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Discussion about all-caps text at Talk:The Masked Singer (American season 4)Edit

There's the start of a discussion at Talk:The Masked Singer (American season 4)#All-caps in table.

The table looks like this (I've redacted names to avoid spoilers)

Results
Stage name Celebrity Occupation(s) Episodes
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 12
Group A Group B A B Group C A B C
(redacted) (redacted) (redacted) SAFE SAFE WIN WIN WINNER
(redacted) (redacted) (redacted) SAFE SAFE RISK WIN RUNNER-UP
(redacted) (redacted) (redacted) SAFE SAFE SAFE WIN THIRD
(redacted) (redacted) (redacted) SAFE SAFE SAFE OUT
(redacted) (redacted) (redacted) SAFE SAFE WIN OUT
(redacted) (redacted) (redacted) SAFE SAFE RISK OUT

I'm not wild about the colour contrast, which could certainly be improved, but I find all-caps text difficult to read, so that's what caught my attention.

If you'd like to engage in the discussion, please do so there. — OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk; please {{ping}} me in replies) 10:08, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

Discussion regarding map colours on 2022 Russian invasion of UkraineEdit

Just thought I'd alert the WikiProject to this Talk:2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine#Map_is_useless_for_color-blind_people. — Czello 09:16, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

The Convert template and fractional valuesEdit

  FYI
 – Pointer to relevant discussion elsewhere.

Please see Talk:East Lancashire Railway#The convert thing. This concerns how screen readers call out constructs like 12+12-mile (20 km). --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 11:55, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Feedback request at Talk:2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine#Changing the main map to the colourblind-friendly versionEdit

Hi all. I would like to invite editors from Wikipedia:WikiProject Accessibility to offer their feedback in the discussion Talk:2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine#Changing the main map to the colourblind-friendly version. Thanks! Melmann 18:02, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia:Edit filter/False positives/Reports § HegelaciEdit

There's a discussion at Wikipedia:Edit filter/False positives/Reports § Hegelaci about off-left tripping an edit filter about absolute positioning. WikiProject participants may wish to contribute there. — OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk; please {{ping}} me in replies) 10:18, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

Feedback requested – attempted addition of screen-reader compatibility to {{Scarf}}Edit

I was trying to work out how to add alt text to the {{Scarf}} template which produces a visual representation of an academic scarf. Because it's implemented as a table, to allow for taking up variable width, editor-specified colours etc. (even though it acts more like an image) it doesn't have an alt attribute.

The solution I came up with was a "description" parameter which, if used, renders the provided text as a screenreader-only snippet and adds the aria-hidden="true" attribute to the table. The intent is for screenreaders to completely ignore the table and just read a hidden description of the pattern.

I've added descriptions to some of the built-in patterns. Here is how they appear:

Newnham College— Scarf colours: grey, with a central broad band of navy, itself divided in two by a narrow gold stripe

King's College— Scarf colours: royal purple, with two equally-spaced narrow white stripes

Jesus College— Scarf colours: three equal stripes of red and black, with red in the middle on one side of the scarf, and black in the middle on the other

Is that an improvement? To me, when I turn my screenreader on it now describes the pattern and doesn't cause any unanticipated issues. But I don't ordinarily use a screenreader so I would like some feedback from those who do on whether this is a helpful change before adding any more descriptions. Charlie A. (talk) 15:11, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

@Charlie A.: Thanks, that's much better! There is actually a template for this kind of situation, {{Screen reader-only}}, which could be more appropriate (but I don't really know what the advantages/disadvantages are between your approach and the templates'). The pseudo-alt text reads fine in both the Windows screen readers I have here. I had no idea about the existence of the scarf template before, let alone its previous inaccessibility. Graham87 08:39, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
@Charlie Awesome: Redoing ping. Graham87 08:40, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
Great, glad it works as expected for you too. I actually used {{Screen reader-only}} within the scarf template to generate the snippet that gets read, so glad I'm using it correctly – was slightly concerned this was too much of a fudge/wasn't applied correctly. Not surprised you've not come across the scarf template, it's used on very niche subset of articles! Time to write some more descriptions... (cf Academic scarf) Charlie A. (talk) 09:13, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

