I see there's some international coverage, so I'd say go for it. Paul MacDermott (talk) 17:50, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Just noticed we have 2011 murder of the Ding family which was a notable case in the UK, so I think an article about the McStay family murder would be ok. Paul MacDermott (talk) 13:42, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

Yes. I have made an article on the McStay family murder. Take a look,--BabbaQ (talk) 20:45, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

Looks interesting. Paul MacDermott (talk) 22:14, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

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Hi there, I see that you are a reasonably seasoned editor, so I'm a bit surprised you coming along and removing redlinks from articles. Have a read of Wikipedia:Red link. Schwede66 17:17, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

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Peru Two

The Peru Two finally got their sentences today.--BabbaQ (talk) 22:22, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, I just caught something about this on BBC News, but didn't see the whole thing. Here's a link to the story, but I'll have to do some research before I can do anything with the article. Paul MacDermott (talk) 00:16, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

I have created a stub about the Disappearance of Jayden Parkinson a case which has becomed a "new Joanna Yeates" story in the UK. With alot of coverage.--BabbaQ (talk) 13:54, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

It has had a lot of coverage, but I suspect there'll be an afd discussion about it in the next few hours. Paul MacDermott (talk) 14:05, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

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I do thank you and I would like to apologize for my behavior. I thought you were doing some vandalism toward my contributions. I was being immature and I hope you will excuse me.

I read the Wikipedia rules and I will now try to write the things I still think are important to be said about The Girl (with sources talking about the topic).

Thank you again. Fay1682 (talk) 21:43, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

I can't tell you how sorry I still am... it's was childish from me. But right now, I did improve The Girl again and I would like to know if you can take a look at it. Thank you Fay1682 (talk) 22:41, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

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Joanna Yeates

Some interesting developments in the Yeates case. [1]. [2].[3].[4].--BabbaQ (talk) 21:31, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

My apologies for not responding on Friday, I don't seem to have been alerted about this message, and missed it when a later one was posted. I've tweaked your addition to the article a bit, and will look into starting a page about the film. There seems to be enough material about it now to get something underway. Paul MacDermott (talk) 09:52, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Another page archive source

The Wayback Machine is now offering "Save Page Now" and will archive any present internet page if the site allows crawlbots. Unlike WebCite, there's no need to give an e-mail addy, but you'll need to bookmark the pages you archive because Wayback Machine doesn't send you a copy of the link. We hope (talk) 00:17, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

WebCite hasn't worked for me for a few months, so thanks for the link. I just tested it out by archiving the url for this BBC story and it's working really well. Paul MacDermott (talk) 20:22, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Didn't know WebCite wasn't working. Quit using it after it made my A/V go off whenever I tried to go to the site to archive. Is there somewhere we could copy the information re: Wayback's page archiving so others who'd like to use it would know it exists? We hope (talk) 15:49, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Not sure if it's actually stopped working or whether it was just me. It seemed to coincide with upgrading to Windows 7, after which I couldn't get it to archive anything, so I could've done something wrong. We have a how-to guide for the Wayback Machine, but it looks like it's a bit out of date. I don't know if there's a WikiProject that covers this sort of thing, but it might be worth asking at WP:HELPDESK. Paul MacDermott (talk) 16:24, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

If I remember correctly, WC had said in its fundraising that if it became necessary to shut down, it would maintain the database, but just not allow any new archiving. You can try testing it like this without going to the site:

• http://webcitation.org/archive?url=urltoarchive&email=youremail

• replacing urltoarchive with the full URL of the page to be archived, and youremail with your e-mail address.

WebCite's article mentions the "Save Page Now" on Wayback; I think the Internet Archive article would be about right with a new section on their archiving feature, which started at the end of October of this year. We hope (talk)

Just did the section I spoke of above on the Internet Archive article. We hope (talk) 17:00, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks again for the link. I had better success using it this way. The article Most storm-hit homes 'to get power back on Sunday' has archived here, so it looks like it'll be usable until they decide whether or not to freeze it. I think mentioning this at the Internet archive article is definitely a good idea. Paul MacDermott (talk) 17:11, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

If they do shut down, I think your new WebCite would be fine, as they promised to maintain everything there prior to that point, if it happens. We hope (talk) 17:19, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

That's good, I wouldn't want to have to search for and re-archive everything again. :) I've just been looking for a possible date when it might close, and came across this discussion which you might find interesting. It looks like WM have proposed taking the service over, although I don't know if that's happened. Paul MacDermott (talk) 17:53, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Seems like there's been no new talk since September. See that there were server issues and they were in the process of moving to another one at Amazon. Looks like he knows money's needed but can't decide how to solve that problem. We hope (talk) 18:37, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

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site:google.com/newspapers "the Berlin wall"-example of how to now locate old newspapers. Search is now done through Google web and not via Google news as it was previously.

Even though these newspapers have moved, any links to them in use remain the same.

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Ever since they decided to stop scanning newspapers, the search has been difficult. It's also been limited in the number of hits it will display. :( (Am hoping we get some news archive subscriptions here because of that.) Google Books also hasn't been working right for some time, especially for searching magazines. Going through Billboard used to be easy; now it's a chore to try to "beat" what you're looking for out of it. We hope (talk) 23:02, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

There are times when the news stories turn up easier for me when I use Bing search. We hope (talk) 23:04, 30 December 2013 (UTC)