User talk:Rockero/Archive05

April 2006

Los 13 de East L.A.

Dear Rockero: Hey! Im happy you liked the article on Los 13. Orale pues, use it on the new article about the blowouts. That informartion is vital there.

So have you been to the protests? We plan to go on April 10 here, with our Puerto Rican flag and a sign proclaiming Latinos Unidos|We Are Not Puppets. To back our Hispanic brothers and sisters and show people that they can't use us the way they want.

Thanks and God bless you! Your hermano en raza, Antonio Latinos Geant Martin

Hola

Hi Rockero. Thanks for your edits to my user page. I visited your user page. Nice stuff. Let me say you that the image of Our Lady of Guadalupe is beautiful. Best, Mxcatania 13:03, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Maria Sabina

Thanks for your edits, yes, add whatever else fits. I see her as a very remarkable, though little-known, figure. Haiduc 03:13, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Raton Macias

Hey Rockero! Thanks for asking me about Raul the Mice Macias! Indeed I will write about him tomorrow. I just did Matchbox Sky Busters today which took me about 2 hours to finish..LOL. Raton Macias was a great fighter, he is of Cuban parents but born in Mexico City and proud of being Mexican. So he's a Cuban-Mexican if you will. He was born in the same barrio as Ruben Olivares. he became WBA world champion but not universally recognized world champion which is hard to explain but nothing in boxing is easy to explain..lol after retiring he made a career out of acting, even on telenovelas. He now trains boxers. I will write his bio tomorrow.

Thanks Rocke, and God bless you! Your friend, Antonio Tambolilero Martin

Yo Rockero, check out my work:Raul Macias, I hope you like it! Thanks and God bless you! Your friend, Antonio El Cangri Martin

Wikimeetup Santa Barbara

Hi Rockero! We're having an impromptu Wikimeetup next Saturday (April 8) -- Angela will be in town for a conference, left a note on my talk page, also starting a page for the meetup (Wikipedia:Meetup/Santa Barbara) Btw I've been impressed with your work for a while now; you're providing some much-needed material for a previously under-covered area. Cheers! Antandrus (talk) 16:16, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Good ideas! I'll put the question to Angela. We have a few days to figure it out still. Btw I left a note at the Wikiproject Southern California in case any of the LA-area people might be willing to come up. Antandrus (talk) 01:35, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Template

hey chk out new tmpl8? {{Chicano Language}} language infobox}} Joaquin Murietta 19:03, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

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Thanks for your compliments and comments about the Aztec article

Your answers helped quite a bit especially since the person I've been talking to most (Nanahuatzin) seems to be offline the last couple of days.

Richard 18:21, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Welcoming

Thanks for the welcoming. I look forward to contributing all I can to Wikipedia --P.O.N.Y. 23:59, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

hobby

Hey, thanks! Appreciate it. Btw, love that "your hobby is hard work" quote; I can relate. Cheers! Antandrus (talk) 01:38, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Protests

Hey Rockero: Just curious. Have you participated in the immigrant protests yet? I plan on doing so on Monday, Im going to draw the Mexican flag adjoined on the red area by the Puerto Rican one and messages of Latinos Unidos and We are Not Puppets on the back.

What do you think?

Dios te bendiga, hermano! Your wikifriend, Antonio Latino de Sangre Martin

Spanish vs. Spaniards

Hi Rockero,

Thanks for your comment about "Spaniards" vs. "Spanish". I've been thinking about that, too. It just hadn't bubbled up as being the most important thing to address in the Aztec and Spanish conquest of Mexico articles. Those articles provide a "target rich environment" even for the most aggressive copy editor.

The use of the word "Spaniard" seems to be coming from Nanahuatzin who is a Mexican of Aztec descent. His written English needs a lot of work but he is probably the most expert of all of us editors. For now, I've only been correcting his tendency to type "the Spaniard" when he means "the Spaniards".