Emojis do not display in some Chrome browsersEdit

While searching wikipedia for a strange blank box character appearing on some web pages, I saw that the Emoji page was not rendering all the emojis on Google Chrome (apparently a known deficiency). I then added this to the talk page:

== Emojis do not display in some Chrome browsers ==

In the section "Emoji versus text presentation", Google Chrome on Windows 8 renders the first emoji character as a blank box. In Firefox it renders as expected. Should Wikipedia add an image to avoid confounding the reader? I.e., should wikipedia pages be accessible to the widest variety of users, and not merely those with the latest versions of browsers and operating systems? -84user (talk) 12:11, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

-84user (talk) 12:33, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

@84user: it's annoying that emojis aren't universal across browsers and operating systems; however, we do have MOS:ICON, which "encompasses any small images – including logos, crests, coats of arms, seals, flags – or other decoration, whether produced by small image files, typographic dingbats, emojis, or CSS display manipulation".
It's typically good practice to use emojis, and any other icons, as sparingly as possible for reasons of display and accessibility. As far as I know, emojis themselves aren't considered suitable for use in article text unless it's unavoidable, and they're covered under MOS:ICON.--Ineffablebookkeeper (talk) ({{ping}} me!) 13:23, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
What gets displayed (or read out by screen readers) will depend upon several factors, such as: the operating system; installed fonts; the browser and version. For example, the small red rose in my sig displays in three different ways on my two PCs and my mother's laptop, all using Firefox but different versions of Windows. Opera just shows a blank rectangle.
One advantage of emojis over images is size. The one in my signature occupies just seven bytes, I know of none that exceed ten. PNG images, on the other hand, will be a minimum of 69 bytes - and that's for just one pixel. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 20:26, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

discussion at Template talk:FractionEdit

There's a discussion at Template talk:Fraction#Fractions are not readable with screen readers or virtual assistants. KaraLG84 (talk) 13:01, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

Module:RoundN background colorsEdit

A discussion was started at Module talk:RoundN § Medal colors for gold/silver/bronze, aiming to change the module's background colors in favor of more accessible ones. Please, join us in it, as we lack experience in the subject. CLalgo (talk) 13:22, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

Question about how screen readers handle List of presidents of the United StatesEdit

Hi, a question came up at the FLC for List of presidents of the United States. Specifically, several of the cells in the table use "----" (which results in a horizontal line) as a separator between multiple items in a single cell, such as if a single president had two terms, then the "election" column has two items separated by that line. Can anyone tell us how screen readers handle these cells? Is it intelligible? Thanks! --PresN 18:01, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

I've replied there. Graham87 03:20, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

Template grc-translEdit

I just came across {{grc-transl}}, which takes Ancient Greek text and gives an automatic transliteration. However, I'm not sure if this actually encodes the relevant text with a language tag like {{lang}}, or doesn't, like {{Script/Hebrew}}.

I'd appreciate if someone could check, though I'm not entirely sure the template itself needs to exist...would be nice to see this function rolled into {{lang}} or something.--Ineffablebookkeeper (talk) ({{ping}} me!) 10:10, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

The first on the list at Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Grc-transl is Anatomy, in which I find {{grc-transl|ἀνατομή}}anatomḗ and the final HTML for that is <span title="Ancient Greek transliteration" lang="grc-Latn"><i>anatomḗ</i></span>. Whilst grc-Latn is probably intended to indicate ancient Greek written in Latin script, it's not a valid ISO 639-3 code. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 06:41, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
The lang attribute takes a BCP 47 value (see MDN), and grc-Latn is correct for Ancient Greek in Latin script (checked with this tool). the wub "?!" 09:41, 16 August 2022 (UTC)