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Just to let you know, freethoughts.org isn't a reliable source, and shouldn't be used for referencing. thanks! HawkerTyphoon 21:52, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Please stop reverting

Your health section is poorly written for article Iran. Plus that, when you revert, the reverted edition of the article has a incomplete history section. Thanks you for your understanding. --Arad 00:36, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Venezuela

Please read WP:RS and WP:V: it's not clear that all of the information that you are adding is from reliable sources. For example, the HIV data is not properly sourced: it needs to come directly from the CIA Factbook. Also, please insert the correct ref tags, to preseve the referencing style used in the article. Thanks, Sandy 03:17, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

interesting comment in that the public health section is the most thoroughly referenced in the article. i have added CIA factbook as an additional source, which is consistent with all the other data cited. Phasechange 04:30, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for doing that. Yes, it is correct that the rest of the article is under-referenced, but guidelines for providing inline citations have tightened up since the older content was written. It's hard to get someone to go back and referenced old content: newer content should always be cited to reliable sources. Thanks, Sandy 12:50, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi, again. I don't disagree with your contributions to the Chavez article, but there is a problem with your placement: the health criticism doesn't rise to the level of warranting an entire sentence in the lead. The comments might be better accepted if you add them to the Criticism section instead. On the other hand, most of the Chavez editors find any reason they can to delete criticism, so your edits will need to be very well written, well sourced, and well placed. Good luck, Sandy 14:51, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Please review and comment on the talk page discussion Talk:Mission Barrio Adentro; it has been said that your content is not verified by the references you provide, in which case the content is not defensible. Sandy 17:18, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

I do try to keep a level head, and there is opposition on many fronts to any criticism of Chavez, so if your edits aren't backed by references, my defense of your edits makes me look goofy :-) Sandy 19:06, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Malnutrition

Hi,

I noticed you added overpopulation as a cause of malnutrition. I'm not sure there is a direct relationship. All cities and even some US states are net importers of food and therefore are "overpopulated" but malnutrition isn't rampant. Worldwide food production continues to outstrip population demand so malnutrtion is more directly related to inequalities in distribution. This is more directly related to poverty or the isolation of a population due to disaster, war, or lack of infrastructure.

The only historical case that I can find of overpopulation causing widespread malnutrition, famine, and societal collapse was Easter Island but even in that case tribal warfare was a factor. I'd like more concrete examples before it's included.

Mh7854 17:45, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

i have supplied a reference. note also that overpopulation isnt the only cause of malnutrition, furthermore some individual states such as Arizona are considered overpopulated, because their carrying capacity has been exceeded (eg with respect to water). there are many worldwide examples where overpopulation is a contributory cause of malnutrition. Madagascar for example has exceeded its carrying capacity with respect to growing its own food. much of the country has been ruined irreversibly by deforestation and desertification in the desperate attempt of native peoples to farm low nutrient lands. Phasechange 15:21, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! I searched "The Little Green Handbook" and the only reference I could find to overpopulation was on page 38. The book seems to argue that developed countries are the most "overpopulated" while developing countries are the least. I must be missing something because I'm not sure that supports your assertion.

Most of the references to malnutrition and overpopulation seem to use malnutrition as evidence of overpopulation. I can see that if you don't have enough food to feed your population, you're overpopulated! But, that seems circular. And, I'm not really sure that you can de-link food production and population especially in countries that practice subsistence agriculture (i.e. if you have half as many people to plant and harvest food, you're going to have less production)

Madagascar is an interesting example. From what I can dig up, Madagascar's per-capita agriculture production in 2001 was a 162 tons per person . There is a lot of food per-capita in Madagascar. It seems that a lot of the malnutrition is the lack of information rather than overpopulation

I guess what I'm really looking for is an example of artificially limiting population growth resulting in lower malnutrition rates.

Mh7854 20:37, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

hi and thanks for your continuing interest in this matter. it seems as though you are trying to see whether overpopulation is "the" cause for malnutrition. it is merely one of the causes. i think your argument that you termed circular is not circular at all, but right on the money. the fact that there is not enough food to feed a population is defacto evidence that overpopulation is a cause of malnutrition.

now as to madagascar. as far as the 162 tonnes of food per person in your reference, this source doesnt even have his data consistent. examine the total acreage and yields per hectare. i think he has lost a couple of decimal places in the per person calculation. most importantly (have you ever toured around madagascar?)anyone who has travelled around madagascar can see there isnt anywhere near that amount of food per person in the country. theres no question that lack of info is also a cause of malnutrition....but lack of food is a bigger cause there and elsewhere. as i have time i will try to find you further refs.

by the way, i dont think Nielsen has it all correct either. it is good that he recognizes many US states are overpopulated and this is not just a third world issue. regards Phasechange 04:05, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

I'd love to see some further references if you get the time. This was what I was able to find:

Indonesia's transmigration program reduced over population but actually increased malnutrition .

China's one child policy decreased malnutrition (but not population).

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