I am going to copy your comment over to the Aztec talk page and continue the discussion over there.

In the future, feel free to put personal comments in my Talk page but please put content and format discussions on the Talk page of the appropriate article. We have a pretty good WP:HEC over there and stuff like this should be discussed among all the editors.

Richard

Cool.--Rockero 16:19, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

DYK

Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Arcady Boytler, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Chontal, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

The revolution etc

This is the line I removed: "... in a blatant case of censorship and sex discrimination."

That is POV.

Now, if the line had said, "... in what a court said was "a blatant case of censorship and sex discrimination.""

Then I would not have touched the article, because that is not POV, it is a statement of a quote.

Do you see the difference? Put the line back, but quote who said it please. The way it was before, it was as if Wikipedia was saying it, which we can't. --Golbez 02:01, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

It's no problem, and it was good to ask me what was up. :) But yeah, we really need a citation there. I hope you can find one. --Golbez 02:05, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks for the welcome and the tips! Hope to "do good". Let me know. BrandUseRE 01:07, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Association

Estimado Rock man (hehe I couldn't resist!) I created the association's page. Here, Wikipedia:Association of Hispanic and Latin American writers, read it and see if you want to become a member.

Sadly I won't be able to go to the protests, but that's why I decided to go ahead with the asssociation today, so at least this way I can let everyone know I am proud of being Hispanic and hope for bigger things in the United States and we are UNIDOS. The only reason I'll have to miss is my niece and my mom both have dr's appointments at the time it will happen and we only have one family auto. Esta chingado, hombre!!

Thankks for your dsupport y Dios te bendiga!

Tu hermano en raza, Antonio Hignsanity Martin

Dear Rockero: Thanks for joining the association! It's an honor to have you among us. I could not attend the protests but I was smiling all along as I saw the protest on TV and Im very happy we are all finally making history by uniting to show the White world we exicts too and have our rights. On tv, I saw the Mexican flag more than anything else of course, and thats fine, but I also saw the Salvadorean, Peruvian, Argentine and Puerto Rican flags!! Isn't that wonderful?Once again, thanks and God bless you! Sincerely yours, Antonio Proud to be Hispanic Martin

Aztlan Entry

That hadn't occurred to me. I looked at it and saw what looked like fairly typical "Geekinese"--writing typical of many message boards inhabited solely by those for whom English is mother tongue but simply don't care to construct a coherent sentence.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Dogface (talk • contribs)

Deletion Rules

Please give a reason when you delete something, thx!—Preceding unsigned comment added by Darkstar1st (talk • contribs)

Corrientes Avenue

Good work! If you come across an Argentine related article that might have not been 'seen' by the WikiProject Argentina members, please add it to the Argentine notice board news. Thanks, and good wiking. Mariano(t/c) 05:31, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi again, I saw your msg at Mxcatania's page:

• 'Morocho' in that case means 'dark haired'.
• 'Punto de reunión de grandes concentraciones políticas' as gathering point of political concentrations (manifestations, celebrations, etc)
• 'acto de cierre de campaña' = 'political campaign closing'

About that last points (the gatherings), its more of the Obelisco article, and more than political, it could be anything, for instance, when we won the 1986 FIFA World Cup, or after any football achievement of any mayor club. (Sorry Mxcatania for overtaking you) See ya, Mariano(t/c) 07:01, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Mariano did it well. BTW, it was not actually me who edited the article, since I haven't had enough time for anything. Sorry, I'll start the article you assigned to me, later. Let me tell you that your edit of Avenida Corrientes was fantastic. Best, Mxcatania 13:34, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Protests

Hey Rockero! Whats up man? No, I wasn't aware of a march for Emiliano Zapata. What I am aware of is that this is a historic moment for all Hispanics, what with Chavez wanting to unite all of Latin America into one country, us here protesting for our rights and against racism, and the independence of Puerto Rico approaching, the entire thing is huge and God willing, He will help us to achieve our goals.

