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Recruit template on Watts Up With That?

Hi. On Talk:Watts Up With That? on 26 May 2015 you added a "recruit" template, citing WP:FTN (apparently a reference to something in this discussion though I don't see it). Is this obsolete and okay to delete now? Peter Gulutzan (talk) 15:39, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

Hi Peter, I added it as a result of this, a discussion which you participated in at the time. IIRC the issue was mentioned on FTN as well. While I haven't been closely following the topic area, I'm inclined to say the notification should remain, given that the original canvassing attempt still exists, and that the blog author may repeat this behavior if the article flares up again in the future. Sunrise (talk) 20:33, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

As you wish. Peter Gulutzan (talk) 23:39, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

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Hello Sunrise! Just now I came across your essay that you mentioned. In your opinion, what are the major issues in Wikipedia currently? What measures should be taken for those? THE NEW ImmortalWizard(chat) 00:10, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

Hi ImmortalWizard, I don't think such a broad question has a straightforward answer, especially since it depends on things like what an "ideal Wikipedia" would look like. If I were to try to write something up, I would need to give it a great deal of thought first, and probably run a lot of analyses using information I don't even know how to retrieve at this point. :-) Sunrise (talk) 08:47, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

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Request history merge

I was told not cute and paste the draft.[1] I request a history merge. The draft renders the current article moot. QuackGuru (talk) 23:19, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

Hi QuackGuru, I believe that this is intended to supersede that comment, but you could ask Ivanvector to confirm. I would also recommend checking over the article edits to make sure that none of them are relevant to the new version, unless e.g. you've already been doing that after each edit. (And in case it becomes relevant with respect to any history merge, I'm not an admin so I wouldn't be able to do anything that you can't do yourself.) Sunrise (talk) 05:16, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

I think Ivanvector is very busy at the moment. I already checked the current version and cleaned up the article for the draft. Anything that was worth merging is already part of the draft. QuackGuru (talk) 16:15, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

Hi QuackGuru, sorry I haven't replied to your pings, I can't say I have a good reason, I've just been doing other things. I think that with all the back-and-forth the two versions of the article are too complicated to properly merge their histories. If you've achieved consensus, please insert whichever version has consensus into the article, even if it's a cut-and-paste merge. We can preserve the history of the draft as a sub-page and use an attribution note to satisfy the guidelines. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 21:24, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

Done. The only issue left is the strange article name. The article name Electric smoking system is not found in any sources. I will let someone else fix the article name. QuackGuru (talk) 01:37, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

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Nicotine articles

Read the following content:

"Finally, and most importantly, citations. The point of citations is to make it easy for the reader to assess and access the original sources of information. Fulltext links, catalogue links, and page numbers all assist in this process. The only halfway respectable reason I can think of for removing such information is if one's publisher insists on a rigid referencing format which will not accommodate it. Wikimedia is not such a publisher. It seems to me that removing such information unequivocally degrades the citation. I can't figure out why you thought (or possibly still think?) that removing this information improved the encyclopedia. Could you please explain what you were thinking? Have you ever done this anywhere else on Wikimedia projects? You are right to say that it will take a lot of time to go through each citation and compare each one, and restore the degraded citations. That is why I am asking you to do it. I think that it is your responsibility. HLHJ (talk) 00:55, 14 January 2019 (UTC)"[2]

Also read this comment.

In the edit summary the editor mentioned frustration.

In the edit summary the editor mentioned they are upset.

There is an editor who is unhappy with the content of a few articles. I think the editor is adding failed verification content and there may be a competency issue. When editing Wikipedia affects an editor's brain by making them unhappy then admins should step in. I don't think it is healthy for the mental state for the editor to continue to edit this topic area. I don't want to continue to cause mental pain to another editor just because I am just improving nicotine-related articles. I did not create this situation. The problematic edits continue.[3][4] The pages are under DS. QuackGuru (talk) 19:52, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

Hi QG, I'd rather not comment on the actual dispute. That said, if merely being frustrated by a particular situation were grounds for sanctions, I think we would have a lot fewer editors! Sunrise (talk) 01:09, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

This pizza was baked for four hours. It is, like the tobacco in these products, charred, but most of the carbon has not oxidized and it has not been reduced to ash (see carbonization).

This is an electric smoking system. The current title makes no sense.

Adding an image of a pizza is growing evidence that there is no actual content dispute.[5] QuackGuru (talk) 01:47, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

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Looking for a name

A few years back, we had a delightful little bit of a conversation about the "by definition" problem.[6] And now it would be useful to me know to know whether there is a name for that problem. Do you happen to know? (Please ping; my watchlist is hopeless.) WhatamIdoing (talk) 05:29, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

Hi WhatamIdoing! My apologies for the delay in responding, as I haven’t been around recently. I don't know of any term specifically for the idea of disagreeing based on the definition when everyone agrees on the actual substance. As such, I ended up writing down a few of my thoughts on related subjects with a lot of wikilinks included, in the hopes that you’d be able to find something useful. I've actually been sitting on this comment since last week since I didn't think it was a very good answer. :-)

