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Your submission at Articles for creation: Masi Sadayan (February 9)

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MarcGarver (talk) 18:19, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Stymyrat! Having an article draft declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! MarcGarver (talk) 18:19, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

@MarcGarver: Thank You very much for reviewing the Draft:Masi Sadayan. As I understand the article does not meet the notability criteria. So, I would appreciate if you could help me understand better by answering the following

1. Is a person (one of the two persons!?) who is conferred with a country's fourth highest civilian award not notable? Then, may I ask, where can I find the notability criteria specific to awards and recognition?
2. //they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions)// I am wonderring about this conclusion, while five of the six references mentioned cover the topic extensively.
3. //published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject// My understanding is that all the references except the Padma Awardees 2023, meet this criteria. If my understanding is flawed, i would request your help in rectifying it.

Thanks.--Stymyrat (talk) 10:27, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

The award does not confer notability - thousands of people have been awarded it. It might help establish notability, but not everyone who gets the award is by default notable. The sources just talk about them getting the award. For this kind of subject there needs to be more about what they have done and how it is significantly notable. MarcGarver (talk) 12:38, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

@MarcGarver:Thank you again for your patient response. I got the partial answer for my three queries. So, I still need help.

//The sources just talk about them getting the award.// I beg to differ.

1. The python hunters, from the IndianExpress was published in 2017 and updated in 2018 - Five years before the announcement of the Padma Shri award. The page's short description summarizes its content //Celebrated in Florida for helping in the fight against its invasive Burmese python problem//
2. Bravehearts Vadivel and Sadaiyan shine a light for Irula cooperative, from The Hindu was published after the announcement of the award in 03 February 2013. But its focus is not about them getting the award, rather the plight of them and their tribe - Irula, despite them helping restore the ecological balance and saving people from poisonous snakes (or saving snakes from poisonous people as one might also infer :)
3. Irula Tribesmen Vadivel Gopal, Masi Sadaiyan Win Padma Shri, Twitter Hails Heroic Duo. Same applies to this article on News18 which was published on 27 January 2023 although to a lesser extent,
4. "பத்மஸ்ரீ விருதுன்னா என்ன?" விஷ பாம்புகளை பிடிக்கும் இந்த தமிழர்கள் இப்படி கேட்டது ஏன்? which roughly translates to "Why did these Tamils who catch poisonous snakes ask "What is Padma Shri award?" The article which appeared in BBC Tamil on 26 January 2023, (which is in Tamil) is more about their lives and snake catching practices, rather than them getting the award.

This article/draft creation is primarily an exercise for me in understanding the notability criteria.
"worthy of notice"

• //thousands of people have been awarded//, but not many from the marginalized sections of the society like the Irula Tribe
  
• Many people go to Thailand and the USA, but not many go to catch the elusive snakes and share their indigenous knowledge (in a foreign university!?) despite no formal education.

General Notability Criteria
"Presumed".

• Does the article violate any of "what Wikipedia is not"? NO
• is the article an indiscriminate collection of information? NO

"Significant coverage"

• Is it original research? NO
• Is the subject a trivial mention? Needs assessment (I understand NO)
• it does not need to be the main topic of the source material VALID

"Reliable"

• Sources may encompass published works in all forms and media, and in any language. VALID

"Sources"

• Are the sources secondary? YES
• Are the sources from a single author or an organisation? NO

"Independent of the subject"

• Is the article written by someone affiliated with the subject? NO
• Are the sources independent of the subject? YES

Biographies of living persons

• Neutral point of view (NPOV) Needs assessment (I understand VALID)
• Verifiability (V) VALID
• No original research (NOR) VALID

So the questions I now have are these:

• Is the content of the draft/article has verifiable facts? I consider YES
• Should the article merit a dedicated page or should its content be added in another existing page (if so Which one)? Needs clarity
• Is my way of thinking or approach about Notability right? Needs assessment (I presume right)

Can You help with them? and also I apologize for my inability write in brief (especially if You consider I am wasting Your time).--Stymyrat (talk) 20:57, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

It feels like you are missing the point. There are three news stories about me over the last ten years, but I'm not notable. One was when someone stopped me to interview me about why I chose to cycle to work and commented that I was helping improve the air quality. That doesn't make me notable. You have three widely spread out stories that collectively are just "light weight" or trivia articles. They do not make the person notable. If you don't agree, you can resubmit the article and see what someone else thinks. MarcGarver (talk) 09:39, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

@MarcGarver: Thanks again for Your patient response. I hope You are not offended, and I emphasis again that my primary objective is to understand about Notability rather than creating the article. Hence, I made a sort of check-list starting from "worthy of notice" until "Biographies of living persons". Now I am left with only one question: What does significant coverage mean and what are considered trivial mention/trivia articles? I would appreciate if You can help me with this, with example or link (guidelines) if possible. Thanks --Stymyrat (talk) 11:38, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

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Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia. FireflyBot (talk) 05:06, 17 August 2023 (UTC)