Its curious because in Puerto Rico most people were against it becoming a state but they were pro-colony to keep the US Dollar, but what happened was that Filiberto Ojeda Rios was shot by the FBI. Apparently he was left to die and now all those who were against statehood-pro colony are actually pushing for it to become an independent republic, because they are like "well, look at what happened to Ojeda, thats how much the gringos care about us!" WSo in 2009 the vote will come statehood or independency and right now the tables are acutally turning towards independency!

I want to congratulate you for attending Zapata's demonstration. I have met a lot of Hispanics who are sellouts and against the demonstrations. We are fighting for our rights, because like I tell some people in Puerto Rico I know that don't understand, me, my sister, my dad, mother and brother have to fight too even if we are "legally speaking at least, citizens" cause try to tell the minutemen we are citizens....they'd gladly shoot us even more happy cause they are like we dontneed more Hispanics to be citizens here! Not only that but come to the bottom of it all we are brothers and sisters in Raza and language, no matter what country you or your parents come from. And la raza Espanola is one of a lot of love, bravery and passion, my hermano.

Hopefully I can go to the next demonstration in Phoenix and I am looking forward to it. This is like the 60's and we need to get out of there, tell all that Hispanics rule this country and that we are here to work, not commit crimes. And we are making history.

I havent told any other Chicanos about the association yet. I want to concentrate on getting members from other countries, like El Salvador, Venezuela, Dominican Republic, Spain first, that way we can have a well balanced, structured way to expand our knowledge about our culture. But I will eventually let the other guys know.

Bueno carnal orale. More power to la Raza...God bless you! Your hermano in raza, Antonio Hispanic Power Martin

Adminship?

Every time your name pops up on my watchlist, which is often, I see you improving the encyclopedia. You've racked up a lot of edits in the six months that you've been editing here, including a range of categorization and template efforts. You've improved the content and neutrality of articles concerning Southern California and Hispanic topics, and have interacted with other editors in a collegial manner. You've helped start a new wikiproject. You have spotted and repaired vandalism on many articles. You've been recognized by others with barnstars. Altogether you've shown that you are a valuable and trustworthy editor. On account of all these factors, you ought to be an administrator. As you may know the "job" is regarded as largely janitorial, really just a few tools that make it easier to clean up messes. If you think you might be interested then read over Wikipedia:Administrators and if you're still interested then I'd be honored to nominate you. Cheers, -Will Beback 07:07, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi Roquero! Sorry to read you talk page (I keep an eye on the talkpage of the people I care about!). I agree with Will about you making a great Administrator, you already have a 6 month experience plus more than 2,000 articles edits (some people use these 2 parameters as a minimum). Please, leave me a [shameless] message in my page if you decide to go for the nomination. Mariano(t/c) 07:40, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Terrific! Take a look at WP:RfA and see how they normally proceed. Here is a very long description: Wikipedia:Guide to requests for adminship.

Here are the three questions:

1. What sysop chores, if any, would you anticipate helping with? Please check out Category:Wikipedia backlog, and read the page about administrators and the administrators' reading list.
2. Of your articles or contributions to Wikipedia, are there any about which you are particularly pleased, and why?
3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or do you feel other users have caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?

You might start thinking about your answers. I've got to leave my computer - but I'll set the nomination up tonight. Thanks for saying "yes" to Wikipedia. -Will Beback 23:42, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

OK, the subpage is active now. Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Rockero. "Administrator nominees should move slowly in this process. There is no deadline, and no need to rush. It is better to get it right than to move too quickly and make errors." When you have time, please follow the instructions here: Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/nominate#What to do if you are nominated by someone else:. Make sure the time and date of the nomination closing are corrected to seven days from when you accept and post the page.