• The first thing that comes to mind is the map-territory relation (although that may be because I was doing some reading on it recently). The article doesn’t look all that good, but the general concept being described is that definitions are artificial human constructs created for the purposes of communication, and that it’s important to distinguish the label from reality.
• The issue of defining words can actually be represented as a problem in statistical classification, since each word defines a category and each category member (or potential member) varies in its individual characteristics.
• If you’re interested in the specific mistakes in reasoning that might show up in this context, some that come to mind are: reification, treating definitions as real things in themselves rather than artificial human-created concepts (e.g. treating definitions as immutable/invariable, or otherwise being a property of external reality); the fallacy of composition, where you treat a specific characteristic as necessarily being the defining characteristic (rather than having a spectrum of “more typical” and “less typical” examples); or the mind projection fallacy where the map is treated as the territory (e.g. failing to recognize that different people may use different definitions).
• Of course, in discussions there are also issues like making sure the use of definitions is consistent (i.e. avoiding equivocation) and making sure none of the arguments are contingent on a particular term having a particular meaning (particularly avoiding persuasive definitions) - those are a couple of the other things that I try to be careful of.

Separately, it occurs to me that since you liked that essay, you might also be interested in the rest of the series, which was recently edited into a book and is free online here. The section on the use of language is in part 3, and is also summarized here. Sunrise (talk) 22:34, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

This is a great list. I'm still studying it, but I wanted to start by saying thanks for posting it. WhatamIdoing (talk) 14:46, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

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Roc Ordman request to restore and update page

I just posted a request to have the Roc Ordman page replaced. I had a wiki page for many years after my 1994 discovery of the optimum dosage of vitamin C. Someone deleted it without my knowledge. Then someone restored it recently, and it was again deleted. I hope you can help restore the page. I recently developed two inexpensive nutritional supplements to reduce the risk for cancer and heart disease, and to reduce the risk for Alzheimer's and Parkinson's. My company's new website is TriumphHealthCorp.com. The supplements are based on peer-reviewed scientific publications showing the mechanisms by which the ingredients work. Please help me spread the word via wikipedia.Rocordman (talk) 15:46, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

@Rocordman: Happy to help, although I have to admit I’m not the most familiar with deletion processes. In general, your best chance is to have a comprehensive list of sources that discuss you or your work, with the idea of demonstrating that the outside world has “taken notice”, so to speak. The full policy for this is WP:Notability, which I would recommend going through carefully.

It looks like your biography was deleted as a result of this discussion. If you're looking for someone to explain the details to you, and/or to give you advice about whether or how the article can be recreated, my inclination is to say you should ask for advice at Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_deletion. If that isn't the correct venue to ask, they should at least know where it is you should go. I see you've already had a "speedy decline" at WP:Deletion review, so you should mention that in the same post as something that you've already tried. Since you have a draft, and especially since it's an updated version, I would also make a working copy (perhaps in your user sandbox) and point people to it so that they can see what you're proposing. If you need to look at a copy of the deleted article, I would put a request on your talk page that includes the {{helpme}} template (actually, that’s also probably a better way to get advice than asking me personally, as I may not be around). I'm also aware of the articles for creation process, although I’m not sure how they handle previously deleted articles, and they have a very long backlog.

A few disclaimers/cautions: it may simply not be possible to get the article recreated, if the judgement is that existing sources are not enough to justify a standalone article. Second, it’s possible that any recreated article may not look very much like your preferred version: e.g. it might be cut down to one or two sentences, or sources that criticize you might be given a prominent place. Finally, since this is about your own biography you have a conflict of interest, which means that you’re discouraged from editing or creating the article yourself, in favor of making proposals for independent editors to review. Sunrise (talk) 00:09, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

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Patience

Someone said I was getting impatience. After a year no improvements were made. In any event, I am no longer getting impatient. What do you think? Did I do good? QuackGuru (talk) 03:02, 3 October 2019 (UTC)

Hi QG, like I said to HLHJ I haven’t been following this topic, so I can't really address something that's this specific - in the other case I was only able to comment because of the abstract nature of the question. Sunrise (talk) 03:21, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

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Your last edit to Reincarnation included:

• "Memories reported during past-life regression have been investigated, and revealed historical inaccuracies that are easily explained through a basic knowledge of history, elements of popular culture or books that discuss historical events"

I don't understand if you mean that the inaccuracies in these memories are easily explained, or that the existence of [pseudo-]memories is easily explained by these people having a basic knowledge of history. Please clarify on the page! Clean Copy^talk 20:07, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for the message! This wording is from the existing content at Past life regression. I noticed the problem as well, but I left it as it was since I generally try to preserve the original version as much as possible when I transfer content between articles. One of the reasons for this is so that other editors don’t have to determine which parts of the new content come from the original source. That said, in this case the text is unclear enough that perhaps I should have updated it afterwards. I’ve edited the sentence to try and address the issue. Sunrise (talk) 05:54, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

Much clearer!! Clean Copy^talk 21:18, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

EU Strat Com

Tine Toft (talk) 09:35, 11 May 2020 (UTC)Hello Sunrise. I am interested in why you edited the EU Strat Com page as you did. Why did you not find the criticism piece relevant? Bets regards, Tine Toft, Tine Toft (talk) 09:35, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

My reasoning, which is not related to relevance, was given in my edit summary. Sunrise (talk) 17:56, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

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