As nominator I'll tend the page, update the vote count as needed, and move lengthy discussions to the talk page. There is advice available on the previously linked pages. I'd add my own: don't worry about it. Explain your actions if they are questioned and you feel the need, but don't be defensive. You are a valuable editor no matter what happens, but I expect it should proceed successfully. Cheers, -Will Beback 07:02, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

{{PRIndependence}}

I finally got around to cleaning up the template. I made major changes I hope they are to your liking. Joelito 01:01, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Nice!--Rockero 01:06, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Your RfA

I've added some questions to your RfA. When you have a minute, I'd appreciate if you would take a look at them. Thanks. JoshuaZ 02:26, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

And I've added two more questions. Thanks. JoshuaZ 14:16, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

I've also added questions. Sorry I can't support you right away old chap, but there are lingering concerns regarding your opinion on policies like WP:MN and WP:AF. Cheerio, Oge Naws 21:48, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Association of Hispanic and Latin American writers

Yo rockero! I put a request for you on the page. Now you can do the same with me...lol.

Thanks and God bless you! Your friend, Anmtonio The Maniac on the Floor Martin

RfA question

Regarding your answer to Question JoshuaZ-4: Can you define "gross violation"? Also, would you do it to a first-time offender with no block history? I'm also concerned that you say "much more [reading is] to be done", yet you accepted your RfA...shouldn't admins already be experts at Wikipedia? —BorgHunter ^ubx (talk) 12:25, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

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reverted an edit of yours

Can you explain this edit?--Urthogie 06:54, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Certainly. Category:Austrian rappers was placed in Category:Australian hip hop musicians. Austrians are not the same as Australians. Perhaps you didn't notice the "al"? Or is there something I'm missing?--Rockero 07:07, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

My mistake, sorry (it was the "al"). I'll put it in category:Austrian hip hop musicians. Keep doing what you're doing, youve got a good eye-- sorry for that mistake. Peace, --Urthogie 08:09, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Pachuca

Hi Rockero. I saw you're up for administrator -- anything I can do to lend support? You're much more adept at this than I could be, but a user set up a page called Pachuca fashion, and there's good content there, but I don't think it's anything that can't be covered in the general Pachuco page. Thing is, however, that that author evidently got sort of upset when that suggestion was last made (see the talk pages on Pachuco and Pachuca (city). I think that it can all be resolved if (a) the Parchuca fashion article were merged with the Pachuco page, with a separate disamibuation page for the term "Pachuca" directing readers to either Pachuca (city) or Parchuca (female zoot suiter) @ Pachuco. What are your thoughts on it, if any? Murcielago 20:37, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

I agree with the Bat. The Pachuca fashion article is good, but has really nothing to do with the city. Czolgolz 18:55, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

You are now an admin

Congratulations! I am informing you that, consensus being reached, you are now an administrator. Take this time to read relevant policies and other pages linked to from the administrators' reading list before carrying out tasks such as deletion, blocking, and editing protected pages such as the Main Page. Most of what you do is easily reversible by other admins, apart from page history merges and image deletion, so please be especially careful with those. You might find this guide helpful. Welcome! Linuxbeak (drop me a line) 01:46, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Congrats, you deserve it. Joelito 02:20, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Congrats dude.--Jersey Devil 04:14, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Congraulations. I know you'll use your new tools wisely. Cheers, -Will Beback 04:20, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Congrats! You deserve this and you JUST made it! Enjoy! --Siva1979^{Talk to me} 13:46, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations from the land of winter. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 23:22, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations! I was a bit worried there that you may not reach consensus because of a few "lame" reasons for oppose votes, but you got through in the end. :-) DarthVader 23:26, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Let me add my congratulations. … Now don't you have some work to do? Bucketsofg 23:47, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Chiming in, Congratulations : ) --MPerel ^{( talk | contrib)} 23:57, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Te aventastes, rockero! Joaquin Murietta 01:11, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

No hay problema. Continua tu buen trabajo y muchas felicidades. Titoxd^{(?!? - help us)} 01:12, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

I knew you could do it. Congrats! (^'-')^ Covington 03:13, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Wow! Congradulations. I was so worried about your nomination from the last time that I looked at it. I was going to do a little more lobbying for your nomination, but real life intruded. I was very disappointed in some of the oppose votes, and the reasons behind them. I am very glad that your nomination still passed. ^BlankVerse 05:59, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Congatulaciones! Mariano(t/c) 11:45, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Ótimo! Continue seu bom trabalho, parabéns! —Lesfer ^(talk/@) 14:45, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Best wish for your adminship.--Jusjih 14:55, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Chingón y con safos. Cograts. Murcielago 15:43, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Man, I'm Mad At You

Why didn't you tell me that you were up for adminship? Anyway, I'm really happy that you made it because you are truly a great Wikipedian and person. So, from the bottom of my heart "Congratulations". (Next time I'm not going to let you slide! (smile). Bienvenido al Club. Tony the Marine 04:37, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

• Thank you for the kind words, you know that I consider you one of my best friends here. If you ever need me for advice or anything, please do not hesitate to ask. Tony the Marine 04:57, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Adminship

I, Tony the Marine, present to you, my friend Rockero with your adminship. Pilot her well!

(P.S. You may place it in your user page if you wish.)

Los Hermanos

Rockero, I decided to tackle the Penitente article. My first draft is up, but it could use your input. Murcielago 16:37, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

• Thanks a lot for the review of it. I don't know that "order" is proper since I think an order needs some sort of confirmation from an authority, I called them a sect -- they're often referred to as a cult, but I think they're more a sect. The Catholic encyclopaedia link that Kshanks links is somewhat comprehensive, but was written in 1917, during the suppression and a little biased. A more apologist site is http://sangres.com/history/penitente01.htm. The most even-handed, comprehensive internet article I've found is at http://writing.lantenengo.com/009.php , but it gives no sources. There are a few photos out there which would be good for the article (of moradas, mostly)-- Charles Lummis had a good pic of a procession, which would have been great. A google of his name, though, reveals only his photo of a Crucifixion, which I think enforces the "barbarous" image rather than the fact that they were filling a spiritual void for the people. Re: Fray Angelico, he should probably be mentioned, along with other authors who have mentioned them, including Frank Waters ("People of the Valley") and Willa Cather ("Death Comes for the Archbishop), and Charles F. Lummis ("The Land of Poco Tiempo"). In fact, Chavez wrote a whole book called "My Penitente Land" which is a reflection on the spirituality of the Northern New Mexican People. I've read it and it's pretty good, although in Chavez fashion, he is light on primary sources, and long on his own musings. In the book, though, he questions the assertion that the Penitentes were descended lineally from the Spanish/Italian flagellants (as the Padre Martinez page asserts). Anyway, thanks again. Paz Murcielago 18:53, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

• • I thought of "confraternity." It's a good word, and I agree with you about the negative connotation of "sect." The definitions of confraternity seem to fit the bill, and I can't imagine anyone would take umbrage with it. Hasta. Murcielago 15:41, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Padre Martinez

Thank you for your help, you've been doing this a lot longer than me so I'll take your lead, change whatever is necessary, especially the article title. I plan to write some more articles about famous native New Mexicans and appreciate the guidance. If you have any good tips or shortcuts they'd be greatly appreciated. Kevin 02:09, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Pachuca

Rockero, thank you for your advice. A person who was patrolling Pachuca put my article under Pachuco a while back - maybe March? The reason why I decided to make another site is because I was going to do an extreme edit / addition. I plan to stretch all the information that I have on Pachucas out because there is so little information - especially if you don't know where to look. I am about to embark on that change - maybe making it the size of the Pachuco article.

I think I like the idea of it being separate. For example, the Chicano page is also brought up when you look for Chicana. However, there is close to no information on Chicanas. :( But if people at Pachuco don't mind a lengthy Pachuca article, then I think it's a great idea. I'm still a newb, so I'm pretty lost on how to make things work.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Sgarza (talk • contribs)

Otro Más

FYI, I just started Revolt of 1837 (New Mexico). Murcielago 16:38, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Yoko ochoco and Mesoamerican indigenous language pages

Thanks for the link to Wikipedia:WikiProject_Indigenous_peoples_of_North_America - I think the work I hope to do with the Mayan languages can be a part of that effort, and when I get some more time to work on it, I'll add myself to participants, etc.

One question I have (I'll try to post it on the wikiproject talk page later, but don't have time now) is the naming of these entries. There are typically two spellings of the language name, in the old and new orthography (e.g. Cakchiquel -> Kaqchikel); the latter are perhaps more correct, if prone to many glottal apostrophes and disagreements about long vowels (e.g. Quiché -> K'iche' or K'ichee') but they are generally unfamiliar to most general (i.e. non-linguistic, non-MesoAmerican specialist) readers.

(note - of course, whatever is decided, redirection pages from all the alternative spellings/names would be deployed)

For the corresponding entries on the Spanish Wikipedia I would be more tempted to use the new spellings (as most native speakers of these languages are literate in Spanish), but I'm not as confident this is the right way to go for English.

Yoko ochoco is perhaps an extreme version of this. Because the traditional name (Chontal) is not only radically different from the native name (Yoko ochoco) but is also ambiguous - as you point out, there are two (unrelated) "Chontal" languages in Mexico, so naming the page "Chontal language" is an undesirable option. But I'm not sure that naming it "Yoko ochoco" is the right choice either, as is is totally unfamiliar to the vast majority of readers--I myself had to read the page before I understood what it was referring to, and although not a linguist, and more familiar with Guatemalan Maya than Mexican, I still represent a far more expert reader than most who might use these pages.

In Mam, the Mayan language I'm most familiar with, the native name for the language is "Qyol" or "Qyool" (depending on how you write long vowels) or perhaps "Qyol Mam"; literally, "our speech" - I imagine that "Yoko ochoco" may be something similar. While these are clearly the correct names for entries in a Mam, or Yoko ochoco, Wikipedia, I don't necessarily think that they are the best choices for the English Wikipedia.

I would consider moving the "Yoko ochoco" page to "Chontal Maya language" to differentiate it from the other Chontal, but to still use the name that is most common in English-language references - what are your thoughts on this matter? @alex 16:59, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Pachuca

Thanks, Rockero!!! Sgarza 23:33, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Boycott.

I'm glad that i could help with the article. I also want it to be on the front page on Monday, which is why i suggested it. I think your idea is great since most of the infomation i put on the article is from CNN. I'm sorry about my mistakes. I'm still not a pro wikipedia editor. If you need anything else from me, just ask. dposse 21:10, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Let's try to make the Boycott article really good before Monday so when/if it is on the front page, it won't look crappy. not that i'm saying it's bad now.... dposse 00:25, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

i just found some nice infomation about the boycott which i think should be in the article, but i'm worried about putting it in the article because it might mess up your edits. [1] check it out. what do you think? dposse 00:42, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

It is a flyer created by the organizers of the boycott in California. i got it from this website: http://www.nohr4437.org/ . It has some good infomation on it, like what the protesters will be wearing and where the march will take place. I've downloaded the PDF. How do i convert it? dposse 01:41, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

i'm sorry, but i don't have photoshop. would something free like GIMP work? or maybe you or someone else can convert it then upload it. dposse 02:19, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

The CNN reference is messed up, and i have no idea how to fix it. dposse 02:36, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

The boycott article is really controversial and i'm really worried about it getting attacked by vandals. There is already a dumbass on its talkpage posting really unneeded comments. dposse 02:47, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

i added a picture of the flyer. i had to download a really crappy free trial of a program, but it was worth it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Boycottflyer.png dposse 03:11, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Re.: Glenn Spencer's American Patrol: Glenn Spencer:

No, I do not know him. I do know of him. He has been a guest on some talk shows, like Donahue. While I was "Out West", I've heard his name mentioned as if he was running for President, which led me to his website. He has repeatedly demonstrated how easy it is for a terrorist to bring a WMD into the U.S. unchallenged. Have you seen his website ? He is currently claiming that the boycott scheduled for May 1 is a declaration of WAR from Mexico to the US.Martial Law 23:46, 29 April 2006 (UTC) :)

Re.:Savage, Archives

On Michael Savage's radio show, Michael Savage calls all Mexican civil rights groups terrorists and worse. Also go to his website and check his recent postings and archives. As for Glenn Spencer, he has referenced La Raza, Mecha, Los Vos De Aztlan, AS destroying the US, and has a illustration of Aztlan on his website, behind these civil rights organizations, President Bush As Pinnochio with a LONG nose. He has even stated that Mexican Military units have encroached on US territory, have aided terrorists and smugglers. Its all archived on his site. Just go to the "Previous Day" and keep at it. That is the start of his archives. Martial Law 23:57, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Aztlan

This is what Glenn has recently posted on his site: Reconquista of Aztlan It is from some magazine article someone had sent to him. Martial Law 00:05, 30 April 2006 (UTC) :)

Here is some more about Aztlan:Conquest of Aztlan. Maybe this'll fit in the Aztlan article ? Martial Law 00:25, 30 April 2006 (UTC) :)

Got a bad link. Martial Law 00:29, 30 April 2006 (UTC) :)

Re:In the News

Don't you hate when those things happen? The person jumped the gun before you finished the article and followed procedure. I imagine that you let that person know what he did. I recommend that whenever you're working on an article, first post the Template:inuse, that way even if you save, others will be warned that you are still working on it. Finish your article and post it again following the established procedure and explain the situation in the articles talk page. I think that you won't have any problems. Tony the Marine 03:03, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

• Rockero, since your my friend I'm going to share this with you. Once in a while I also had the same problem with an article. Somebody would come and start editing it before I even had a chance to put my finishing touches. So, what I did was I created my own Sandbox. This way I could take as long as I wanted plus, I could organize my thoughts without outside interferrence. Once I'm finished then I start the official article and I only have to past it. To give you an example of what I mean go here: [2] and look for my Sandbox. Click on it and you can see what I'm working on right now. You can do the same. Tell me what you think of my idea. Tony the Marine 06:14, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Michael Savage

See the article Michael Savage itself. He has written some books, the most famous of which that state that "Libralisim" is a mental disease and I've seen stuff on Jeff Rense's website that indicate if you plan protests and the like( go to his website, check his archives as well), you'll end up in jail due to recent legislation and that from the Patriot Acts. Michael Savage hails out of California, mainly out of San Francisco (On a recent show of his, Michael Savage called this city "San FranPsycho" for some reason. His website is www.michaelsavage.com. Martial Law 19:06, 30 April 2006 (UTC) :)

Jeff Rense

Jeff Rense claims that if you want to see what others, especially the government will NOT tell you, its on his website, such as recent legislation criminalising protests, UFOs, aliens (The sort NOT from this Earth), stuff on the Prison Planet website, which is www.prisonplanet.com that depicts the New World Order, the real reasons our kids are on psychotic medications, FEMA's incompetence, Bigfoot, etc. that you'll not find anywhere else. Martial Law 19:06, 30 April 2006 (UTC) :)

Articles

Not "up to it" right now. Maybe later, have a headache the size of Bigfoot. Martial Law 19:54, 30 April 2006 (UTC) :)

Clues.

I only removed the guys racist remarks to try to keep the discussion page clean of spam and on topic. I was only trying to help, and they started to attack me. How the hell does that make me the bad guy? dposse 21:01, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

thank you. dposse 22:34, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Pedro Dimas

[3] AND Pedro Dimas -- thanks for listing it on your to do page. Do you have Tarascan roots? Let's talk. Joaquin Murietta 23:52, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

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